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[The_KFD_Case]

marshalleck wrote...

Chaos VI wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

It was absolutely worth it. I highly approve of how they handled the romance, and really showed us Tali's perspective, her emotions about having to spend her whole life cut off from a world of sensations that everyone else takes for granted.

From reading some of the threads before the game came out, and some of the developer commentary, I was almost afraid the suits would be retconned, like they're really no big deal. Just some casual affectation. But that was clearly not the case. Hearing Tali talk about being unable to do something as simple as smell a flower, and her anguish over that, was heartbreaking. And of course it made the eventual culmination of the romance so much more significant. There is sensuality to the Tali romance, of course, but there is also a very deep emotional connection and commitment to Shepard that I feel is lacking in some of the other romances.

Agreed. As mentioned previously, Miranda - while in possession of her own merits - strikes me more as "sex just for the sake of sex" as opposed to the deep and endearing connection we can establish with Tali that also comes with a nice dose of sensuality to boot.

I agree whole heartily with you KFD. One night stand, and Jack = One night stand. Tali was the only one that actually had any meaning behind it.

I don't think I agree about Miranda. Obviously she has the more...titillating...romance scene, but she undergoes some important transformations as a result of her relationship with Shepard as well. I haven't done Jack's romance yet so I won't comment on that one. I do think every romance I've explored in ME2 is better than their ME1 counterparts. It was very easy for me to create an entire batch of ME1 Sheps for import with no romances. Honestly, I am not curious about those characters or how their romances may play out in ME3*, not in the slightest. ME2, definitely.

* I support their inclusion because I believe all fans should have satisfying closure to their Shep's romances, but I personally won't be exploring them.

I agree with you that the romance options in ME2 are vastly improved over ME1 (though I did like the romance options in ME1). The romance scene with Miranda still strikes me as basically a "booty call" in Engineering. That Miranda has more to offer than that does not change the feel of that scene, not for me at least - it lacks emotional intimacy in my eyes though it has physical intimacy. Jack's romance scene has both and is one of the best made romance scenes in ME2, IMO. It comes close to rivalling Tali's.

The more romance options the better, as far as I'm concerned. Let people have their choice - it ends up being a win-win situation for everyone involved, including BioWare.

[marshalleck]

Mokthr wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Chaos VI wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

It was absolutely worth it. I highly approve of how they handled the romance, and really showed us Tali's perspective, her emotions about having to spend her whole life cut off from a world of sensations that everyone else takes for granted.

From reading some of the threads before the game came out, and some of the developer commentary, I was almost afraid the suits would be retconned, like they're really no big deal. Just some casual affectation. But that was clearly not the case. Hearing Tali talk about being unable to do something as simple as smell a flower, and her anguish over that, was heartbreaking. And of course it made the eventual culmination of the romance so much more significant. There is sensuality to the Tali romance, of course, but there is also a very deep emotional connection and commitment to Shepard that I feel is lacking in some of the other romances.

Agreed. As mentioned previously, Miranda - while in possession of her own merits - strikes me more as "sex just for the sake of sex" as opposed to the deep and endearing connection we can establish with Tali that also comes with a nice dose of sensuality to boot.

I agree whole heartily with you KFD. One night stand, and Jack = One night stand. Tali was the only one that actually had any meaning behind it.

I don't think I agree about Miranda. Obviously she has the more...titillating...romance scene, but she undergoes some important transformations as a result of her relationship with Shepard as well. I haven't done Jack's romance yet so I won't comment on that one. I do think every romance I've explored in ME2 is better than their ME1 counterparts. It was very easy for me to create an entire batch of ME1 Sheps for import with no romances. Honestly, I am not curious about those characters or how their romances may play out in ME3*, not in the slightest. ME2, definitely.

* I support their inclusion because I believe all fans should have satisfying closure to their Shep's romances, but I personally won't be exploring them.

I agree, I really like Tali's romance, but Miranda and Jack's romances were very well done too. I don't believe they were just one night stands. All of the romances are pretty emotional on some level. 

Other than Tali's romance, I'd have to say Thane's is my next favorite. So sad

Yeah, if any romances in Mass Effect were one-night stands, it was Ash/Kaidan/Liara.

I'm not saying I would agree to characterize them as such, but if I were forced at gun-point to call a romance in ME a one-night stand, it would be those.

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 février 2010 - 12:19 .

[Chaos VI]

DeathsHands5 wrote...

Hmmm.

Personally, I don't think James Cameron's Mass Effect would work. He does great plot presentation, but that's it. No substance.

BioWare does that and way more.

You can't just make movies on entire games. You need to make a movie on something that hasn't been experienced. Like The Morning War or Krogan Rebellian or Rachni Wars. That would be bamf. So the director doesn't have to follow something like George Lucas did with the first aweful Star Wars (Eps 1-3).

[The_KFD_Case]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Scalpels wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

MarineBorn wrote...

i wish ME3 had it were tali would talk to you on her own and like the crew would walk around instead of sitting in one spot u know, like tali would be talking to joker and youd walk up and shed start a conversation with you like "do you think my but looks big" lol you kno what i mean more in depth crew

I know, a more interactive crew would be nice. I'd kind of like it if joker teased you about your LI, or maybe EDI tells you how she watched the whole thing and admires your technique. Something to laugh about and make you a little uncomfortable at the same time.

This!

BioWare, make it so.

Was thinking "voyeur" during love scene. Elusive Man is pervert. Wished had reassurance that bugs removed from area. Though. Some individuals believe voyeurs enhance experience...

The Illusive Man, or TIM, for short.
The Doctor is In.

TIM, yeah that's a given

"Shepherd, nice work with Tali last night, though it's not how I would've done it."
"Tha- Waint what!?"

Then again, EDI does like seeing Humans (and probably other organics) on their knees, make of that what you will

ME brownie points for you, sir!

[Leviathan036]

This isn't how I feel but its good for those whom are single and alone and wishing Tali was real.

I figured it fits well.



Artist: Korn

"Vermillion, Pt. 2"



She seemed dressed in all of me, stretched across my shame.

All the torment and the pain

Leaked through and covered me

I'd do anything to have her to myself

Just to have her for myself

Now I don't know what to do, I don't know what to do when she makes me sane.



She is everything to me

The unrequited dream

A song that no one sings

The unattainable, Shes a myth that I have to believe in

All I need to make it real is one more reason

I don't know what to do, I don't know what to do when she makes me sad.



But I won't let this build up inside of me

I won't let this build up inside of me

I won't let this build up inside of me

I won't let this build up inside of me



A catch in my throat choke

Torn into pieces

I won't, no!

I don't wanna be this...



But I won't let this build up inside of me

I won't let this build up inside of me

I won't let this build up inside of me

I won't let this build up inside of me



She isn't real

I can't make her real

She isn't real

I can't make her real

[Lord_Moose]

Maybe i'll Try a Fanfiction.



I'll call it After Effect.

[The_KFD_Case]

knight5923 wrote...

Ladies and Gents,
I'm back and, thanks god, I'm not wearing pants! but on to bweesness:
The third chapter of my fanfic is now online. Chapter 3 is available here, links to all chapters are here. Thanks for all the support everyone, I really appreciate the comments. This one's a little shorter, but it's got some humour, and lotsa drama/emotion, so I hope you enjoy

Welcome back, Knight. Good to have ya here once more.

[Admiral-165]

DeathsHands5 wrote...

Hmmm.

Personally, I don't think James Cameron's Mass Effect would work. He does great plot presentation, but that's it. No substance.

BioWare does that and way more.

Yeah i agree, Avatar was good and the visual effects were epic but the story was so cliché... although it was an interesting setting and awesome environment, i think that movie worked though, it retold an old story in a new setting...

I don't know if ME could be made into a movie though... since theres more than one LI if they choose one LI in the movie certain people will be angry, and of course theres so many different options to choose from in the game i don't think they could make a Mass Effect movie.

However if they came up with a totally new story (a certain amount of years before or after the ME games take place) then it would be more succesful.

[cdsmith0]

[quote]Admiral-165 wrote...

[quote]cdsmith0 wrote...


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I'm not worried about BioWare dropping the ball. To date, every single BioWare game I have played has delivered an ending worthy of the game it was in; complete with closure and all. Gauging from that track record it seems unlikely indeed that BioWare will stumble with ME3.

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I still worry something awful about Tali getting the shaft and they don't give a closure to the romance[/quote]

they will... remember any romance options in ME2 will have reprecussions in ME3 right? so that means Tali will be in ME3, the only thing we need to worry about is whether or not she'll be a squad mate... but after these threads she has to be...[/quote]


Agreed...but most of all I want to actually have a Love story with her.....and actually developed love story outside of just courting and sleeping with her....she deserves better than that as an amazing character...

I need that so I know that the shep i have in my mind and heart is developed and gets closure with the one LI that fits with him the best in my mind

[Mokunibw]

Oh My loveee

[The_KFD_Case]

DeathsHands5 wrote...

Hmmm.

Personally, I don't think James Cameron's Mass Effect would work. He does great plot presentation, but that's it. No substance.

BioWare does that and way more.

Agreed.

[Mokthr]

Admiral-165 wrote...

DeathsHands5 wrote...

Hmmm.

Personally, I don't think James Cameron's Mass Effect would work. He does great plot presentation, but that's it. No substance.

BioWare does that and way more.

Yeah i agree, Avatar was good and the visual effects were epic but the story was so cliché... although it was an interesting setting and awesome environment, i think that movie worked though, it retold an old story in a new setting...

I don't know if ME could be made into a movie though... since theres more than one LI if they choose one LI in the movie certain people will be angry, and of course theres so many different options to choose from in the game i don't think they could make a Mass Effect movie.

However if they came up with a totally new story (a certain amount of years before or after the ME games take place) then it would be more succesful.

There are a lot of other stories in the mass effect universe that they could use to make a movie. Like the First Contact War, The genocide of the Protheans, and how the Reapers came to be, just to name a few.

[AkA-AmdusciA_]

Lord_Moose wrote...

Maybe i'll Try a Fanfiction.

I'll call it After Effect.

Haha sry but I had to laugh xD
In German "after" means "anus", sounded like a bad porn title lol

[Admiral-165]

Leviathan036 wrote...

This isn't how I feel but its good for those whom are single and alone and wishing Tali was real.
I figured it fits well.

Artist: Korn
"Vermillion, Pt. 2"

(snip)

hmmm, Korn is cool. i was thinking about some Rammstein songs before (namely Ohne Dich which means Without You) but i was told off by pretty much everyone because they thought Rammstein wasn't a good band... although most of their songs have questionable content some of them are really really good.

just search on youtube Rammstein Ohne Dich and click the one with english lyrics, the lyrics are really good...

[Scalpels]

Himmelstor wrote...

Scalpels wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

MarineBorn wrote...

i wish ME3 had it were tali would talk to you on her own and like the crew would walk around instead of sitting in one spot u know, like tali would be talking to joker and youd walk up and shed start a conversation with you like "do you think my but looks big" lol you kno what i mean more in depth crew

I know, a more interactive crew would be nice. I'd kind of like it if joker teased you about your LI, or maybe EDI tells you how she watched the whole thing and admires your technique. Something to laugh about and make you a little uncomfortable at the same time.

This!

BioWare, make it so.

Was thinking "voyeur" during love scene. Elusive Man is pervert. Wished had reassurance that bugs removed from area. Though. Some individuals believe voyeurs enhance experience...

The Illusive Man, or TIM, for short.
The Doctor is In.

Keelah Se'la Doctor. Appreciate correction.

General question: Voice modification. What could an individual use during cosplay? Seeking answers for big project.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Chaos VI wrote...

You can't just make movies on entire games. You need to make a movie on something that hasn't been experienced. Like The Morning War or Krogan Rebellian or Rachni Wars. That would be bamf. So the director doesn't have to follow something like George Lucas did with the first aweful Star Wars (Eps 1-3).

I'm gonna hafta agree with you, for the most part. I've never really thought Mass Effect would translate well into a movie, since so much of what makes it great is player choice - something movies cannot replicate. But the thought of a movie based on the Mass Effect universe, but not directly based on the game's plot is certainly an interesting thought. It seems unlikely to actually happen, though.

Oh, and off topic: I hate people bashing the Star Wars prequels. -__-; No, they're not near as good as the originals, but they are not terrible movies, and I love how they expand the world of Star Wars. I love most things Star Wars, really. It is my greatest sci-fi love, though Mass Effect is coming close to topping it... a feat it may just achieve when 3 comes out.

[The_KFD_Case]

Chaos VI wrote...

DeathsHands5 wrote...

Hmmm.

Personally, I don't think James Cameron's Mass Effect would work. He does great plot presentation, but that's it. No substance.

BioWare does that and way more.

You can't just make movies on entire games. You need to make a movie on something that hasn't been experienced. Like The Morning War or Krogan Rebellian or Rachni Wars. That would be bamf. So the director doesn't have to follow something like George Lucas did with the first aweful Star Wars (Eps 1-3).

Say, that's not a bad idea at all. Quick! Write to BioWare!

If not for a movie, it could be used for more games set in the ME universe.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 11 février 2010 - 12:26 .

[FsDxRAGE]

ok im back. miss anything glorious?

[turelhimvampire]

Thanks The_KFD_Case!



If ever a ME movie were to be made I'd rather it be the First Contact War. It makes sense as a perfect entry point into a potential franchise, and would allow all species bar humans and turians to have minimal screen time and thus reduce the special effects budget - as the hardest part of special effects is to computer generate a living, breathing person - no matter the species.

[marshalleck]

cdsmith0 wrote...

Agreed...but most of all I want to actually have a Love story with her.....and actually developed love story outside of just courting and sleeping with her....she deserves better than that as an amazing character...

I need that so I know that the shep i have in my mind and heart is developed and gets closure with the one LI that fits with him the best in my mind

I don't know, from playing other Bioware games I know they are capable of treating romance sub-plots as more than Bond girls. Even if the ME2 LIs aren't squad mates in ME3, I think they will all have a satisfying end, should you work toward it.

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 février 2010 - 12:26 .

[Brahlis]

It took less than a week to get the thread post back to where the old thread was, lol.

[Admiral-165]

AkA-AmdusciA wrote...

Lord_Moose wrote...

Maybe i'll Try a Fanfiction.

I'll call it After Effect.

Haha sry but I had to laugh xD
In German "after" means "anus", sounded like a bad porn title lol

German is such a cool language... Ich bin ein Berliner
you can also see so many similarites between German and English.
Mutter and Mother
hast and have (shakespereian english also uses hast as meaning have as well)
hund and dog/hound (did i spell hund right?)

anyways yeah, Tali is awesome.

[The_KFD_Case]

AkA-AmdusciA wrote...

Lord_Moose wrote...

Maybe i'll Try a Fanfiction.

I'll call it After Effect.

Haha sry but I had to laugh xD
In German "after" means "anus", sounded like a bad porn title lol

[Chaos VI]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Chaos VI wrote...

You can't just make movies on entire games. You need to make a movie on something that hasn't been experienced. Like The Morning War or Krogan Rebellian or Rachni Wars. That would be bamf. So the director doesn't have to follow something like George Lucas did with the first aweful Star Wars (Eps 1-3).

I'm gonna hafta agree with you, for the most part. I've never really thought Mass Effect would translate well into a movie, since so much of what makes it great is player choice - something movies cannot replicate. But the thought of a movie based on the Mass Effect universe, but not directly based on the game's plot is certainly an interesting thought. It seems unlikely to actually happen, though.

Oh, and off topic: I hate people bashing the Star Wars prequels. -__-; No, they're not near as good as the originals, but they are not terrible movies, and I love how they expand the world of Star Wars. I love most things Star Wars, really. It is my greatest sci-fi love, though Mass Effect is coming close to topping it... a feat it may just achieve when 3 comes out.

They weren't terrible bad, but senor George Lucas shot himself in the foot making the 4, 5, 6 movied first. But that's besides the fact. There's so much left open for ME3. I wonder how Bioware is gonna top ME2. But I guess they got EA now which has uddles of money, so anything possible.