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[mothbanquet]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

mothbanquet wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Read what I write I was comparing War to Peace.Keep trying to correct me on little things that don't matter and yes keep failing.

are u talking to me

oh no he di'int......

what are you talking about he didn't say who he was talking to so I'm confused

i don't know, i'm hung over...

[The_KFD_Case]

mothbanquet wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...


Admittedly I have played many of BioWare's games and thus have become adept at predicting what sort of consequences one can expect from their dialogue options which does colour my views and decisions when playing their games. I may not get it right 100% of the time and I may be proven wrong on this occasion, yet I remain confident that the actions my Shepard carried out will allow for the possibility of a peaceful solution, if a Geth-Quarian solution is implemented in ME3 (it seems logical that it would be given the build up on the topic in ME2).

In a way I hope it isn't as black and white as 'save Geth/save quarian/peace for all'.  no amount of silver tongued Paragonia could really mend so many years of bloodshed.  i mean, look at our planet.

I'd prefer that all choices had pros and cons and it's up to you and the way you feel about (i.e love) Tali that influences your decision. I'd relish the decision to possibly have to sacrifice my reliationship to have a better chance at fighting the reapers (like there is a choice)

That may be, and yet comparing the Quarians to humans may not be a sound comparison. They may have been a far more pacifistic people than humans were/are. IIRC Legion even mentions that the Quarians did not hit them (the Geth) as hard as they could have. An indicator perhaps?

There is a choice: Death or worse - painful transformation into some DNA freak of nature to serve the Reapers or a painful transformation into organic paste used to construct new Reapers. Hmmmm. Let me think....

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 07 février 2010 - 11:24 .

[Rip504]

The first part is a non issue in either cases.(you can deff be charge for murder in self defense case)
But since you say all your BS comes from ME tell me where I can see that the Geth that invaded Armstrong were Heritics not True Geth?Because I deff missed that.Tali ppl created the Geth they have more insight then you give her credit for.I can't rember what the cpu said but it was deff the info Tali was looking for,suggesting True Geth.

Modifié par Rip504, 07 février 2010 - 11:26 .

[The_KFD_Case]

Rip504 wrote...

We are talking either they are going to war or settleing for peace.How would your math chop that 1 up?Yes they could end up not doing either,but thats not what we are talking about.War or peace so what are the odds IYO let me guess 110for peace 0 for war?

I called him/her out on the armstrong "True Geth" what he/she do lol exactly what I expected evaded the ?,because it threatens your limited pov.

Please provide a direct quote from me where I "evaded" your "Armstrong" question. The burden of proof rests upon the accuser.

[BLACKOUT228]

Ok, first thing first. I go to work, come back and we had to start a new thread? NOOOOOO....



Now that's over with... anywho.



My thoughts on the quarian/geth situation are this. The quarians cannot go to war without out some major advantage. Being able to hack geth, or a weapon that will do massive damage from orbit, while being able to protect themselves. If they get into a war with the geth, my guess they have about a 5-10% chance of being successful. They have too many issues to deal with. Most injuries would doom a soldiers, even with their stockpile of antibiotics. A lot of their ships are very very old, and wouldn't do very well in a fight with the geth. Also the geth have the ability to replenish their numbers much much faster than the geth can. To me, unless they get some technological breakthrough, their only hope is either diplomacy, or finding a new homeworld.

[mothbanquet]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

That may be, and yet comparing the Quarians to humans may not be a sound comparison. They may have been a far more pacifistic people than humans were/are. IIRC Legion even mentions that the Quarians did not hit them (the Geth) as hard as they could have. An indicator perhaps?

There is a choice: Death or worse - painful transformation into some DNA freak of nature to serve the Reapers or a painful transformation into organic paste used to construct new Reapers. Hmmmm. Let me think....

Too true, but everything I've seen so far indicates the quarians will need a lotta convincing.  Unless i shout at the admirals again like in Tali's trial.  Got a lotta kudos from her for that!!

That paste maker was pretty nasty.  Felt sorry for Lilith!

[Rip504]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I have the Rachni I didn't kill her off,no I decided to keep her alive,No itchy triggers here. I'm not saying it is impossible for peace between the Geth and Quarians,but to say peace is more likely then war is absurd.Realisticly there's a 50/50 chance of either.

I kept the Rachni queen alive as well, although I was far more uncertain about that choice than the one about getting involved with the Geth.

A 50/50 chance would only be realistic barring any relevant factors being in existence. Since that is not the case a 50/50 chance expectation seems misplaced.

I asked you about the armstrong geth before this. You replied to this first had to call you out in another post after this before you ever answered.And it was the first ? you answered all night.

But since you say all your BS comes from ME tell me where I can see that the Geth that invaded Armstrong were Heritics not True Geth?Because I deff missed that.Tali ppl created the Geth they have more insight then you give her credit for.I can't rember what the cpu said but it was deff the info Tali was looking for,suggesting True Geth.

Modifié par Rip504, 07 février 2010 - 11:31 .

[Kami102]

I love this.



A nice, intelligent discussion of both sides in a very controversial argument.



No "UR WRONG, CAUSE I KNOW IM RIGHT HAH!" or yelling or anything.





Tali's love sure has amazing powers

[The_KFD_Case]

Rip504 wrote...

The first part is a non issue in either cases.(you can deff be charge for murder in self defense case)
But since you say all your BS comes from ME tell me where I can see that the Geth that invaded Armstrong were Heritics not True Geth?Because I deff missed that.Tali ppl created the Geth they have more insight then you give her credit for.I can't rember what the cpu said but it was deff the info Tali was looking for,suggesting True Geth.

Right, here's my proposition: How about you actually get a clue regarding the Geth and the Quarians by reading up on their entries in the ME2 Codex? It's clear that you have already made your mind up about what the Geth are and want regardless of the fact that your opinion flies in the face of what BioWare has created and written about them. Don't take my word for it, read the Codex by all means.

You will find that all this "BS" you say I'm spouting is in fact supported wholly by them, the creators of ME, the Geth and the Quarians. The only "BS" that's been flying around between us here today has come from your ill-informed opinions. That's your prerogative; I support your right to to an opinion and the freedom to express it. No one should feel afraid to express themselves, IMO. Just know that opinion and fact are not always the same thing and on this occasion your opinion runs afoul of the facts.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 07 février 2010 - 11:31 .

[mothbanquet]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

The first part is a non issue in either cases.(you can deff be charge for murder in self defense case)
But since you say all your BS comes from ME tell me where I can see that the Geth that invaded Armstrong were Heritics not True Geth?Because I deff missed that.Tali ppl created the Geth they have more insight then you give her credit for.I can't rember what the cpu said but it was deff the info Tali was looking for,suggesting True Geth.

Right, here's my proposition: How about you actually get a clue regarding the Geth and the Quarians by reading up on their entries in the ME2 Codex? It's clear that you have already made your mind up about what the Geth are and want regardless of the fact that your opinion flies in the face of what BioWare has created and written about them. Don't take my word for it, read the Codex by all means.

You will find that all this "BS" you say I'm spouting is in fact supported wholly by them, the creators of ME, the Geth and the Quarians. The only "BS" that's been flying around between us here today has come from your ill-informed opinions. That's your prerogative; I support your right to to an opinion and the freedom to express it. No one should feel afraid to express themselves, IMO. Just know that opinion and fact are not always the same thing and on this occasion your opinion runs afoul of the facts.

Stop arguing, both of you and answer  the question that will either get me banned or committed:

My missus is roughly the same dimensions as our favourite girl. Am I going insane by visualising a helmet over her face?!!

[Aethelwulf1066]

Rip504 wrote...

The first part is a non issue in either cases.(you can deff be charge for murder in self defense case)
But since you say all your BS comes from ME tell me where I can see that the Geth that invaded Armstrong were Heritics not True Geth?Because I deff missed that.Tali ppl created the Geth they have more insight then you give her credit for.I can't rember what the cpu said but it was deff the info Tali was looking for,suggesting True Geth.

That's not entirely true. That happened 300 years ago, and perspectives and insights change. Tali was not around 300 years ago, so she only knows the current version of the original story, so to speak. The Quarian view of what happened 300 years ago is skewed (Changed and possibly exaggerated after hundreds of years of conflict with the Geth.), and only one half of the story. To truly understand it, you need to look at both sides of the coin, not just one.

They created the Geth, sure, so they do know alot, but their views and ideas on Geth motives are biased and speculation at best.

[Sleepicub09]

they can't handle themselves in a fight they proved it twice once on freedoms progress and another on haestrom face it Tali and Kal'reear are the only quarians able to do it

[SerSpiffy]

YAY MASSIVE FIESTA TALI PARTY :'D



WHERE IS THE TALI LOVE MY BROTHERS!!!



WHEN THIS IS OVER, WE'RE GONNA GET LOUD AND SPILL DRINKS ON THE CITADEL

[SerSpiffy]

TALI LOVE 2.0 BABY

[Aethelwulf1066]

mothbanquet wrote...

Stop arguing, both of you and answer  the question that will either get me banned or committed:

My missus is roughly the same dimensions as our favourite girl. Am I going insane by visualising a helmet over her face?!!

Nope. It either means Tali's hot stuff, or you have a bondage fetish.  j/k

[BLACKOUT228]

mothbanquet wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

The first part is a non issue in either cases.(you can deff be charge for murder in self defense case)
But since you say all your BS comes from ME tell me where I can see that the Geth that invaded Armstrong were Heritics not True Geth?Because I deff missed that.Tali ppl created the Geth they have more insight then you give her credit for.I can't rember what the cpu said but it was deff the info Tali was looking for,suggesting True Geth.

Right, here's my proposition: How about you actually get a clue regarding the Geth and the Quarians by reading up on their entries in the ME2 Codex? It's clear that you have already made your mind up about what the Geth are and want regardless of the fact that your opinion flies in the face of what BioWare has created and written about them. Don't take my word for it, read the Codex by all means.

You will find that all this "BS" you say I'm spouting is in fact supported wholly by them, the creators of ME, the Geth and the Quarians. The only "BS" that's been flying around between us here today has come from your ill-informed opinions. That's your prerogative; I support your right to to an opinion and the freedom to express it. No one should feel afraid to express themselves, IMO. Just know that opinion and fact are not always the same thing and on this occasion your opinion runs afoul of the facts.

Stop arguing, both of you and answer  the question that will either get me banned or committed:

My missus is roughly the same dimensions as our favourite girl. Am I going insane by visualising a helmet over her face?!!

To put it simply.... hell no!

[Sleepicub09]

SerSpiffy wrote...

YAY MASSIVE FIESTA TALI PARTY :'D

WHERE IS THE TALI LOVE MY BROTHERS!!!

WHEN THIS IS OVER, WE'RE GONNA GET LOUD AND SPILL DRINKS ON THE CITADEL

when did jacob sneak in here

[The_KFD_Case]

Kami102 wrote...

After 3 playthroughs, I always make sure I have enough Paragon/Renegade for the conflict with Tali/Legion. It really does make you feel a sense of accomplishment watching two bitter enemies share a personal moment together (d'awww Tali ).

The heart of the issue is definitely the Quarian's homeworld.
People always tell them to "colonize a different homeworld". True this option is viable in most cases, saves time and ignores an inevitable conflict with the Geth, but, to me it just doesn't seem fair for the Quarians as a whole. They already suffered way too much, and now the Geth have the only thing left that is sacred to the Quarian culture. Obviously this conflict spurs the fire of the entire situation, and I will say that I agree with the Quarian side.

To me, I would say that It'd make sense for the Geth to leave the homeworld and go someplace else, rather than the Quarians. The Geth have no reason, whatsoever, to stay there. They don't breathe, they don't eat, they don't need it at all. They are shown in ME2 to be capable of building massive ships that thousands, if not millions, of geth can live in. Why not just have all the Geth that're on the homeworld move into one of the ships?

Something like that would definitely work out in my eyes, so that it avoids a bloody confrontation on both sides.

Shepard needs to build that house for Tali, dammit

Agreed. Legion also mentions that the Geth don't really spend much time on planets, including the Quarian homeworld. They repair damage from the "Dawn War" and apparently are care takers of the Quarian worlds. The Geth reside in space stations. This is one of the main reasons why I think it may be entirely possible to convince the Geth to let the Quarians back to their worlds without violence, providing that the Quarians are perceived by the Geth to be willing to commit to leaving them in peace and not seek retribution.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 07 février 2010 - 11:36 .

[Morph.hu]

well, that's it, couldn't resist. had to put this userbar in my signature. ;<

[mothbanquet]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

SerSpiffy wrote...

YAY MASSIVE FIESTA TALI PARTY :'D

WHERE IS THE TALI LOVE MY BROTHERS!!!

WHEN THIS IS OVER, WE'RE GONNA GET LOUD AND SPILL DRINKS ON THE CITADEL

when did jacob sneak in here

haha....good ol' stereotype humour...

[smore006]

Rip504 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I have the Rachni I didn't kill her off,no I decided to keep her alive,No itchy triggers here. I'm not saying it is impossible for peace between the Geth and Quarians,but to say peace is more likely then war is absurd.Realisticly there's a 50/50 chance of either.

I kept the Rachni queen alive as well, although I was far more uncertain about that choice than the one about getting involved with the Geth.

A 50/50 chance would only be realistic barring any relevant factors being in existence. Since that is not the case a 50/50 chance expectation seems misplaced.

 You replied to this first had to call you out in another post after this before you ever answered.And it was the first ? you answered all night.

Would you guys mind stopping this argument, or at least taking it to somewhere else? 
One reason is that it's off topic here, and therefore may lead to this thread closed way sooner than the original one.
 
Also i think Rip504 is just trying to generate the argument for it's own sake, refusing that his opinion might not be shared by the others (no offense, mate). The_KFD_Case has brought up very well thought-out points which are backed up by the game's events and lore. 

Just let it go...

[mothbanquet]

BLACKOUT228 wrote...

mothbanquet wrote...

Stop arguing, both of you and answer  the question that will either get me banned or committed:

My missus is roughly the same dimensions as our favourite girl. Am I going insane by visualising a helmet over her face?!!

To put it simply.... hell no!

That's good, i thought i was going strange.

[The_KFD_Case]

Rip504 wrote...

Read what I write I was comparing War to Peace.Keep trying to correct me on little things that don't matter and yes keep failing.

Someone's touchy. You know, claiming a self-victory doesn't make it true. If you want to speak of failing try comparing your comments about the Geth, etc. to what BioWare's canon states about them.

[Kami102]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

they can't handle themselves in a fight they proved it twice once on freedoms progress and another on haestrom face it Tali and Kal'reear are the only quarians able to do it

I believe that they are very fierce and skilled fighters.

What happened at Haelstrom, it was pretty much just one strike team against the Geth who definitely outnumbered them.

It's just that, as what Kal'Reegar said, that because of their weakened immune system, they can get crippled very easily in combat due to infection and disease.

The same could be said at Freedom's Progress with Tali's strike team.

Though it was an absolutely gut-wrenching moment when that Heavy Mech shot that one quarian female, and she tried to crawl away, only to have him step on her and gun her down...

[The_KFD_Case]

mothbanquet wrote...

Okay, here's the question that will either get me banned or committed:

My missus is roughly the same dimensions as our favourite lass. Am I going insane by visualising a helmet over her face?!!

More importantly: How do her proportions look in a Tali-esque space suit? (You don't need to answer that as it's your lady) What about her personalty? Similar to Tali's or no?