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[The_KFD_Case]

Yazman wrote...

Hey did you guys notice that the guy who closed the thread had a "BIOWARE" tag?

Surely the Bioware devs have seen how much we want Tali back in ME3 and as a continued LI

I missed the last page and a half unfortunately. Would have been nice if they had simply locked the threat and left it for others to read, or at least leave an official message on the a single one page post.

[DarchAngelDavid]

Wow did that just happen? We were almost at 10000 and they shut us down. I am a little mad about that but oh well we will keep it moving.



Quarian's need to stop thinking of the Geth as simple machines and software or else they are going to meet a bloody end. With so small a number full out war is not a real possibility for them unless they get help and attack the problem from a different direction. The Heritics have to go but not the rest. Stopping the heritics may very well help save all species but I dont see any sense in fighting the others that simply want peace. 300 years is a long time and I think if something has failed for that long it is insane to keep pushing in that direction.

[The_KFD_Case]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but... 10,000 replies... 10,000.

Yeah, a bit of a bum deal, IMO, but the Tali support thread was never about hitting a certain amount of posts. Still, 10,000 posts would have been a nice, round number to reach.

[Rip504]

What do you not understand,Humans would have done what the Quarians did period.BS because I do undertsand the Geth and no matter how you try to justify killing millions,you can't.

You talk of peace,but killing millions is ok with you? You don't know anymore about the Geth then anyone else. They both made mistakes, * Geth hold the logic that all species - including organics - have the right to determine their own path. End of story.*,But they were surpirsed they were being spied on becaues of this,then openly admit spying on organics.*Watch us*I'v played ME1 and 2.

No need to get mad because I disagree with you.

[Aethelwulf1066]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Hey did you guys notice that the guy who closed the thread had a "BIOWARE" tag?

Surely the Bioware devs have seen how much we want Tali back in ME3 and as a continued LI

I missed the last page and a half unfortunately. Would have been nice if they had simply locked the threat and left it for others to read, or at least leave an official message on the a single one page post.

I'm trying to figure out why he closed it. Did we reach a post limit, or page limit?

[Collider]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't think it is wrong. The Quarians weren't wrong. They just didn't not have the foresight. If a machine is malfunctioning, you shut it down and figure out how to fix it. Both the Quarians and the Geth are at fault, but neither of them are "wrong." The Quarians thought they were just shutting down malfunctioning AI, and the Geth were just trying to stop the Quarians from shutting them down. Synthetic=/=organic. Also, I'd like it if you answer my question about organic child vs. synthetic geth. Although you don't have to. Would just like to hear your thoughts.

I agree that they may have lacked the foresight to make a reasonable decision considering they probably didn't know the extent of the geth's cogntive function but the anaolgy of a malfunctioning machine is faulty.

I don't think it is faulty. The Geth were genuinely just servant robots. If they aren't doing what they are supposed to, you shut down it and fix it. They didn't intend to create robots that asked about the meaning of life. So they shut them down. They are the Quarians' mechaical creations, the Quarians have the right to shut them down if they want to.

If your washing machine one day asked you "Does this unit have a soul? Is this unit alive? What is this unit's purpose?" you wouldn't be justified in just sending in the Maytag repair man to shut it down.

Lol, I think you would be justified. A washing machine isn't supposed to be asking if it has a soul. Just as a washing machine isn't supposed to start a fire in your home. If it is generating too much heat, you shut down it down, repair it or get rid of it. If it is asking if it has a soul, you do the same. Organic life is generating through much more blood and sweat than inorganic "life."

[Sleepicub09]

but why by the way OP you suppose to link back to the old thread for those who wanna read it

Modifié par Sleepicub09, 07 février 2010 - 08:48 .

[Default137]

I demand "Quarian Pounce" be one of Talis powers in ME3.

[The_KFD_Case]

Scy Lancer wrote...

Wow. Now I know. 10,000 posts is the max till we start another one.
Anyone else wonder where the Quarian war ships are? They don't really seem like a war culture after they left their home world.

The Index describes the quarian Flotilla as having ca. 50,000 ships of which hundreds are proper warships. However, just about all ships are outfitted with some sort of weaponry. Still, a space scow is not the same as proper warship designed and built for engagements.

[Scy Lancer]

Whenever you encounter Quarian soldiers they seem to die really quick. They should stick to building machines and programs for fighting.

I still stand by my opinion of giving them Mech suits. I know it wont happen, but I still like the thought of Kal busting threw Geth ranks with two chain guns.

You would think they would have some space fleet to guard their main fleet.

[Yazman]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Hey did you guys notice that the guy who closed the thread had a "BIOWARE" tag?

Surely the Bioware devs have seen how much we want Tali back in ME3 and as a continued LI

I missed the last page and a half unfortunately. Would have been nice if they had simply locked the threat and left it for others to read, or at least leave an official message on the a single one page post.

Damn it was actually trashed.

For anybody who didn't see it though, somebody from Bioware was the one who actually closed it. So they are surely getting our message! Lets keep it up

[Saturamas]

So many supporters!!!

Tali <3

[DarchAngelDavid]

Aethelwulf1066 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Hey did you guys notice that the guy who closed the thread had a "BIOWARE" tag?

Surely the Bioware devs have seen how much we want Tali back in ME3 and as a continued LI

I missed the last page and a half unfortunately. Would have been nice if they had simply locked the threat and left it for others to read, or at least leave an official message on the a single one page post.

I'm trying to figure out why he closed it. Did we reach a post limit, or page limit?

It was a crap move but Tali fans will keep it moving.  Dont forget to add the new link in your signatures.

[The_KFD_Case]

Collider wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

I think you're responding to Rip, but please, don't be condescending. We don't need an argument here where we are subtly insulting each other. That will derail this thread.

I appreicate your concern but the individual in question is letting emotions cloud his (I'm presuming it's a male) perceptions and spouting outright falsehoods that are easily corrected if he actually took the time to do a bit of research. If he won't make the effort to respect his own points of view enough to do that, then why should I? I hold no regret over how I responded and I stand by my points.

[Collider]

The_KFD_Case wrote...
The Geth are likely quite aware of the difference between "shutting down" and permanently "killing" something. However, if they are no longer in a position to turn themselves back on and have to trust another species to do this then it's not difficult to comprehend why the Geth may perceive it to amount to the same thing for them in practical terms. There is no guarantee that the species that shut them down will reactivate them after all, and once that is done the Geth would be unable to further impact the situation.

Yea, I recognize that the Geth were retaliating, at least in part, for immediate self-defense. But I sincerely DOUBT that the amount of carnage was just the Geth stopping the Quarian standing next to them from pressing a button on their omnitool. Likely, it seems, the attacked the Quarians in general, without distinguishing innocents or foes. That would not be surprising, considering Geth are not particularly intelligent, or at least because they lack several mental functions that organics have, like empathy and fear.

But the Quarians did not think they were killing Geth. They thought they were shutting them down and possible just editing the code. If you shut down your computer that doesn't mean you can't turn it back on, after changing the motherboard or whatever.

[Collider]

The_KFD_Case wrote...
I appreicate your concern but the individual in question is letting emotions cloud his (I'm presuming it's a male) perceptions and spouting outright falsehoods that are easily corrected if he actually took the time to do a bit of research. If he won't make the effort to respect his own points of view enough to do that, then why should I? I hold no regret over how I responded and I stand by my points.

Then be the better man and show respect and moderation. It's just better that way. You two are arguing about a video game for god's sakes, so don't act like you're talking about a hot button issue that pertains to real life politics.

[BigKahuna25]

Yazman wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Hey did you guys notice that the guy who closed the thread had a "BIOWARE" tag?

Surely the Bioware devs have seen how much we want Tali back in ME3 and as a continued LI

I missed the last page and a half unfortunately. Would have been nice if they had simply locked the threat and left it for others to read, or at least leave an official message on the a single one page post.

Damn it was actually trashed.

For anybody who didn't see it though, somebody from Bioware was the one who actually closed it. So they are surely getting our message! Lets keep it up

*glares at Stanley Woo*   I know it was you. You broke my heart.

[Dark_Caduceus]

I just don't see how overheating and asking philosophical questions are at all comparable. One is indicative of a simple malfunction, the other is a sign of self awareness and sentience. The Reapers use similar reasoning to "justify" their extermination of sentient organic life, Sovereign refers to organic life a "genetic mutation", very similar to calling intelligent synthetic life a malfunction.

Modifié par Dark_Caduceus, 07 février 2010 - 08:55 .

[Sleepicub09]

http://social.biowar.../index/913054/1
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Modifié par Sleepicub09, 07 février 2010 - 08:56 .

[MarauderW]

Bookmarked for Tali.