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[The_KFD_Case]

monika26 wrote...

YAY!!! Tali 2.0!!! I can't believe how successful the first the first thread was! Now to make 2.0 just as successful!

Let's build that home for Tali in ME3!

Hear, hear! Shepard and Tali deserve a happy ending together! <3

[The_KFD_Case]

Admittedly I have played many of BioWare's games and thus have become adept at predicting what sort of consequences one can expect from their dialogue options which does colour my views and decisions when playing their games. I may not get it right 100% of the time and I may be proven wrong on this occasion, yet I remain confident that the actions my Shepard carried out will allow for the possibility of a peaceful solution, if a Geth-Quarian solution is implemented in ME3 (it seems logical that it would be given the build up on the topic in ME2).

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 07 février 2010 - 11:04 .

[mothbanquet]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

monika26 wrote...

YAY!!! Tali 2.0!!! I can't believe how successful the first the first thread was! Now to make 2.0 just as successful!

Let's build that home for Tali in ME3!

Hear, hear! Shepard and Tali deserve a happy ending together! <3

i echo the sentiment!

[Rip504]

I have the Rachni I didn't kill her off,no I decided to keep her alive,No itchy triggers here. I'm not saying it is impossible for peace between the Geth and Quarians,but to say peace is more likely then war is absurd.Realisticly there's a 50/50 chance of either.

[Nastrod]

As much as I hate to say it I think the Quarians were more wrong of the two. They wanted cheap labor so they built the Geth. Instead though the Geth started to become self aware and did the Quarians try to make sure for peace or at least have talks? Nope, They just said Oh Crap hurry and destroy them all. You can not blame the Geth for defending themselves.


Just don't bring any hate Tali's way cause she was not even alive when it happened lol

Modifié par Nastrod, 07 février 2010 - 11:05 .

[The_KFD_Case]

Rip504 wrote...

I have the Rachni I didn't kill her off,no I decided to keep her alive,No itchy triggers here. I'm not saying it is impossible for peace between the Geth and Quarians,but to say peace is more likely then war is absurd.Realisticly there's a 50/50 chance of either.

I kept the Rachni queen alive as well, although I was far more uncertain about that choice than the one about getting involved with the Geth.

A 50/50 chance would only be realistic barring any relevant factors being in existence. Since that is not the case a 50/50 chance expectation seems misplaced.

[Aethelwulf1066]

Kami102 wrote...

NP; It's just that I cannot possibly see diplomatic relations coming out on the Quarian's side.
Knowing the Quarians, many of them will be thirsty for revenge on what the Geth did to them (Including Tali *wink wink*)

If the Quarians stand a chance against the geth, it has to be the whole fleet, sending any less will result in a disaster and not to mention a waste of many lives in an already crippled state that they're [the quarians] are in.

I truely am a quarian sympathizer -- and I know the most noble thing to do is seek diplomatic relations with them.
I personally, just don't trust them. Sure, the geth a split between the true and the heretics, but they are still machines. What's to stop a heretic geth from hacking into the "true" geth, turning them into more heretics, resulting in another war between the quarians?

The Geth are just "there". They really provide no essential task for other species in the universe. You don't see them helping anyone or anything. So there really would be no consequences in wiping out the geth entirely.

True. But perhaps the Quarians can be convinced that a peaceful resolution would be the way to go. In their current state, they only see what happened as an unprovoked attack on their people (There are a few who disagree, like Mr. Quib Quib.). It would be possible for an "ambassador" of the Geth (I.e. Legion) to offer their own perspective on what happened so long ago, and maybe an agreement could be made.

That doesn't mean the Quarians would let their guard down, and they shouldn't. The Geth are still relatively unknown to us, and their motives may be something wildly different than what Legion would have you believe.

But Kal'Reeger (If I remember correctly, he's the one who states this.) has said that any kind of stand up military engagement is far to risky. This is because their ships are invaluable, and losing even one is a major blow to the migrant fleet. Combine that with the higher risk of death from injury because of their suits/immune systems, they will likely take severe losses, something they can't afford, especially if the chances of victory are 50/50 at best.

Mind you, i'm not taking into account the research Tali's father was doing on hacking the Geth, but that solution may be years away still.

I would say the best peaceful solution would be for the Geth to yield the space (Perhaps even the whole system.) surrounding the Quarian homeworld. This wouldn't be too difficult in my opinion, because they live mostly in space stations anyways. There are plenty of systems they could migrate to, and if they want to be left alone, that would be even better for them. This agreement would ensure that the Geth are not in Quarian space, and thus, not a threat always looming on their doorstep. The existing Geth spacestations could be reconfigured and modified by the Quarians to act as defensive structures as well. The Geth would also be allowed an embassy perhaps.

Regarding your last statement, I personally don't see a problem with the Geth being reclusive. If they're not bothering anyone, then they're not causing any harm. Sure, they don't help anyone, but they're also not hurting anyone. They just want to be left alone, and I don't see much harm in that. And true, there would be no major impact on galactic society/politics if the Geth were wiped out, but it would impact the Quarians. I think it would hurt them more if they went to war, than they would if they "swallowed their pride" and made nice with the robots. It could quite possibly put the Quarians on the brink of extinction.

There's what, 17 million Quarians, plus a few on pilgrimage total? That's a relatively small number in the grand scheme of things. Imagine the casualties they could suffer in a war with the Geth? Even if the Admirals raised the ban on the number of children allowed, birthing takes time, and it still takes years for the children to grow to full adults. It would be devastating on the Quarians as a race, not to mention it would leave far fewer Quarians left to help rebuild their homeworld (And guard it, I might add.). And with the Reapers on the horizon, would it really be wise to start a war with the Geth?

[mothbanquet]

The_KFD_Case wrote...


Admittedly I have played many of BioWare's games and thus have become adept at predicting what sort of consequences one can expect from their dialogue options which does colour my views and decisions when playing their games. I may not get it right 100% of the time and I may be proven wrong on this occasion, yet I remain confident that the actions my Shepard carried out will allow for the possibility of a peaceful solution, if a Geth-Quarian solution is implemented in ME3 (it seems logical that it would be given the build up on the topic in ME2).

In a way I hope it isn't as black and white as 'save Geth/save quarian/peace for all'.  no amount of silver tongued Paragonia could really mend so many years of bloodshed.  i mean, look at our planet.

I'd prefer that all choices had pros and cons and it's up to you and the way you feel about (i.e love) Tali that influences your decision. I'd relish the decision to possibly have to sacrifice my reliationship to have a better chance at fighting the reapers (like there is a choice)

[Aethelwulf1066]

mothbanquet wrote...

Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

mothbanquet wrote...

Has anyone here actually done another RI besides Tali yet??

Yeah. Tried Jack's, and was not impressed. Next to Ashley, she's the worst LI in the Mass Effect series (A personal opinion, mind you.). Her teen-angst-hot-topic attitude really killed me.

As for Miranda, I couldn't stand her either. Goose-stepping-**** fanatic-and-equal-parts-cold-businesswoman doesn't do it for me.

Meh. Keep coming back to this late. Damn you Bernard Cornwell, damn you!

Damn right he does. Just got done reading The Burning Land, and i'm halfway through Excalibur. My favorite author. Now...if we could just get him to write some Mass Effect books...

Cornwell rules!

Whoops, got that inside the quotes.

Modifié par Aethelwulf1066, 07 février 2010 - 11:11 .

[The_KFD_Case]

Nastrod wrote...

As much as I hate to say it I think the Quarians were more wrong of the two. They wanted cheap labor so they built the Geth. Instead though the Geth started to become self aware and did the Quarians try to make sure for peace or at least have talks? Nope, They just said Oh Crap hurry and destroy them all. You can not blame the Geth for defending themselves.


Just don't bring any hate Tali's way cause she was not even alive when it happened lol

I support the Quarians but do not wish to see the issue settled by war (which would likely hurt the Quarians far more than the Geth). Both sides have valid claims and reasons for what transpired, and I would probably have reacted similarly to the Quarians upon discovering robots becoming sentient in a manner they weren't designed to be. But I also think that the earliest recording Legion can play for Shepard displays a certain arrogant tone by the female Quarian towards the Geth. Literally as though they are annoying slave labour hardly worth a thought. Sure, they were just machines and thus it's easy to dismiss them as nothing more yet clearly the Geth had begun to progress beyond that. The Quarians did not have entirely clean hands either as you state.

Tali is cute and lovely as can be however, and I daydream about her!

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 07 février 2010 - 11:10 .

[Sleepicub09]

Rip504 wrote...

I have the Rachni I didn't kill her off,no I decided to keep her alive,No itchy triggers here. I'm not saying it is impossible for peace between the Geth and Quarians,but to say peace is more likely then war is absurd.Realisticly there's a 50/50 chance of either.

25% actually

experiment on geth:25%
make peace with geth:25%
Colonize a new world:25%
War:25%

[Rip504]

We are talking either they are going to war or settleing for peace.How would your math chop that 1 up?Yes they could end up not doing either,but thats not what we are talking about.War or peace so what are the odds IYO let me guess 110for peace 0 for war?



I called him/her out on the armstrong "True Geth" what he/she do lol exactly what I expected evaded the ?,because it threatens your limited pov.

[mothbanquet]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I have the Rachni I didn't kill her off,no I decided to keep her alive,No itchy triggers here. I'm not saying it is impossible for peace between the Geth and Quarians,but to say peace is more likely then war is absurd.Realisticly there's a 50/50 chance of either.

25% actually

experiment on geth:25%
make peace with geth:25%
Colonize a new world:25%
War:25%

i think he means that in the end there is only war or peace.  experimentation and colonization are only means to those ends.

[Rip504]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I have the Rachni I didn't kill her off,no I decided to keep her alive,No itchy triggers here. I'm not saying it is impossible for peace between the Geth and Quarians,but to say peace is more likely then war is absurd.Realisticly there's a 50/50 chance of either.

25% actually

experiment on geth:25%
make peace with geth:25%
Colonize a new world:25%
War:25%

I understand this,but we are talking about war and peace none of the others.

[Kami102]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Possibly, and yet with a high enough persuasion ability Shepard is able to persuade both Tali and Legion that each side has good reasons for their points of view. Tali then extends an olive branch by freely offering non-sensitive information about the Flotilla to Legion which is sent back to the main Geth consciousness (which Tali gives her accept of). It holds promise of a possible peace agreement between the two factions, especially since there are Quarians who favour a peaceful solution with the Geth (one of them is a high ranking admiral). Will it be easy? Probably not, "Nothing worthwhile ever comes easy" says Cmdr. Shepard.


Don't get me wrong: I was distrustful of Legion and its claims about the Geth at first. I'm aware that it may be lies though I doubt it. I very much want the Quarians to reclaim their homeworld, and failing that at least finally find a new planet hospitable to them which they can begin anew on. It's been a long time coming - way too long, IMO - and it's time for that people to find some good fortune as a collective people and not be treated as thieves left, right and center by the rest of the galactic community. I sympathize deeply with the Quarians and if it were my decision I would have offered them a homeworld long ago and offered to patrol it with Alliance military until the Quarians could pick up the slack for themselves. Alas, it is not my call and perhaps it is for the best because once the Quarians do settle on a homeworld - old or new - it will be their homeworld, establised by their hands at their own initiative and they will be beholden to no one for it (except maybe for a famous human spectre by the name of Shepard if I have my way and the hopefully good graces of the Geth).

There will be a consequence to wiping out the Geth. Possibly at least two: 1) Wiping out the Geth will require enormous resources and the loss of much life. The Quarians do not have either in abundance. 2) The Geth may make for a potent ally against the Reapers and frankly the galaxy can use all the help it can get in fighting the Reapers.

After 3 playthroughs, I always make sure I have enough Paragon/Renegade for the conflict with Tali/Legion. It really does make you feel a sense of accomplishment watching two bitter enemies share a personal moment together (d'awww Tali ).

The heart of the issue is definitely the Quarian's homeworld.
People always tell them to "colonize a different homeworld". True this option is viable in most cases, saves time and ignores an inevitable conflict with the Geth, but, to me it just doesn't seem fair for the Quarians as a whole. They already suffered way too much, and now the Geth have the only thing left that is sacred to the Quarian culture. Obviously this conflict spurs the fire of the entire situation, and I will say that I agree with the Quarian side.

To me, I would say that It'd make sense for the Geth to leave the homeworld and go someplace else, rather than the Quarians. The Geth have no reason, whatsoever, to stay there. They don't breathe, they don't eat, they don't need it at all. They are shown in ME2 to be capable of building massive ships that thousands, if not millions, of geth can live in. Why not just have all the Geth that're on the homeworld move into one of the ships?

Something like that would definitely work out in my eyes, so that it avoids a bloody confrontation on both sides.

Shepard needs to build that house for Tali, dammit

[Sleepicub09]

Rip504 wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I have the Rachni I didn't kill her off,no I decided to keep her alive,No itchy triggers here. I'm not saying it is impossible for peace between the Geth and Quarians,but to say peace is more likely then war is absurd.Realisticly there's a 50/50 chance of either.

25% actually

experiment on geth:25%
make peace with geth:25%
Colonize a new world:25%
War:25%

I understand this,but we are talking about war and peace none of the others.

tbh I don't think neither will work

[Rip504]

Read what I write I was comparing War to Peace.Keep trying to correct me on little things that don't matter and yes keep failing.

[mothbanquet]

Okay, here's the question that will either get me banned or committed:



My missus is roughly the same dimensions as our favourite lass. Am I going insane by visualising a helmet over her face?!!

[Caduceus1981]

Just posting to support Tali for ME3. I haven't romanced her yet (played as a FemShep), but I already liked her as a team mate in ME1.



Actually I would be really disappointed if any of the LI's wouldn't return in ME3.

[The_KFD_Case]

Rip504 wrote...

If you use unnessary force while in the act of self defense and kill someone in America you go to jail for murder.The Geth feel no compassion so when they had the Quarians beat they didn't let up,you can't tell me the war was at a stalemate and the Quarians decided to fly off.common sense would say they were losing and the Geth weren't letting up.

AND in ME1 the Geth invade human space.-Armstrong-Tali clearly states she needs to find Geth that are NOT under Saren's control and find out about how the Geth have evoled in the last 300 years(For her side quest in ME1).Explain that as a non hostile move.Those were as you say True Geth not Heritics.

1) The Quarian homeworld is not America.
2) In America self-defence is not considered murder. The worst you would likely be charged with is unintenional manslaughter carrying a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. Quite possibly you might walk away free.
3) Again, logic. If you are winning a war against someone that threatened to wipe you out why stop? Logic would indicate that you are winning and that to let up gives the enemy a chance to recuperate. The Geth collective consciousness appears to have evolved since that time some 327 years ago, thus granting it new perspective on what happened. Hence the likely reason it now considers some of its actions back during the "Dawn War" excessive. Live and learn.
4) Indeed the war was not at a stalemate. The Quarians bolted and packed up as many useful things as they could from their colony worlds before legging it out in to open space. The Geth didn't pursue once the Quarians were far enough away. This is also logical since the threat is no longer imminent.
5) Heretics invaded human space. No one, not even Tali, knew that there was a difference between the Geth and the Heretics at the time (at least not that we know of).

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 07 février 2010 - 11:18 .

[Sleepicub09]

Rip504 wrote...

Read what I write I was comparing War to Peace.Keep trying to correct me on little things that don't matter and yes keep failing.

are u talking to me

[Aethelwulf1066]

Rip504 wrote...

We are talking either they are going to war or settleing for peace.How would your math chop that 1 up?Yes they could end up not doing either,but thats not what we are talking about.War or peace so what are the odds IYO let me guess 110for peace 0 for war?

I called him/her out on the armstrong "True Geth" what he/she do lol exactly what I expected evaded the ?,because it threatens your limited pov.

The chances are (Maybe) dependant on whatever decisions and comments you made in Mass Effect 2. During Tali's loyalty mission, you get a chance to show your support for one of three decisions: War, peace, resettlement of the Quarian people. That and how you handled the confrontation between Tali and Legion.

[mothbanquet]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Read what I write I was comparing War to Peace.Keep trying to correct me on little things that don't matter and yes keep failing.

are u talking to me

oh no he di'int......

[Sleepicub09]

mothbanquet wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Read what I write I was comparing War to Peace.Keep trying to correct me on little things that don't matter and yes keep failing.

are u talking to me

oh no he di'int......

what are you talking about he didn't say who he was talking to so I'm confused

[The_KFD_Case]

[quote]Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

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True. But perhaps the Quarians can be convinced that a peaceful resolution would be the way to go. In their current state, they only see what happened as an unprovoked attack on their people (There are a few who disagree, like Mr. Quib Quib.). It would be possible for an "ambassador" of the Geth (I.e. Legion) to offer their own perspective on what happened so long ago, and maybe an agreement could be made.

That doesn't mean the Quarians would let their guard down, and they shouldn't. The Geth are still relatively unknown to us, and their motives may be something wildly different than what Legion would have you believe.

But Kal'Reeger (If I remember correctly, he's the one who states this.) has said that any kind of stand up military engagement is far to risky. This is because their ships are invaluable, and losing even one is a major blow to the migrant fleet. Combine that with the higher risk of death from injury because of their suits/immune systems, they will likely take severe losses, something they can't afford, especially if the chances of victory are 50/50 at best.

Mind you, i'm not taking into account the research Tali's father was doing on hacking the Geth, but that solution may be years away still.

I would say the best peaceful solution would be for the Geth to yield the space (Perhaps even the whole system.) surrounding the Quarian homeworld. This wouldn't be too difficult in my opinion, because they live mostly in space stations anyways. There are plenty of systems they could migrate to, and if they want to be left alone, that would be even better for them. This agreement would ensure that the Geth are not in Quarian space, and thus, not a threat always looming on their doorstep. The existing Geth spacestations could be reconfigured and modified by the Quarians to act as defensive structures as well. The Geth would also be allowed an embassy perhaps.

Regarding your last statement, I personally don't see a problem with the Geth being reclusive. If they're not bothering anyone, then they're not causing any harm. Sure, they don't help anyone, but they're also not hurting anyone. They just want to be left alone, and I don't see much harm in that. And true, there would be no major impact on galactic society/politics if the Geth were wiped out, but it would impact the Quarians. I think it would hurt them more if they went to war, than they would if they "swallowed their pride" and made nice with the robots. It could quite possibly put the Quarians on the brink of extinction.

There's what, 17 million Quarians, plus a few on pilgrimage total? That's a relatively small number in the grand scheme of things. Imagine the casualties they could suffer in a war with the Geth? Even if the Admirals raised the ban on the number of children allowed, birthing takes time, and it still takes years for the children to grow to full adults. It would be devastating on the Quarians as a race, not to mention it would leave far fewer Quarians left to help rebuild their homeworld (And guard it, I might add.). And with the Reapers on the horizon, would it really be wise to start a war with the Geth?

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We are of the same opinion on this matter. One possible alternative for the Geth space stations might be to have the hauled to another system, if they don't already possess rudimentary propulsion systems.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 07 février 2010 - 11:22 .