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[Aphillio]

So bored. Can't be bothered playing ME just now, the lack of Tali disturbs me.

Takes far too long to get her recruitment mission.



I wrote 3 different one-shot fanfics today, deleted them all though.

I just can't write well enough

[Carcharoth42]

Running through ME1 at the moment. Creator-Tali'Zorah's thread must not slow down.

[Lareit]

I can't read fanfics for chrs I like and have no intrest in fanfics of chrs I don't.



Simply seeing someone else write the actions of those characters takes away my own personalization of them. It stops being my story and my interactions and I just can't stomach it.

[Carcharoth42]

Aphillio wrote...

So bored. Can't be bothered playing ME just now, the lack of Tali disturbs me.
Takes far too long to get her recruitment mission.

I wrote 3 different one-shot fanfics today, deleted them all though.
I just can't write well enough

We wrote one that takes place in Shepard-Commander's mind while he was comatose. Deleted it after several hours of work.

[sergio71785]

Aphillio wrote...

So bored. Can't be bothered playing ME just now, the lack of Tali disturbs me.
Takes far too long to get her recruitment mission.

I wrote 3 different one-shot fanfics today, deleted them all though.
I just can't write well enough

I know how you feel! I started a new play through, and it sucks having to recruit all those people before Tali. It can be taken care of fairly quickly though. Probably 3ish hours if you stick to just the necessary missions. 

Well, at least during this playthrough I was able to get some footage from Zaeed's mission, thus:

[smilie]http://www.sergio-a.com/games/me2/taliwaterfall1.gif[/smilie]

[monika26]

Aphillio wrote...

So bored. Can't be bothered playing ME just now, the lack of Tali disturbs me.
Takes far too long to get her recruitment mission.

I wrote 3 different one-shot fanfics today, deleted them all though.
I just can't write well enough

Yes, the wait to recruit her seems like forever!!!! I always rush through the first part of the game because of it.

I've just returned from the Migrant Fleet, I always love going there!

Also, don't give up on your writing. Keep trying until you get something you're happy with. I know sometimes it takes me a few drafts before I get something I'm happy with. Although I've never tried fan fiction before. One of these days I may give it a try!

[Fates end]

Wish she was recruitable from the beginning Oh well, have to suffer through until Tali.

[Lareit]

The wanting makes the getting better.

[monika26]

Fates end wrote...

Wish she was recruitable from the beginning Oh well, have to suffer through until Tali.

She's worth it though!

They did tease us a bit with Freedom's Progress. The first time I played, I was so excited to get Tali at the start of the game. But NO! They take her away from us!!! :'(  Total let down!

[Archonsg]

Jedi_blues wrote...

Has anyone here ever bothered to talk to all the Admirals before helping Tali reclaim her father's ship? My first play through I rushed off to try to (hopefully) save Tali's father. Knowing he would be dead when I played through the second time I slowed down and explored the dialog options with the Admirals, it actually gave me more dialog in defending Tali, which was very cool.

You have just learned the first rule in any RPG.
Talk to everyone.

Rule #2 is kill anything that gives you XP.

[1490]

monika26 wrote...

Fates end wrote...

Wish she was recruitable from the beginning Oh well, have to suffer through until Tali.

She's worth it though!

They did tease us a bit with Freedom's Progress. The first time I played, I was so excited to get Tali at the start of the game. But NO! They take her away from us!!! :'(  Total let down!

The first time I went through the game, I didn't look anything up, so I didn't know what NPCs I would be getting on my team.  After the first mission, I thought I wasn't going to be able to get Tali at all, so I was pleasantly surprised when I found out I could!  Of course, the better surprise was finding out you can romance her <3

[Carcharoth42]

Archonsg wrote...

Jedi_blues wrote...

Has anyone here ever bothered to talk to all the Admirals before helping Tali reclaim her father's ship? My first play through I rushed off to try to (hopefully) save Tali's father. Knowing he would be dead when I played through the second time I slowed down and explored the dialog options with the Admirals, it actually gave me more dialog in defending Tali, which was very cool.

You have just learned the first rule in any RPG.
Talk to everyone.

Rule #2 is kill anything that gives you XP.

Rule 3: Loot everything.

[Archonsg]

Hader102 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Now this is a very interesting question.
You do realize that almost no matter what Shepard’s background is, Tali has a hook or can empathize with him.

For example, Spacefarer seems the most obvious but I don’t that is as strong as anything other than another “space migrant”. But it is at least a common ground she understands.

It really becomes interesting when Shepard has his background other than as a Spacefarer.
For example if he is a colonist, there’s lots for Tali and Shepard to talk about and for her to find things of interest to her. Shepard’s loss of his parents and the raid that killed them for example. She can definitely relate to your lost of home and family.

Even as an Earther, I would think she would find it fascinating to talk about how crowded the slums were and how gangs worked on earth. Looked from her perspective, in this case, Shepard’s life on earth and climb out of poverty to prove himself sounds quite a bit like he went on his own personal pilgrimage.

As for the other traits, She’ll see a “ruthless” character as someone willing to make hard choices like the conclave or those serving on the admiralty board, or rather her ideal of someone on either bodies should make. Strength of self and perhaps she sees her father in you.

Sole survivor would speak to her on a more personal level as she seems to always be the one “left behind”. First, on her pilgrimage, at the end of ME1, then at Freedom’s Progress , then at Haelstrom and later on the Alarei. She knows more than any other what it means to be the one left behind by friends and the ones she loves.

Everybody loves the Hero, though I think her view of Shepard the Hero is quite something different. She mentions shepard saving her, that’s personal, she mentions Sehpard saving the colonists on Feros, Shepard’s willingness to take the high, harder road to save everyone speaks to her a way as only a Quarian who must always think of others first can undertand and she mentions Shepard trying to save the galaxy even when the galaxy turns its back to him. Her perspective of him is something quite more intimate I would think no?

No other “love interest” had quite the same development in terms of having something common and a real genuine feel that she’s the real thing as far as her emotions go. She does love Shepard, and it’s not “puppy” love, or lust, but something born from her time spent with him and knowing him in more intimate ways that the other Love interest just doesn’t have.

Indeed, all valid points to make. It's another reason that, when it boils down to it, these things are more just personal preference than anything. I just wish that it would play into the story of Tali and Shepard a bit more, maybe make it more interesting.

glenboy24 wrote...

I almost agree with everything you stated, Arc. All in all, an Outstanding sum of observations. However, I have to disagree that Spacer Shepard is not the Strongest Back-Story Tali can relate too. In point of fact, if you use the Spacer backstory and Pay attention, that Backstory would speak to Tali more than any of the others. Allow me to explain.

As we know, Tali Zorah was the Child of Two rather influencial (spelling? Ugh..) members of Quarian Society. Her Father Rael was a Prominent Scientist and natural Leader who eventually became the Leading figure of the Admirality Board. Tali's mother was also a Prominent Engineer and well respected. Both Parents loved thier child and tried to instill deep core values in thier daughter that would remind her of the importance of progress while preserving the sanctity of life. Tali Would learn these values while moving across the Galaxy, moving from one ship or another as her Father did his research or later with his duty to the Admiralty. Tali, by nature of being a Quarian, would grow up with a Natural love of Space and an understanding that the best things can be achieved when many work together as one, though not in a Geth sense.

And now, we have Spacer Shepard. This Shepard was the child of two Ranking Officers in the Alliance Fleet. Shepard's Father was a well Respected Admiral while his Mother was an Executive Officer and later Captain. Both of Shepard's parents raised him to believe that Humanity's greater destiny lay out in the Stars, and that to achieve this meant working alongside the other races of the Galaxy, not dominating them. Also, he was raised to see that life is important, and worth defending; this is shown especially if you picked the War Hero side story or did the Lt. Zabaleta side quest in ME1. Shepard would learn all of these things while moving from one Duty Station to another while his Parents were Deployed on Missions or Manuvers, and during this time Shepard would gain a great understanding and love of Space and the greater Galaxy. Now, no clear indication has been given as to the present status of Shepard's Father, though in ME1 he does mention "Both his Parents..." but there seems to be a strong indication that Shepard also Lost his Father, since his Mother Hannah seems to be a predominate part of his life.

Now, look upon both of these and can see that if 'any' of the Backstories would be most closely understood and embraced by Tali, it would have to be Spacer-War Hero Sheapard. Hope that shed some new light or food for thought.

Both of you are right. Though just remember that what seems "absolutely" right to you, might not from another person's perspective.
Mine for example of not seeing that being spacer is a "bigger" draw then other backgrounds is stemmed from my own relationships where having something in common wasn't as "exciting" or "interesting"  to my exes, as having something slightly in common but with that flavour of more to be discovered.

Having said that, I can definitely see why being a spacer would be more "comforting" for Tali then any other background but then again, I see my Tali with different eyes.

Just out of interest, one of my "Canon Paragon" Shepard is a Colonist / Hero. Which at the time of creation made sense to me. He did not become a hero because he wanted to be one, but because of Mindoir, and the trauma he suffered, Shepard swore to himself, "NEVER AGAIN" to let something that happened on Mindoir repeat itself if he has the power to do  so. Thus when the raid on Elysium happened and he was at the right place and time, he stood his ground, rallied the surviors and helped defend the colony because in his mind, he would rather die then let Mindoir happen again.

Though I have to say my favorite "Canon Paragon" is a hardened Earther / Ruthless SOB (Think Paragon Zaeed)  who does what it takes to see no one gets beat down just because that person is down and out on his luck but stick a gun into his face or try to take his weapon from him and you'll be missing some key reproductive organs.

Anyways, what I meant is, the funny thing about Tali is that her character is developed to "fit" nicely no matter what background you had. While this could be said of both Ashley / Liarra had the devs chose to develop them, its obvious they have made both of them move on, leaving you to Tali, Miranda and Jack.  The two other ladies sadly were "gimped" as one might say even before they got started once Tali comes on board.
Assuming that is, if your Shepard had any feelings for, or is able to appreciatefor Tali's intrest in the first place.



If not, and you are still reading this, damned!  You are on the wrong thread. But we are willing to accept converts, we accept postings as penance.

Modifié par Archonsg, 18 février 2010 - 10:25 .

[dragonshadow89]

This thread was at the middle of the page... thought it was lost for a moment.

[Beyonder101]

It´s just nothing else to say...and maybe the most are still reading it

[monika26]

Beyonder101 wrote...

It´s just nothing else to say...and maybe the most are still reading it

Hopefully they're not reading it from page 1, that could take a while.

[Archonsg]

Ya, I had to go back to 1040 earlier...
Others might be sleeping / playing / playing with significant other... you know... doing stuff.

Either that or my wall of text scared the bejebus out of some.

Modifié par Archonsg, 18 février 2010 - 10:45 .

[Yionel]

Fates end wrote...

Wish she was recruitable from the beginning Oh well, have to suffer through until Tali.

Hurray for PC hacks..i can pick her up right after freedoms progress..(oh and Thane too )

Modifié par Yionel, 18 février 2010 - 10:45 .

[Archonsg]

*going back to play some more ME2*

I should go hack and get Tali from the start. Its just an .ini file edit I hear. Maybe laters after I have backed up my saves to a "safe" place.

[Yionel]

Archonsg wrote...

*going back to play some more ME2*
I should go hack and get Tali from the start. Its just an .ini file edit I hear. Maybe laters after I have backed up my saves to a "safe" place.

http://social.biowar...01/1056#1274149


instruction at buttom post

Modifié par Yionel, 18 février 2010 - 10:49 .

[monika26]

Yionel wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

*going back to play some more ME2*
I should go hack and get Tali from the start. Its just an .ini file edit I hear. Maybe laters after I have backed up my saves to a "safe" place.

http://social.biowar...01/1056#1274149


instruction at buttom post

Thanks!! Now that's cool! I'm definitely doing that when I start my next playthrough!

[GHyland]

Yionel wrote...

Fates end wrote...

Wish she was recruitable from the beginning Oh well, have to suffer through until Tali.

Hurray for PC hacks..i can pick her up right after freedoms progress..(oh and Thane too )

Someone said like 100 pages ago (lol) that on the xbox version if you pick up moridn and then do the N7 side quests you get to go to harvest and then get the dossier for Tali. I don't know if it works i haven't tried it and it's not right at the beginning. But it's a good start for us xbox owners out there!!

we get a share of Tali near the Start love!!

[turelhimvampire]

Interesting discussions I see as I wake up. Keelah Se'lai everyone, good morning!



To chip in with my own observations on Tali, it is only natural that after the death of her mother she would develop some 'daddy issues' as people like to call them. With one parent gone, her natural instinct would be to savour and embrace the parent she has left, as the experience would have shown her better than anything that life on the flotilla is dangerous, and to cherish what time she had left with her father - to appreciate their relationship more.



Rael'Zorah, in his quest to ensure that his daughter would inherit a better future, unfortunately squandered the 'opportunity' (poor word choice) that the death of his wife had given him to become closer to his daughter, instead using it as even more motivation to real his ultimate goal.



Alas, this became an obsession, and eventually ended up killing him. But think of it like this; no matter the quarian ideal of 'the whole before the individual', Tali would have learned pretty damn quickly how to take care of herself because of it. With no mother, and a father who was increasingly distant due to a twisted - although not incorrect - ideal of how to be a loving parent, who would Tali have to look out for her, really?



She may have had her 'auntie' to step in and fill some of the void, we all know that when it boils down to it there is no replacement for blood relations. It is part of who we are to try to make our parents proud, and judging by Tali's comments about her pilgrimage and how much was expected of her, the quarians are no different in this regard.



Tali may be a gentle and loving person, but she is hardy, tough, and with a strong sense of moral guidelines. Shepard may have been the atypical hero that came to rescue her and sweep her off her feet, but if you really look at the relationship it is so much deeper than that.



Shepard may have rescued her from Fist, but Tali likely didn't need saving anyway. The proximity mine she uses on the two salarians proves that. Always resourceful, our little Tali'Zorah.



Shepard just stepped in and made sure that the ambush ended quickly. Not to detract from it, his actions were heroic, but not so that Tali would have immediately swooned from the mere sight of him. No, Shepard didn't earn Tali's affections that quickly. He earned her respect, or at least a flicker of it.



His ignorance of her species helped their friendship, as there were no pre-conceived stereotypes as obstacles for him to break through. This I think was what caused Tali to lower her guard. We don't see it, but going on my earlier comments of self-sufficiency (even for a quarian), Tali HAD to have had reservations about Shepard. She would have gotten used to the bigotry toward her people, and I don't care who you are that instantly puts up barriers - bigots tend to set a precedent for a persons outlook on things.



Put it this way; we know that the quarians are treated as second class citizens and have a reputation of being thieves and scum. But what we often likely overlook is that the quarians would - after repeated exposure to this - generate their own reputation for other species - they'd expect bigotry, being so used to it.



When Shepard was ignorant of this, especially when you consider that Tali likely had experience with Navigator Pressly - who was a very bigoted man at first - you can't fail to see how much Tali's preconceptions would have been turned on their heads.



With Tali being so young, her youthful excitement at the wider universe would have quickly soured due to her experiences - we DO meet her in the Wards of all places, where she is dealing with the Citadel's criminal underworld. That would have been one hell of a rude awakening for her.



So when Shepard genuinely showed an interest in her species, was there any wonder she opened up to him? I'd wager that she didn't even know why she DID open up to him at the time, but it just seemed the right thing to do. That was when the bond between the two was made, in the engine room of the Normandy - not in the Wards when Shepard 'saved' her from Fist.



Though, of course, in the words of Joker - this is all just my opinion there's really no need to go spreading it around.

[Madecologist]

Does this thread ever? Ever make it to page 2 of the forums. Or would that be a sign of the Apocalype?

[turelhimvampire]

[quote]Madecologist wrote...

Does this thread ever? Ever make it to page 2 of the forums. Or would that be a sign of the Apocalype?[/quote

"We Sleep In Shifts"  :lol: