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[AddoExAtrum]

@MMA7FF



lol good one back to the Tali love thou! Must save Rachini queen... then i can go to virmire and save it so I can have a level 60 with no LI cause ill kill ash and one with ash for the LI muwhahaha hey come to think of it I could have the Liara LI that way too sweeet

[Hader102]

glenboy24 wrote...


I almost agree with everything you stated, Arc. All in all, an Outstanding sum of observations. However, I have to disagree that Spacer Shepard is not the Strongest Back-Story Tali can relate too. In point of fact, if you use the Spacer backstory and Pay attention, that Backstory would speak to Tali more than any of the others. Allow me to explain.

As we know, Tali Zorah was the Child of Two rather influencial (spelling? Ugh..) members of Quarian Society. Her Father Rael was a Prominent Scientist and natural Leader who eventually became the Leading figure of the Admirality Board. Tali's mother was also a Prominent Engineer and well respected. Both Parents loved thier child and tried to instill deep core values in thier daughter that would remind her of the importance of progress while preserving the sanctity of life. Tali Would learn these values while moving across the Galaxy, moving from one ship or another as her Father did his research or later with his duty to the Admiralty. Tali, by nature of being a Quarian, would grow up with a Natural love of Space and an understanding that the best things can be achieved when many work together as one, though not in a Geth sense.

And now, we have Spacer Shepard. This Shepard was the child of two Ranking Officers in the Alliance Fleet. Shepard's Father was a well Respected Admiral while his Mother was an Executive Officer and later Captain. Both of Shepard's parents raised him to believe that Humanity's greater destiny lay out in the Stars, and that to achieve this meant working alongside the other races of the Galaxy, not dominating them. Also, he was raised to see that life is important, and worth defending; this is shown especially if you picked the War Hero side story or did the Lt. Zabaleta side quest in ME1. Shepard would learn all of these things while moving from one Duty Station to another while his Parents were Deployed on Missions or Manuvers, and during this time Shepard would gain a great understanding and love of Space and the greater Galaxy. Now, no clear indication has been given as to the present status of Shepard's Father, though in ME1 he does mention "Both his Parents..." but there seems to be a strong indication that Shepard also Lost his Father, since his Mother Hannah seems to be a predominate part of his life.

Now, look upon both of these and can see that if 'any' of the Backstories would be most closely understood and embraced by Tali, it would have to be Spacer-War Hero Sheapard. Hope that shed some new light or food for thought.

I've always had that sort of notion in mind actually, about the Spacer background. And furthermore, the Spacer-War Hero combo is one that, after much deliberation, have just barely decided as the most compatible with Tali. Great minds think alike, I suppose.

So I think I'd take two approaches here for my ME games. My first one would have the Spacer-WarHero background, for obvious reasons. I'd also have a second character with Colonist-Sole Survivor though, as that is a personal taste that fits me a bit better. Though I highly doubt any of the history will ever be touched on when concerning the relationship with Tali (or anyone perhaps), its just a nice personal touch at the very least.

[Archonsg]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Raniall wrote...

AubreyFleming wrote...

So, hm, here´s one Tali from me

I like it

Not bad, not bad. She looks rather striking, IMO. I'm not convinced that's how Tali will look due to the glowing eyes we see in-game.

The eyes can be explained, as I mentioned earlier about why now the quarians need a more or less opaque faceplate, its very likely their eyes have developed to capture as much light as possible, much like that of a cat. So what you see is not really a "glow" but more like reflection of light of her whites from retroreflection.
Kinda like this





I would use less blue for her skin though. I imagine most Quarians would have rather soft translucent skin. colors ranging from fleshy pink to brownish grey. She's beautiful though.

Modifié par Archonsg, 18 février 2010 - 08:18 .

[Hader102]

SteelEagleShane wrote...

KFD;s epic masterpiece post, as google translate says it is in Japanese and then English again:

"Are welcome
Driving a truck load of good conversation, philosophical, screenshots, poetry,
Humor, praise and friendly camarderie / love for the persona of the talus.

Before I came to this moment you enter the flash.

We
We on the talus and she often speaks as if the enthusiasm of our fans
Religion; can not be truth. Off that description too. Otherwise
Short, simple words: We are a movement. Daily
Self "" returns a lot of familiar faces and some of us declared Talimancers
New. Enthusiasm and our dedication to this location will not be displayed
As an adjustment to go from day to day - quite contrary. And so is not,
This location. No, that is what has been unleashed by
Normandy deferens Tali'Zorah character creation. We trust that all
We are hurt, and if she is not living, breathing entity consciousness
Come to understand that. She said that her spirit had been ideal
Many of us in the back of my mind is what caused the dormant Rain - each
One of us, you are going to secretly craved recognition or
Daily routine and how it is in our fingertips We do not know the location yet
Recognize that it is missing something instinctive. We each shared
Once or another longing, which is common to share it
The bond forged between those who have been strengthened over the past
Few days later.

We have our family, regardless of the spirit of our age
Experience, our country's birth or mother tongue, so that similar
Has been awakened inside of us. But we had one of those rare opportunities
Glimpse into the life that some people find our inner
How is concluded that compared with the world around us
Regardless, can be good for our station in life. We should do.
Personally, I prefer the population group - is, as we can
Resonance already will improve the effectiveness of free
Will be created between us. This may sound melodramatic, but still
I believe that worship is clear mind and heart and earnest,
Tali'Zorah is a testament to enjoy the love of the character
There are so many people know by now, I love that red-hot burning
There is no darkness in our souls, in the back How much
You can turn off the grave. We so-called "Talimancers" called - terminology,
Half as a joke, because it may have started movements and
Clearly, for the first time in probably, please see to it that
There are good and large purely ephemeral material
Selfish pursuit. This is the value represented by deferens Tali'Zorah
To us that she only applied to Normandy, you can apply to them is not
Around us. We look at it - in truth, you can find a self-sacrificing love
Pure, brave and modest, thoughtful and powerful - and that's all.
What is worth working for. We are due to these reasons, each with
Our own individual ways Tali'Zorah we come to love, and they are
Reasons, the fine character of Normandy Tali'Zorah she has become
Slogan is a symbol."

:lol:
Endless fun, those google translators.

[MMA7FF]

Archonsg wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Raniall wrote...

AubreyFleming wrote...

So, hm, here´s one Tali from me

I like it

Not bad, not bad. She looks rather striking, IMO. I'm not convinced that's how Tali will look due to the glowing eyes we see in-game.

The eyes can be explained, as I mentioned earlier about why now the quarians need a more or less opaque faceplate, its very likely their eyes have developed to capture as much light as possible, much like that of a cat. So what you see is not really a "glow" but more like reflection of light of her whites from retroreflection.
Kinda like this





I would use less blue for her skin though. I imagine most Quarians would have rather soft translucent skin. colors ranging from fleshy pink to brownish grey

you guys are smoking somethin this is reallllly bad photoshop..... and her eyes are huge ..
no offense intended i just dont like this very much...

[AddoExAtrum]

@MMA7FF there were a lot more comments made about that even one done where her eyes kinda glow



I got a question for you technical guys. Why did Bioware do away with the jumper geth from ME1? Those guys were always fun as hell to try to shoot

[MMA7FF]

threads dead again...

GUYS TALI IS HERE AGAIN!!

[RogueWriter3201]

[quote]Lareit wrote...


[quote]
Now this is a very interesting question.
You do realize that almost no matter what Shepard’s background is, Tali has a hook or can empathize with him.

For example, Spacefarer seems the most obvious but I don’t that is as strong as anything other than another “space migrant”. But it is at least a common ground she understands.

It really becomes interesting when Shepard has his background other than as a Spacefarer.
For example if he is a colonist, there’s lots for Tali and Shepard to talk about and for her to find things of interest to her. Shepard’s loss of his parents and the raid that killed them for example. She can definitely relate to your lost of home and family.

Even as an Earther, I would think she would find it fascinating to talk about how crowded the slums were and how gangs worked on earth. Looked from her perspective, in this case, Shepard’s life on earth and climb out of poverty to prove himself sounds quite a bit like he went on his own personal pilgrimage.

As for the other traits, She’ll see a “ruthless” character as someone willing to make hard choices like the conclave or those serving on the admiralty board, or rather her ideal of someone on either bodies should make. Strength of self and perhaps she sees her father in you.

Sole survivor would speak to her on a more personal level as she seems to always be the one “left behind”. First, on her pilgrimage, at the end of ME1, then at Freedom’s Progress , then at Haelstrom and later on the Alarei. She knows more than any other what it means to be the one left behind by friends and the ones she loves.

Everybody loves the Hero, though I think her view of Shepard the Hero is quite something different. She mentions shepard saving her, that’s personal, she mentions Sehpard saving the colonists on Feros, Shepard’s willingness to take the high, harder road to save everyone speaks to her a way as only a Quarian who must always think of others first can undertand and she mentions Shepard trying to save the galaxy even when the galaxy turns its back to him. Her perspective of him is something quite more intimate I would think no?

No other “love interest” had quite the same development in terms of having something common and a real genuine feel that she’s the real thing as far as her emotions go. She does love Shepard, and it’s not “puppy” love, or lust, but something born from her time spent with him and knowing him in more intimate ways that the other Love interest just doesn’t have.
[/quote]

I almost agree with everything you stated, Arc. All in all, an Outstanding sum of observations. However, I have to disagree that Spacer Shepard is not the Strongest Back-Story Tali can relate too. In point of fact, if you use the Spacer backstory and Pay attention, that Backstory would speak to Tali more than any of the others. Allow me to explain.

As we know, Tali Zorah was the Child of Two rather influencial (spelling? Ugh..) members of Quarian Society. Her Father Rael was a Prominent Scientist and natural Leader who eventually became the Leading figure of the Admirality Board. Tali's mother was also a Prominent Engineer and well respected. Both Parents loved thier child and tried to instill deep core values in thier daughter that would remind her of the importance of progress while preserving the sanctity of life. Tali Would learn these values while moving across the Galaxy, moving from one ship or another as her Father did his research or later with his duty to the Admiralty. Tali, by nature of being a Quarian, would grow up with a Natural love of Space and an understanding that the best things can be achieved when many work together as one, though not in a Geth sense.

And now, we have Spacer Shepard. This Shepard was the child of two Ranking Officers in the Alliance Fleet. Shepard's Father was a well Respected Admiral while his Mother was an Executive Officer and later Captain. Both of Shepard's parents raised him to believe that Humanity's greater destiny lay out in the Stars, and that to achieve this meant working alongside the other races of the Galaxy, not dominating them. Also, he was raised to see that life is important, and worth defending; this is shown especially if you picked the War Hero side story or did the Lt. Zabaleta side quest in ME1. Shepard would learn all of these things while moving from one Duty Station to another while his Parents were Deployed on Missions or Manuvers, and during this time Shepard would gain a great understanding and love of Space and the greater Galaxy. Now, no clear indication has been given as to the present status of Shepard's Father, though in ME1 he does mention "Both his Parents..." but there seems to be a strong indication that Shepard also Lost his Father, since his Mother Hannah seems to be a predominate part of his life.

Now, look upon both of these and can see that if 'any' of the Backstories would be most closely understood and embraced by Tali, it would have to be Spacer-War Hero Sheapard. Hope that shed some new light or food for thought.

[/quote]

I don't recall any information regarding tali's mother as a major figure in the migrant fleet. Nor do I recall her father ever being a scientist. Even regarding what he did on the Alarei it's a good chance he was simply overseeing it. The director more then an active tech.

Shepard lost his father in the spacer origin but I don't recall him ever being an admiral(i could be wrong though, spacer is my least favorite origin, so I only did it once)

[/quote]

Whew! This is going to be a wall of Text, but I'll keep mine short.

In Regards to Tali's parents, if you spoke with 'Everyone' during Tali's Loyalty missions there are several references to both Tali's Parents, and though no clear cut titles are given, it's easy to reach some conclusions. In regards to Rael, there is mention of him having served aboard a Scout Ship with Admiral Koris...or was it Gerrel? Damn, well, one of them. And in regards to his taking command of the project on the Alarei if you listen to the Logs there are several mentions of Rael being very hands on with the research. Even Admiral Xen sends you an Email later refering to, "Rael's Research." So, it's easy to assertain that he was a Scientist. Also, Tali mentions when she finds his body that he always kepts back-ups to his suit, life support programs, etc. He would seem to be the Scientist type. Now, in regards to Shepard, it is never mentioned clearly what happened to his father. Even in Shepard's ME1 Timeline there is no mention of any signifigance. If you've read the Mass Effect Novels there is mention of 'Admiral' Shepard. And, since his mother was an Executive offiver during the events of ME1, well, that really only leaves one option. And no, not an Uncle or some-such, that would be quite Stupid.

[Hader102]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

@MMA7FF there were a lot more comments made about that even one done where her eyes kinda glow

I got a question for you technical guys. Why did Bioware do away with the jumper geth from ME1? Those guys were always fun as hell to try to shoot

They could still be around, we don't see nearly as much of the Geth in ME2 as in ME1. I think its just Legion's loyalty mission, Tali's recruitment and loyalty missions, and the Crashing Ship and Geth 'Weather Changing Module' N7 Missions.

[MMA7FF]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

@MMA7FF there were a lot more comments made about that even one done where her eyes kinda glow

I got a question for you technical guys. Why did Bioware do away with the jumper geth from ME1? Those guys were always fun as hell to try to shoot

hmmm idk  havnt played me1 since 2007 and i just started a new game tonight so im not that far .... trying to get to tali lol
were the jupiter geth the 4 leged ones?

[Jedi_blues]

Has anyone here ever bothered to talk to all the Admirals before helping Tali reclaim her father's ship? My first play through I rushed off to try to (hopefully) save Tali's father. Knowing he would be dead when I played through the second time I slowed down and explored the dialog options with the Admirals, it actually gave me more dialog in defending Tali, which was very cool.

[Wally2905]

Lareit wrote...

I'm hoping for atleast a small confrontation. I specifically went back and romanced Ash for the sole purpose of creating drama in the future. I could never romance liara, she came on too quickly and I'd feel much worse for splitting with her after all the stuff she went through to save Shepard.

Yeah, I do feel somewhat guilty for dumping Liara...but in the end a) I like Tali waaay better and "Hi Shep, I heard you was alive afterall...sup"  left me a bit..well not amused

As a bonus, she Ash is slightly xenophobic, I imagine her finding you ditched her for Tali to be way more amusing too.

Oh yeah, drama! Pass the popcorn


P.S. I'm seeing posts going over the margins of the page. Is it just me or is this thread breaking down?

Modifié par Wally2905, 18 février 2010 - 08:27 .

[el pardack]

Well, getting tired, and even badass mercenaries need to sleep.

Keelah Se'lai

[Archonsg]

solazz wrote...

R34P3RR3D33M3R wrote...

thepyro13 wrote...

Fizwold wrote...

On a side note , i heard from one of the people i stream for that the LI choice you made in ME1 will effect things in ME3 , just to be safe i went back , turn ashley into ash burgers and ignored liara completely , oh well , never really like them ............and incase someone did not post the roses are red "poem" about garrus from the stream here "roses are red violets are blue , can it wait a minute i have calibrations to do"

crap... now i have to go through ME1 again, i hate doing all the side quests!!!

Same here exactly. And I'll also hate the old combat system, I bet.

I just started replaying ME1 for this very reason.  And yes, I am so hating the old combat system.

ME1's combat is seems so primitive now, still, nothing like a fully speced infiltrator spamming marksmanship and just hold the trigger down. On anything other then insane mode, this would just clear everything in a room in a hurry. That and Maxed Singularity if you have it.

[MMA7FF]

Jedi_blues wrote...

Has anyone here ever bothered to talk to all the Admirals before helping Tali reclaim her father's ship? My first play through I rushed off to try to (hopefully) save Tali's father. Knowing he would be dead when I played through the second time I slowed down and explored the dialog options with the Admirals, it actually gave me more dialog in defending Tali, which was very cool.

ya its a good idea to talk to them and try to get them on your side too.

[AddoExAtrum]

Hader102 wrote...

AddoExAtrum wrote...

@MMA7FF there were a lot more comments made about that even one done where her eyes kinda glow

I got a question for you technical guys. Why did Bioware do away with the jumper geth from ME1? Those guys were always fun as hell to try to shoot

They could still be around, we don't see nearly as much of the Geth in ME2 as in ME1. I think its just Legion's loyalty mission, Tali's recruitment and loyalty missions, and the Crashing Ship and Geth 'Weather Changing Module' N7 Missions.

true i suppose. you dont see a single geth juggernaut in me2 either. the absence of both units was kinda wierd. and the destroyer being turned into a flamethrower unit

[Jedi_blues]

MMA7FF wrote...

Jedi_blues wrote...

Has anyone here ever bothered to talk to all the Admirals before helping Tali reclaim her father's ship? My first play through I rushed off to try to (hopefully) save Tali's father. Knowing he would be dead when I played through the second time I slowed down and explored the dialog options with the Admirals, it actually gave me more dialog in defending Tali, which was very cool.

ya its a good idea to talk to them and try to get them on your side too.

Did you try to nudge them to war or peace with the Geth?

[Hader102]

Alright, time to call it a night. Keelah Se'lai everyone!

Modifié par Hader102, 18 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[MMA7FF]

AddoExAtrum wrote...

Hader102 wrote...

AddoExAtrum wrote...

@MMA7FF there were a lot more comments made about that even one done where her eyes kinda glow

I got a question for you technical guys. Why did Bioware do away with the jumper geth from ME1? Those guys were always fun as hell to try to shoot

They could still be around, we don't see nearly as much of the Geth in ME2 as in ME1. I think its just Legion's loyalty mission, Tali's recruitment and loyalty missions, and the Crashing Ship and Geth 'Weather Changing Module' N7 Missions.

true i suppose. you dont see a single geth juggernaut in me2 either. the absence of both units was kinda wierd. and the destroyer being turned into a flamethrower unit

well it has been 2 years maybe the geth found them obsileet

ya i dont remember how to spell obsileet so i spell it like that..
DO somthing about it! ill ninja you:ph34r:

[Wally2905]

Hader102 wrote...

Alright, time to call it a night. Keelah Se'lai everyone!

Keelah Se'lai Hader

[MMA7FF]

Jedi_blues wrote...

MMA7FF wrote...

Jedi_blues wrote...

Has anyone here ever bothered to talk to all the Admirals before helping Tali reclaim her father's ship? My first play through I rushed off to try to (hopefully) save Tali's father. Knowing he would be dead when I played through the second time I slowed down and explored the dialog options with the Admirals, it actually gave me more dialog in defending Tali, which was very cool.

ya its a good idea to talk to them and try to get them on your side too.

Did you try to nudge them to war or peace with the Geth?

first time i went thru i was prett nuetral but thinking about it after meeting legion and beating the game peace is prolly the best option

[AddoExAtrum]

lol its cool MMA



Im headin to bed too folks



Keelah Se'lai and I will work on Ch 9 of the Fan fic tmw I promise

[RogueWriter3201]

MMA7FF wrote...

Jedi_blues wrote...

Has anyone here ever bothered to talk to all the Admirals before helping Tali reclaim her father's ship? My first play through I rushed off to try to (hopefully) save Tali's father. Knowing he would be dead when I played through the second time I slowed down and explored the dialog options with the Admirals, it actually gave me more dialog in defending Tali, which was very cool.

ya its a good idea to talk to them and try to get them on your side too.

That's what I love about having an Imported ME1 Shepard with High persuasion. It makes Talking to the Admirals a fun add on to Tali's backstory, but it does not factor in once the mission aboard the Alarei is completed. For me, once the Trial resumes I don't have to go through all the Dialogue options, instead I just choose my Paragon, "Tali helped save the Galaxy," dialogue option, and Bam! The Admirals get put in thier place and humbled, and Tali looks at Shepard like there is no one in the Galaxy she loves more.

Sheapard: "Come on, Tali. Let's go Home."

Tali: Yes...my Captain."

(Sigh) Love her...

[Lareit]

@glendog



I'd take any shepard you see in the books with a grain of salt in regards to their alignment to Commander Shepard. As it could very easily fly in the face of 2/3 of the origin choices.



I just vaguely recall mentioning the status of my parents to Ash during one of the talks with Shepards father being dead. I could be wrong though, only did spacer once, the spacer side quest forces you to go to the very obscure corridor in the wards that requires lots of elevator rides.



As for Tali's parents. Never did Tali's mother get more then a mention, and that was only by Shala'Raan when she mentioned linking her suit up.



Tali only mentioned her mother in the casual "Oh she was around" before mentioning how her father overshadowed her.



I can't dismiss Rael'Zorah as a scientist, and there is enough anecdotal evidence to imply it, but these are quarians, they're defiantly more adept at such technical tricks then the average human. Being hands on would make it much easier to keep it contained, he need not be a genuine scientist in order to do basic tests and oversee the rest.

[MMA7FF]

keelah sa'lai addo