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Fates end wrote...
Wish she was recruitable from the beginningOh well, have to suffer through until Tali.
tali. just did My insane playthrow as An Assasion. did all side quests and i am all saved up for Me3
Nezahoo wrote...
Fates end wrote...
Wish she was recruitable from the beginning
She was surpose to be one of the first Dossies, but Bioware changed that, (( Look up Mass effect Hidden dialog on youtube) , They proberly did this so people Would get to meet the othere charathers before goinge Me1 Tali/garrus retro.
oh well
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turelhimvampire wrote...
Interesting discussions I see as I wake up. Keelah Se'lai everyone, good morning!
To chip in with my own observations on Tali, it is only natural that after the death of her mother she would develop some 'daddy issues' as people like to call them. With one parent gone, her natural instinct would be to savour and embrace the parent she has left, as the experience would have shown her better than anything that life on the flotilla is dangerous, and to cherish what time she had left with her father - to appreciate their relationship more.
Rael'Zorah, in his quest to ensure that his daughter would inherit a better future, unfortunately squandered the 'opportunity' (poor word choice) that the death of his wife had given him to become closer to his daughter, instead using it as even more motivation to real his ultimate goal.
Alas, this became an obsession, and eventually ended up killing him. But think of it like this; no matter the quarian ideal of 'the whole before the individual', Tali would have learned pretty damn quickly how to take care of herself because of it. With no mother, and a father who was increasingly distant due to a twisted - although not incorrect - ideal of how to be a loving parent, who would Tali have to look out for her, really?
She may have had her 'auntie' to step in and fill some of the void, we all know that when it boils down to it there is no replacement for blood relations. It is part of who we are to try to make our parents proud, and judging by Tali's comments about her pilgrimage and how much was expected of her, the quarians are no different in this regard.
Tali may be a gentle and loving person, but she is hardy, tough, and with a strong sense of moral guidelines. Shepard may have been the atypical hero that came to rescue her and sweep her off her feet, but if you really look at the relationship it is so much deeper than that.
Shepard may have rescued her from Fist, but Tali likely didn't need saving anyway. The proximity mine she uses on the two salarians proves that. Always resourceful, our little Tali'Zorah.
Shepard just stepped in and made sure that the ambush ended quickly. Not to detract from it, his actions were heroic, but not so that Tali would have immediately swooned from the mere sight of him. No, Shepard didn't earn Tali's affections that quickly. He earned her respect, or at least a flicker of it.
His ignorance of her species helped their friendship, as there were no pre-conceived stereotypes as obstacles for him to break through. This I think was what caused Tali to lower her guard. We don't see it, but going on my earlier comments of self-sufficiency (even for a quarian), Tali HAD to have had reservations about Shepard. She would have gotten used to the bigotry toward her people, and I don't care who you are that instantly puts up barriers - bigots tend to set a precedent for a persons outlook on things.
Put it this way; we know that the quarians are treated as second class citizens and have a reputation of being thieves and scum. But what we often likely overlook is that the quarians would - after repeated exposure to this - generate their own reputation for other species - they'd expect bigotry, being so used to it.
When Shepard was ignorant of this, especially when you consider that Tali likely had experience with Navigator Pressly - who was a very bigoted man at first - you can't fail to see how much Tali's preconceptions would have been turned on their heads.
With Tali being so young, her youthful excitement at the wider universe would have quickly soured due to her experiences - we DO meet her in the Wards of all places, where she is dealing with the Citadel's criminal underworld. That would have been one hell of a rude awakening for her.
So when Shepard genuinely showed an interest in her species, was there any wonder she opened up to him? I'd wager that she didn't even know why she DID open up to him at the time, but it just seemed the right thing to do. That was when the bond between the two was made, in the engine room of the Normandy - not in the Wards when Shepard 'saved' her from Fist.
Though, of course, in the words of Joker - this is all just my opinion there's really no need to go spreading it around.
Archonsg wrote...
Definitely agree with you there.
We are even shown early on some of the prejudice against the Quarians when one of your companions call her "The Quarian" even after she said her name out loud.
The indignation you hear when she says "My name is Tali." was very well done.
Though interestingly, has anyone played a full jerkersarous renegade Shepard where he essentially screws (in the bad way) everyone in ME1 including Tali and refuses her the geth data? If so I am wondering if Tali is still romanceable in ME2, or she still goes out to him anyways. Hmnss....
Modifié par Yionel, 18 février 2010 - 11:25 .
Nezahoo wrote...
Fates end wrote...
Wish she was recruitable from the beginning
She was surpose to be one of the first Dossies, but Bioware changed that, (( Look up Mass effect Hidden dialog on youtube) , They proberly did this so people Would get to meet the othere charathers before goinge Me1 Tali/garrus retro.
oh well
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Modifié par Archonsg, 18 février 2010 - 11:26 .
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turelhimvampire wrote...
*snip
Modifié par Commandr Bond, 18 février 2010 - 11:27 .
Irony is, I got Garrus first. And I did not know he was Garrus. It was because according to Aria Mordin was in his clinic and Archangel was being hunted down. So Mordin should still be there, I had to save get Archangel first!Nezahoo wrote...
She was surpose to be one of the first Dossies, but Bioware changed that, (( Look up Mass effect Hidden dialog on youtube) , They proberly did this so people Would get to meet the othere charathers before goinge Me1 Tali/garrus retro.
oh well
Yionel wrote...
Shepard: Well we brought a human biatch along so why not a nice quarian gal who seems to have some brains in that helmet.
Madecologist wrote...
Irony is, I got Garrus first. And I did not know he was Garrus. It was because according to Aria Mordin was in his clinic and Archangel was being hunted down. So Mordin should still be there, I had to save get Archangel first!
I do admit, as soon as I got the Tali Dossier... I belined so hard to Haelstorm I think I left E-Z tire marks in space. Brought Garrus along too.
P.S. Does it make me a bad Tali fan that I did not bring her along with me to all my missions once I picked her up? I had to leave her in the ship... to do the research.. you know!
But...but... like that changed anything or mean anything. I mean, unless they implement a similar but upgraded banter system like the one in Dragon Age, there is almost NO reason take any of the other characters out unless playing thier loyalty missions, especially if you are playing on "Normal" mode or easier.
It was Tali and Garrus all the way in ME1, (overload + sabotage + AI hacking + Singularity (bonus power)) = everything dies helpless in matters of seconds.
Same for ME2, Overload + Drone + Shepard's powers = Dead things in a hurry.
Unless you are playing on insanity....then a little more care in composition is require for some missions but for most missions, Shepard + Tali + Garrus team still kicks major booty.
DrakeforBake wrote...
The Truth, this man speaketh. Tali lost a lot of her teeth from the first game but I'm a huge fan of her drone since my insanity run. She's still the go to girl for all things synthetic. Garrus is the destroyer of worlds once you get his armour piercing ammo trained.
DrakeforBake wrote...
About that Yionel, It's related to how teammates are programmed regarding their weapons. Giving them a shotgun tells them to advance and flank, pushing ahead of your position.
Tell her to swap to the pistol and she'll happily take cover next to you.
I think I remember that, you know from my explore all dialogue choice playthrough Tali had an interesting feature, you could be a total ass to her at first, but if you apologised and back tracked, she be cool. I thought it was funny you could do that with her. Made her dialogue more vivid.Yionel wrote...
Ashley:What About her? The Quarian?
Tali : My name is Tali!
Yionel wrote...
Personally i dont always bring her..she got limited uses on non synthetic target...drone is nice and i bring her most of the time tho
Modifié par Archonsg, 18 février 2010 - 11:39 .
Weiser_Cain wrote...
I went Tali + Grunt. Tali's drone could soften them up or kill them with Zero risk and Grunt was virtually unkillable for most enemies, plus as an adept I need the heat off me.
Weiser_Cain wrote...
I went Tali + Grunt. Tali's drone could soften them up or kill them with Zero risk and Grunt was virtually unkillable for most enemies, plus as an adept I need the heat off me.
Joekababazae wrote...
Weiser_Cain wrote...
I went Tali + Grunt. Tali's drone could soften them up or kill them with Zero risk and Grunt was virtually unkillable for most enemies, plus as an adept I need the heat off me.
i rolled vanguard. WAAAAY better than soldier. plus its even better if you have assault rifle training.
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