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[Archonsg]

nitefyre410 wrote...

I don't know something is telling me  that there is something more to Reapers than what we know already. This cycle of the reapers wiping out all life has been happening for millions of the years   So when did the cycle start... what started the Cycle..Who  started the Cycle, what is a Reaper really?. Those ships that you see are just shells maybe another  race that had reach  their "Destiny".  More were  are they coming from, Citadel is a massive Mass Effect Rely... It has to connect somewhere another Galaxy perhaps. They are way too many unanswered  question to be charging headlong in to  Massive Space battle with Reapers... To many unanswered question that need answering.   

Or it could be a result of a very bad mistake on the race that created the reapers. To make it even more tragic, say an error in the original AI's coding. I am thinking of what the reapers keep saying, "We are your salvation through destruction." Which could have been simply that they were meant to originally be protectors but something made them decide to search for the "best" that organic life has to offer every galactic generation (give or take 50,000 years) and to test them to see if they are worth saving and by being "saved" by turning them into reapers.

In essense each Reaper is made from the race it destroyed and this in a sick way meant that this race lives on, only as a Reaper. To the reaper it has saved you eventhough you don't appreciate its efforts.

Or it could be something totally different, a bigger badder thing in the universe that they are meant to fight and whatever you are doing now just doesn't gel with them. Only that that bigger badder thing is almost upon this galaxy which is why they woke up and started to move.

Personally I prefer the first option as it's more logical. If that made sense.

Modifié par Archonsg, 17 février 2010 - 02:25 .

[Haventh]

I seriously feel bad for some of you peoples children in the future. Leaving them with a psycho and a rager..

[Madecologist]

Alright, a real hard question for all of you fellow Tali Lovers

What if the TIM says he has a way to make sure Tali can live without a suit and not get sick. The process will definately work, no risk involved "Shepard we brought you back from the dead... adapting a Quarian is child's play compared to that" Just like how he did not put a control chip in you, he gives you his word he will not cause any modification on Tali except for giving her the ability to live without the suit (ie bolstered normal immune system). The price, you join Cerberus and listen to his advice.

Do you accept his offer? No easy answer of "What Tali wants!" That is the easy answer. So to raise the ante.. she has an infection and has a 50/50 chance of making it through. Decide.

Modifié par Madecologist, 17 février 2010 - 02:19 .

[The_KFD_Case]

setutur wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

Hmm...I was thinking about writing some more...maybe something like "who will babysite shepard and tali's child?".
....Jack? ...Better not thinking about it.
....Legion? Tali would never allow it.
....
....
Morinth?...I am jocking. No need to say that I am insane.

Not to dash any dreams but, I love this girl as much as the next Tali fan but:

1) ME does not abide to the Trek rule of if it breaths it can interbreed. Even races that share chirality can not.

2) Chirality, even if for some odd reason Quarians and humans were similiar genetically to allow it (not likely because of appearence, and see point 1), our DNA would not react well. Because of Chirality. In short their entire amino acid structure is "the other way around". The only foods the two races can share are simple sugars, anything more complex than startch (or that contains any amino acids) will cause allergic reactions to not the intended function.

Actually there is a joke in Eternity about that, how a human was trying to convince a Quarian to go natural because there was no risk.

I will give Bioware credit for that, first time I learn of Biochemical Chirality in my Biochem class 101.. I wonder if I will ever see it in a sci-fi story or game... and viola.. Bioware did it.

I know it'snot possible scientificaly for a shep/tali kid, but it's kinda funny to consider the chracters after the game. I mean regardless of where the kid came from shep+any li or adoption based on shep's group of squadmates the kids gonna grow up a lil messed up (assuming an ending of the game with a kiddy shep)

Couldn't ask for a better group of people to watch your back though.

[The_KFD_Case]

Archonsg wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

I don't know something is telling me  that there is something more to Reapers than what we know already. This cycle of the reapers wiping out all life has been happening for millions of the years   So when did the cycle start... what started the Cycle..Who  started the Cycle, what is a Reaper really?. Those ships that you see are just shells maybe another  race that had reach  their "Destiny".  More were  are they coming from, Citadel is a massive Mass Effect Rely... It has to connect somewhere another Galaxy perhaps. They are way too many unanswered  question to be charging headlong in to  Massive Space battle with Reapers... To many unanswered question that need answering.   

Or it could be a result of a very bad mistake on the race that created the reapers. To make it even more tragic, say an error in the original AI's coding. I am thinking of what the reapers keep saying, "We are your salvation through destruction." Which could have been simply that they we meant to originally be protectors but something made them decide to search for the "best" that organic life has to offer every galactic generation (give or take 50,000 years) and to test them to see if they are worth saving and by being "saved" by turning them into reapers.

In essense each Reaper is made from the race it destroyed and this in a sick way meant that this race lives on, only as a Reaper. To the reaper it has saved you eventhough you don't appreciate its efforts.

Or it could be something totally different, a bigger badder thing in the universe that they are meant to fight and whatever you are doing now just doesn't gel with them. Only that that bigger badder thing is almost upon this galaxy which is why they woke up and started to move.

Personally I prefer the first option as it's more logical. If that made sense.

Again we share similar thoughts on a topic matter. Mind meld anyone?

[Vaenier]

Madecologist wrote...

Alright, a real hard question for all of you fellow Tali Lovers

What if the TIM says he has a way to make sure Tali can live without a suit and not get sick. The process will definately work, no risk involved "Shepard we brought you back from the dead... adapting a Quarian is child's play compared to that" Just like how he did not put a control chip in you, he gives you his word he will not cause any modification on Tali except for giving her the ability to live without the suit (ie bolstered normal immune system). The price, you join Cerberus and listen to his advice.

Do you accept his offer? No easy answer of "What Tali wants!" That is the easy answer. So to raise the ante.. she has an infection and has a 50/50 chance of making it through. Decide.

If I listen to his advice, do I have to use it? Because I wouldnt mind the free intel if I could decide what to do with it.

[Haventh]

Madecologist wrote...

Alright, a real hard question for all of you fellow Tali Lovers

What if the TIM says he has a way to make sure Tali can live without a suit and not get sick. The process will definately work, no risk involved "Shepard we brought you back from the dead... adapting a Quarian is child's play compared to that" Just like how he did not put a control chip in you, he gives you his word he will not cause any modification on Tali except for giving her the ability to live without the suit (ie bolstered normal immune system). The price, you join Cerberus and listen to his advice.

Do you accept his offer? No easy answer of "What Tali wants!" That is the easy answer. So to raise the ante.. she has an infection and has a 50/50 chance of making it through. Decide.

No, absolutely not. TIM is not to be trusted, not by paragon or renegade. He is just that type that could betray anyone. My Shepard would manhunt TIM, would he even suggest it.

[setutur]

I'd accept and then turn my back on TIM first chance i get just like i did in my main playthrough take what you want don't give anything back except to Tali is my sheps motto

[Yazman]

We don't need TIM for that anyway... we've got plenty of options. Mordin for one

[The_KFD_Case]

Madecologist wrote...

Alright, a real hard question for all of you fellow Tali Lovers

What if the TIM says he has a way to make sure Tali can live without a suit and not get sick. The process will definately work, no risk involved "Shepard we brought you back from the dead... adapting a Quarian is child's play compared to that" Just like how he did not put a control chip in you, he gives you his word he will not cause any modification on Tali except for giving her the ability to live without the suit (ie bolstered normal immune system). The price, you join Cerberus and listen to his advice.

Do you accept his offer? No easy answer of "What Tali wants!" That is the easy answer. So to raise the ante.. she has an infection and has a 50/50 chance of making it through. Decide.

That is not my decision to make. It is one Tali'Zorah and I/Shepard would have to discuss and reach agreement on. Ultimately both sides retain the power to break the deal. Tali because it's her body. Me/Shepard because I/he has to give acceptance. It's somewhat similar to pregnancy: I think both parties ought to be involved in the decision, yet once the pregnancy is achieved it is ultimately the bearer of the child (i.e. Tali in regards to the above scenario) that may have the final word since she holds the physically real-term "goods".

[valttu]

Madecologist wrote...

Alright, a real hard question for all of you fellow Tali Lovers

What if the TIM says he has a way to make sure Tali can live without a suit and not get sick. The process will definately work, no risk involved "Shepard we brought you back from the dead... adapting a Quarian is child's play compared to that" Just like how he did not put a control chip in you, he gives you his word he will not cause any modification on Tali except for giving her the ability to live without the suit (ie bolstered normal immune system). The price, you join Cerberus and listen to his advice.

Do you accept his offer? No easy answer of "What Tali wants!" That is the easy answer. So to raise the ante.. she has an infection and has a 50/50 chance of making it through. Decide.

Damn, this is a good one!!

Hmm, if TIM asked me this question AFTER the Reapers had been defeated, yes, I'd join Cerberus.

If he asked this in the beginning of the game, I'm not sure...

I know! I would ask for Tali's opinion, and I would make my decision based on that.


I gotta go eat, fellas, be right back!

EDIT: oops didn't notice that part...

Modifié par valttu, 17 février 2010 - 02:40 .

[setutur]

It'd be a great DLC quest gathering the equipment Mordin needs i can just see it now awesome.

[Madecologist]

Mordin: Technique simple... *takes a breath* problem, lack of resource. If you accept, can make sure he keeps his word. *nods* Least I can do.

Modifié par Madecologist, 17 février 2010 - 02:26 .

[Haventh]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

Alright, a real hard question for all of you fellow Tali Lovers

What if the TIM says he has a way to make sure Tali can live without a suit and not get sick. The process will definately work, no risk involved "Shepard we brought you back from the dead... adapting a Quarian is child's play compared to that" Just like how he did not put a control chip in you, he gives you his word he will not cause any modification on Tali except for giving her the ability to live without the suit (ie bolstered normal immune system). The price, you join Cerberus and listen to his advice.

Do you accept his offer? No easy answer of "What Tali wants!" That is the easy answer. So to raise the ante.. she has an infection and has a 50/50 chance of making it through. Decide.

That is not my decision to make. It is one Tali'Zorah and I/Shepard would have to discuss and reach agreement on. Ultimately both sides retain the power to break the deal. Tali because it's her body. Me/Shepard because I/he has to give acceptance. It's somewhat similar to pregnancy: I think both parties ought to be involved in the decision, yet once the pregnancy is achieved it is ultimately the bearer of the child (i.e. Tali in regards to the above scenario) that may have the final word since she holds the physically real-term "goods".

I seriously doubt Tali would even consider it, it would be an instant "NO!". Quarians hate Cerberus, Tali hate Cerberus, she wouldn't trust TIM.

[Raniall]

Madecologist wrote...

Alright, a real hard question for all of you fellow Tali Lovers

What if the TIM says he has a way to make sure Tali can live without a suit and not get sick. The process will definately work, no risk involved "Shepard we brought you back from the dead... adapting a Quarian is child's play compared to that" Just like how he did not put a control chip in you, he gives you his word he will not cause any modification on Tali except for giving her the ability to live without the suit (ie bolstered normal immune system). The price, you join Cerberus and listen to his advice.

Do you accept his offer? No easy answer of "What Tali wants!" That is the easy answer. So to raise the ante.. she has an infection and has a 50/50 chance of making it through. Decide.

We have some of the most brilliant minds in the galaxy working with us. Miranda has access to Cerberus files (given that TIM hasen't cut her access since I told him to take a flying leap), so why can't we make this happen without him. If we could do it with one, hell, it might help to eventually get the quarians out of their enviro-suits.

To answer the question though, No. I don't trust TIM any further then I could throw him and it felt damn good to finally lay into him.

[RevanKun123]

Madecologist wrote...

RevanKun123 wrote...

Hmm...I was thinking about writing some more...maybe something like "who will babysite shepard and tali's child?".
....Jack? ...Better not thinking about it.
....Legion? Tali would never allow it.
....
....
Morinth?...I am jocking. No need to say that I am insane.

Not to dash any dreams but, I love this girl as much as the next Tali fan but:

1) ME does not abide to the Trek rule of if it breaths it can interbreed. Even races that share chirality can not.

2) Chirality, even if for some odd reason Quarians and humans were similiar genetically to allow it (not likely because of appearence, and see point 1), our DNA would not react well. Because of Chirality. In short their entire amino acid structure is "the other way around". The only foods the two races can share are simple sugars, anything more complex than startch (or that contains any amino acids) will cause allergic reactions to not the intended function.

Actually there is a joke in Eternity about that, how a human was trying to convince a Quarian to go natural because there was no risk.

I will give Bioware credit for that, first time I learn of Biochemical Chirality in my Biochem class 101.. I wonder if I will ever see it in a sci-fi story or game... and viola.. Bioware did it.

Ok ok I got it....No "Who will be babyssiting shepard and tali's child"...
"Murmured to herself" : maybe morinth was a good idea after all.

[Archonsg]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Again we share similar thoughts on a topic matter. Mind meld anyone?

You know what they say... Great minds and all that.

[setutur]

I bet TIM is truly frustrated if you destroy the reper/collector base i mean he spent so much building you and the normandy not only do you steal that you take his 2 best operatives and a boatload of the best scientist and merc's you can get your hands on + Tali and legion, if there was gonna be a breakthrough to cure quarian immune systems (well repair or improve them..) itd be on the normandy, but it TIM found away it'd make a good bargaining chip to get his project back.

[reteka]

I just back from school... LOL!!!!!! we reached the 1000 pages. great!!!

[The_KFD_Case]

Archonsg wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Again we share similar thoughts on a topic matter. Mind meld anyone?

You know what they say... Great minds and all that.

That too crossed my mind....Uncanny!

[Haventh]

setutur wrote...

I bet TIM is truly frustrated if you destroy the reper/collector base i mean he spent so much building you and the normandy not only do you steal that you take his 2 best operatives and a boatload of the best scientist and merc's you can get your hands on + Tali and legion, if there was gonna be a breakthrough to cure quarian immune systems (well repair or improve them..) itd be on the normandy, but it TIM found away it'd make a good bargaining chip to get his project back.

That idiot had it comming. Bringing Shepard back the way he was, if he was a paragon ,  and NOT expect Shepard to betray him?  I guess he is just the arrogan/ignorant type that thinks he can control anyone. 

Betraying TIM was one of the best parts in ME 2, very enjoyable. 

Modifié par Haventh, 17 février 2010 - 02:35 .

[sihill90]

setutur wrote...

I bet TIM is truly frustrated if you destroy the reper/collector base i mean he spent so much building you and the normandy not only do you steal that you take his 2 best operatives and a boatload of the best scientist and merc's you can get your hands on + Tali and legion, if there was gonna be a breakthrough to cure quarian immune systems (well repair or improve them..) itd be on the normandy, but it TIM found away it'd make a good bargaining chip to get his project back.

IMO there wouldn't be any bargain  my Shepard would "rain down in a godly ****ing firestorm upon him" and just steal the cure/tech to create the cure.

[setutur]

Haventh wrote...

setutur wrote...

I bet TIM is truly frustrated if you destroy the reper/collector base i mean he spent so much building you and the normandy not only do you steal that you take his 2 best operatives and a boatload of the best scientist and merc's you can get your hands on + Tali and legion, if there was gonna be a breakthrough to cure quarian immune systems (well repair or improve them..) itd be on the normandy, but it TIM found away it'd make a good bargaining chip to get his project back.

That idiot had it comming. Bringing Shepard back the way he was, if he was a paragon ,  and NOT expect Shepard to betray him?  I guess he is just the arrogan/ignorant type that things he can control anyone. 

Betraying TIM was one of the best parts in ME 2, very enjoyable. 

I dont see how any shepard could completely trust TIM my renegade didnt made it extremly enjoyable to stab him in the back at the last minute gotta love biowares writing though i was guessing how the ending would go kept expecting some cereberus betrayal right up to the last minute.

[Raniall]

setutur wrote...

I bet TIM is truly frustrated if you destroy the reper/collector base i mean he spent so much building you and the normandy not only do you steal that you take his 2 best operatives and a boatload of the best scientist and merc's you can get your hands on + Tali and legion, if there was gonna be a breakthrough to cure quarian immune systems (well repair or improve them..) itd be on the normandy, but it TIM found away it'd make a good bargaining chip to get his project back.

Of course he's frustrated. I know I wouldn't be thrilled if I watched 4 billion+ dollars fly off into space after telling me to screw off. Not that I'm taking his side at all. As I said, the most enjoyable part of the game was telling TIM to take a hike, AND I'm taking his ship. It was almost as gratifying as cutting off the Council when they would question what I was doing...almost.

[Madecologist]

I can see it, Tali would definately say no. Mordin probably tries to reassure he could make sure they can be trusted for this one thing (my previous comment earlier). Tali stills says no, and then says she has the utmost confidence in Chakwas and Mordin to save her. Mordin, takes a deep breath feeling the pressure and showing appreciation for the confidence they have in him.

We can round off the whole heart touching scene with Legion telling Shepard after that they hope Creator Tali'Zorah will recover. Man, just thinking of it.. is heart-wrenching.