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[Webkahve]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Tali's loyalty mission is the best, so emotionally charged too, and so meaningful with the Tali romance. Garrus' one really made me stop and think Thane's was just really fun to do. I enjoyed the banter between the C-Sec captain and Thane, especially the talks about children.

 

Tali was the Seconds Best, no other mission was as Emotion charged as Mordin's...sorry I love me girl but to watch him go through  rationalizations and try to come to terms with what he did man.     Tali hit me hard because  you saw the little girl inside that still loved her father very much but  the women was bitter over how he showed that love.. 


aahhh hell  they were both great ...I could spend hours just playing both their missions 

you should check the codex for salarians and emotions imho. Tali is the best without a doupt.
and mordin was really funny.

[Yazman]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Tali's loyalty mission is the best, so emotionally charged too, and so meaningful with the Tali romance. Garrus' one really made me stop and think Thane's was just really fun to do. I enjoyed the banter between the C-Sec captain and Thane, especially the talks about children.

 

Tali was the Seconds Best, no other mission was as Emotion charged as Mordin's...sorry I love me girl but to watch him go through  rationalizations and try to come to terms with what he did man.     Tali hit me hard because  you saw the little girl inside that still loved her father very much but  the women was bitter over how he showed that love.. 


aahhh hell  they were both great ...I could spend hours just playing both their missions 

Mordin's loyalty was great  Tali's is my favourite, because I love Tali and the stuff between her and Shepard.

But Mordin's really was a great mission.

[Arrtis]

tali's recruitment was nice but her loyalty was way too short.

[Lord Exar]

 Hey guys.  I know some people had Tali and Garrus support sigs, so I combined the two popular sigs.  I hope the creator of the two sigs don't mind.

http://img641.images.../taligarrus.png


Hope all you Tali/Garrus fans enjoy. I know I will.

[nitefyre410]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Adamski_707 wrote...

Just a quick question for you guys.

Personaly i think both talis recruitment mission and loyalty mission are the best examples of both recruitment and loyalty missions. I think they are both somewhat unique whereas most other recruitment missions see you fighting countless mercs.

Halestrom (spelling?) feels unique not because of the geth but the look of the level and the fact your hiding from direct sunlight as well as the nature of the mission itself it felt like it had a sense of urgentcy others were lacking imo.

As for the loyalty mission i thought it was the most emotionaly charged of the lot, the only one that came close imo was thane's or garrus's.

I just want to ask what are your favouites and why?

Good question. I have several favourites though for different reasons. In no particular order:

Most ethically stirring loyalty mission: Mordin's. The dialogue options in that mission completely opened Mordin up in a way I had not expected and made him feel directly accessible; Mordin's and my Shepard's relationship actually felt closer after that mission the way one would hope considering it was a loyalty mission. The anguish Mordin was undergoing while analysing and re-evaluating his actions in re-applying the genophage amongst the Krogans while trying to balance them with his love and respect for the diversity of life throughout the galaxy was tangible and are, IMO, the most ethically difficult to handle.

Most sentimentally stirring loyalty mission: Tali'Zorah's. Watching her fret nervously over the fate of her father and second guessing herself as to whether she made any mistakes regarding the safety of Geth parts highlighted her strength and compassion while revealing an inner insecurity that likely ties in with her modesty and shynes. When she and Shepard hug upon discovering her father's dead body it felt like time very nearly stood still.

Most interactive from a role-playing perspective: Samara's. Having to unearth the location of Morinth and scouring the Afterlife night club to secure vital pieces of information that can assist you in convincing Morinth to take you home with her so the trap can be sprung is circle within a circle of the hunter becoming the hunted while being allowed to think she is still the hunter (which she very much is, for even as we are hunting her she is still capable of hunting us). The fierce iconic struggle between a mother and her daughter highlights some of the dichotomies in the struggle between good and evil, selfishness and selflessness. Two sides of the same coin yet always apart.

I personally found that most of the loyalty missions had moments where I felt torn emotionally and ethically, giving pause to which course of action to persue. The one clear exception that comes to my mind was Jacob's. I enjoyed his quest too yet it seemed fairly straight forward that his father had done terrible things and didn't raise so much of an ethical question in regards as to whether he should be stopped or not - it seemed more to be a matter of how his machinations should be ended.

 


Yes Mordin as Character just stole the spotlight in the game. Tali made a strong going for there for a moment but when  Shepherds tells him to  look at the dead Krogan woman  the  voice acting was  top notch best i heard in a while.    Tali Mission  made you hurt, you wanted to march in there and  smack most of the Admirals besides  Qwib Qwib... the pompous British Bosh 'tet had the most sense out of all of them .  Of course then when Shepherds reads the Admiralty board the Riot act its wonderfully acted. And Liz dang that girl she can't  be pull on heart strings  the way she does when Tali finds for fathers renegade or paragon you want to hug  her no matter the  Karma 

[Arrtis]

I really doubt tali will have a big part in ME3 since shes killable and even less of a part if shes a squadmate.If you really like her you would want ehr to be a possible npc and have her effect more things.

Also it might have been in this thread but talis dad was never leader of qurians.

[Yazman]

Yeah, you can't not hug Tali She's so huggable



You're spot on with that about Mordin though. So true!

[nitefyre410]

Yazman wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Tali's loyalty mission is the best, so emotionally charged too, and so meaningful with the Tali romance. Garrus' one really made me stop and think Thane's was just really fun to do. I enjoyed the banter between the C-Sec captain and Thane, especially the talks about children.

 

Tali was the Seconds Best, no other mission was as Emotion charged as Mordin's...sorry I love me girl but to watch him go through  rationalizations and try to come to terms with what he did man.     Tali hit me hard because  you saw the little girl inside that still loved her father very much but  the women was bitter over how he showed that love.. 


aahhh hell  they were both great ...I could spend hours just playing both their missions 

Mordin's loyalty was great  Tali's is my favourite, because I love Tali and the stuff between her and Shepard.

But Mordin's really was a great mission.

 

I loved  Tali too but  damn Mordin if was i going to rate them with out biases i have to give to Mordin. 

"I do have  better. I got you."   

"I don't  know whats worst  that he never loved me or  that he did and this was the only way he could show it" 

"Genocide, Extinction all models pointed to war, Turians, Humans bombing,  Genophage only  way saved lives." 

"Mordin Look at the dead woman.. did it save her life?"  

[The_KFD_Case]

Arrtis wrote...

I really doubt tali will have a big part in ME3 since shes killable and even less of a part if shes a squadmate.If you really like her you would want ehr to be a possible npc and have her effect more things.
Also it might have been in this thread but talis dad was never leader of qurians.

Following your logic then none of the characters - none of them, not even Shepard - will have a big part in ME3 because every one of them is killable (yes, even Shepard if you are truly abysmal at building your team). The major appeal of any RPG is to be able to actively interact with and nurture specific characters. This process helps nurture a sense of ownership and investment in those characters. Keeping all of the characters as NPCs, which is what would have to happen following your previously established criteria (i.e. all the characters can be killed and thus should not play major roles in ME3), would diminish the very reason so many people have been drawn in to the ME universe.

As for your claim that Tali's father was never a leader of the Quarians, that is just patently false. Tali's father was an admiral in the Quarian fleet. The highest officer rank attainable in the more powerful of the two ruling bodies that guide and govern the Quarian Flotilla.

Feel free to troll elsewhere.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 10 février 2010 - 11:28 .

[Arrtis]

i liked legion his loyalty mission you made a big decision that hurt your enemies and may have gained you a friend that just increased in power.
Tali's was kinda like that but unsure how that will work since most quarians are divided.
Depends on how you do it.
a dead shep cant be imported in ME3 and storywise wont die again.

Modifié par Arrtis, 10 février 2010 - 11:29 .

[nitefyre410]

Webkahve wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yazman wrote...

Tali's loyalty mission is the best, so emotionally charged too, and so meaningful with the Tali romance. Garrus' one really made me stop and think Thane's was just really fun to do. I enjoyed the banter between the C-Sec captain and Thane, especially the talks about children.

 

Tali was the Seconds Best, no other mission was as Emotion charged as Mordin's...sorry I love me girl but to watch him go through  rationalizations and try to come to terms with what he did man.     Tali hit me hard because  you saw the little girl inside that still loved her father very much but  the women was bitter over how he showed that love.. 


aahhh hell  they were both great ...I could spend hours just playing both their missions 

you should check the codex for salarians and emotions imho. Tali is the best without a doupt.
and mordin was really funny.

 


Yes I already know  short life span, cause them to psychologically process and deal with Emotions a lot faster   Still does not change the fact that his Mission was just as Emotionally Charged as Tali's .. While Tali's had more emotional dramatic moments. Weight of  what Mordin has to live with, the guilt, and regret behind it all. That fact that he Forced himself  to see the after effects.  Look  Tali is still my Favorite  ME character and  Mordin was more than just funny 

[lordfrikk]

Anxious enunciation: Thread approaching end of the wall again.

[The_KFD_Case]

Arrtis wrote...

i liked legion his loyalty mission you made a big decision that hurt your enemies and may have gained you a friend that just increased in power.
Tali's was kinda like that but unsure how that will work since most quarians are divided.
Depends on how you do it.
a dead shep cant be imported in ME3 and storywise wont die again.

Fair enough.

You are right: A dead Shepard can't be imported in to ME3 which is why if you manage to kill your Shepard during "Suicide Run" in ME2, you will be handed a new, vanilla-version Shepard in ME3 without the benefit of all of the decisions your previous Shepard made in ME2 (and ME1 if you imported that Shepard to ME2). Essentially BioWare resets your character and decide how major and minor plots points from the two previous games played out for you. Yet none of this changes the fact that you think characters that can die in ME2 should not have major roles in ME3. Ergo, Shepard - who is killable in ME2 - is part of that list and that is why your argument fails and you fail as a troll.

Next.

[Arrtis]

If only everyone played RPGs for the reasons you said sadly this is not true.

[nitefyre410]

 

The_KFD_Case wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

i liked legion his loyalty mission you made a big decision that hurt your enemies and may have gained you a friend that just increased in power.
Tali's was kinda like that but unsure how that will work since most quarians are divided.
Depends on how you do it.
a dead shep cant be imported in ME3 and storywise wont die again.

Fair enough.

You are right: A dead Shepard can't be imported in to ME3 which is why if you manage to kill your Shepard during "Suicide Run" in ME2, you will be handed a new, vanilla-version Shepard in ME3 without the benefit of all of the decisions your previous Shepard made in ME2 (and ME1 if you imported that Shepard to ME2). Essentially BioWare resets your character and decide how major and minor plots points from the two previous games played out for you. Yet none of this changes the fact that you think characters that can die in ME2 should not have major roles in ME3. Ergo, Shepard - who is killable in ME2 - is part of that list and that is why your argument fails and you fail as a troll.

Next.

 

KFD  why does he KEEP trying to test our knowledge of the ME 1 and  ME 2 canon and how the game plays out anyways  

Anyone up for some more Mass Effect radio its a new day a blizzard baring down the  Mid Atlantic US, I have not been to work in Almost a week... might as well party like is the end of the world 

[Yazman]

Just ignore Arrtis. He's a no-good trll and he will just come up with any oldcrap to keep you going. Ignore him

[Arrtis]

If you think of how BW is gonna do things in the next game they really cant have killable squadmates to have a major role as it would mean for some people would lose a large part of the game.They are probably gonna have as much impact as zaeed did.
i think i accidently killed this thread...whoops.

Modifié par Arrtis, 10 février 2010 - 11:54 .

[Exploding8]

Tali needs a Thread Bump D:

[Yazman]

lordfrikk wrote...

Anxious enunciation: Thread approaching end of the wall again.

Wall? What do you mean? You mean we're hitting the old mark when it got closed soon?

[Elastica]

Yep. We're almost at 300 pages.

[Exploding8]

Probably meant the thread needed a bump, like it did before I posted ;P

Wait, 300 pages was the limit? We'll need a 3.0 

Modifié par Exploding8, 10 février 2010 - 12:06 .

[Arrtis]

Tali is probably gonna play a little role in ME3.They do not wanna exclude people too much.They will do that later with new games as they build the fans numbers and ensure a certain amount of profit.

If that makes more sense.

[Pauravi]

Arrtis wrote...

I really doubt tali will have a big part in ME3 since shes killable and even less of a part if shes a squadmate.If you really like her you would want ehr to be a possible npc and have her effect more things.
Also it might have been in this thread but talis dad was never leader of qurians.

Highly disagree with this evaluation.
Every character except one is killable so far (Liara), so they would need a whole new cast.  Not only is that a lot of work, but they would decrease people's emotional involvement in the story.  They've already come out and said that they want to continue the relationships with surviving characters.  It also would completely defeat the point of the last mission in ME2 if they just got rid of all of the characters.  Really the ONLY defensible reason you might make that assumption is that they wouldn't want to "waste" resources by voicing characters that some people may not see.

But even that isn't a good reason.  First, it would defeat the idea of having consequences to player decisions (a major point of even making the game a trilogy), and second, it simply increases replayability.  If you finish ME3 after having Garrus, Jack, and Thane die in ME2, it may just motivate you to replay ME2 and carry those characters into ME3 to experience their stories.  Since many people will likely do multiple playthroughs, none of the voice acting is really "wasted"... people will eventually experience much of it, just not all on the same character.

I expect most surviving ME1 and 2 characters to return with full roles and dialogue, possibly minus a few that have good reason to leave (Wrex, Samara/Morinth, for instance).

[ComTrav]

Last thread was 380 before it was locked, though they might lock this one earlier....I don't they expected the last one to grow as fast as it did.



Getting your thread locked for size is an accomplishment....*sighs* someday, someday....

[Yazman]

Guys, please don't reply to Arrtis. H's trolling. Just ignore him, feeding the trolls.



I'm so sickof you posting in here Arrtis. Please just leave. Stop trying to ruin our thread!!