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[turelhimvampire]

Kal'reeger is the fooken man - he's the quarian version of Jayne Cobb from Firefly for Keelah's sake!



Seriously, I see him as having a bit of a sweet spot for Tali, but only so far as that all the other members of the Haestrom team (who were Tali's friends, don't forget) were men, as far as I remember.



It's like this - he was in charge of a marine team there simply to protect Tali. They all became friends during the missions they went on, and with Kal being in charge, HE was responsible for Tali's well being, and if anything had happened to her he'd be the one reporting to Rael'Zorah, not any of the other marines.



As each of the marines died on Haestrom their bond would only grow. He's a good man, but simply a friend. Anyone can see that.

[SirEmilCrane]

Admiral-165 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Where did you find that Kal'Reegar avatar?

It's a custom avatar, they take forever to upload the site, i'm still waiting for mine to upload...

Damn, oh wells, I'll stick with Emil Cousiland

[MasterMegatron]

Archetype, not stereotype.

Modifié par MasterMegatron, 15 février 2010 - 04:34 .

[tykfa1990]

Divulse456 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

XX55XX wrote...



So Tali was built out of a stereotype. Makes sense.

Aye, but 'tis a mighty fine stereotype

I think archetype might be the word you're looking for.  If so, then I agree.  All great characters in literature share qualities with an archetype.  And Tali is truly a great character, and BioWare has advanced game design to an art.

That was my point in it. Tali isn't a cliche character. She has her own motives, story. But she shows similarities to the archetypical "hidden beeauty" ( if I may call it like this ).

[Divulse456]

XX55XX wrote...

So, the reason why Tali is so popular is because she represents the stereotype of a strong, yet gentle woman that everyone wants to be with.

I need to look for this stereotype in other books/media as well. Is it common?

Gyaah.

Stereotype vs. archetype.

[SirEmilCrane]

tykfa1990 wrote...

Divulse456 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

XX55XX wrote...



So Tali was built out of a stereotype. Makes sense.

Aye, but 'tis a mighty fine stereotype

I think archetype might be the word you're looking for.  If so, then I agree.  All great characters in literature share qualities with an archetype.  And Tali is truly a great character, and BioWare has advanced game design to an art.

That was my point in it. Tali isn't a cliche character. She has her own motives, story. But she shows similarities to the archetypical "hidden beeauty" ( if I may call it like this ).

Of course. He love plot is archetypical in that she's the one in the shadows watching the commander but not getting noticed, until now.

[The_KFD_Case]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Guys chill out, kennith is not going to make a pass at the commander's girlfirend, not when he has gabby

They are a right pair those two! I find their interactions amusing.

Kenneth: "Commander, I don't want to bore you with the details....garbledegucktechnicalrabblebabbleblahblahblah"

Gabby: "Kenneth! You're boring the commander."

Yeah, they spend all that time down in the engineering alone...

Though someone somewhere suggested Ken, gabby and Tali, implications disturbing

Sooner or later you're going to have to trust someone. If you can't trust a true and tried old crewmate and new found lover then odds are you may be in a spot of trouble.

[A Blind Bandit]

Wow. 20,000 posts. Awesome! Keep it up! Keelah Se'lai

[SirEmilCrane]

anyway, I'm, gonna go play ME2 isntead of talking about it.



Keelah Se'Lai

[XX55XX]

Divulse456 wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

So, the reason why Tali is so popular is because she represents the stereotype of a strong, yet gentle woman that everyone wants to be with.

I need to look for this stereotype in other books/media as well. Is it common?

Gyaah.

Stereotype vs. archetype.

Ah! Thank you for making that distinction for me. These words rarely crop up in my daily usage, so I tend to blend both terms together, using them interchangeably.

Tali doesn't fit into a known stereotype yes, but there are subtle similarities between her and many other female characters that danced on the great stage of human culture...

[Haventh]

tykfa1990 wrote...

Hey, have you heard all the engineers talking's between NPC only? There may be few cool things said about Tali in it. Actually I only saw the male speaking of Tali's looks. He also mentioned
"her suit being tight in right places" Tali: "You realize, that I hear everything?".

Yeah, i love those engineers. If you want a  laugh, head down to engineering...

[MasterMegatron]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Guys chill out, kennith is not going to make a pass at the commander's girlfirend, not when he has gabby

They are a right pair those two! I find their interactions amusing.

Kenneth: "Commander, I don't want to bore you with the details....garbledegucktechnicalrabblebabbleblahblahblah"

Gabby: "Kenneth! You're boring the commander."

Yeah, they spend all that time down in the engineering alone...

Though someone somewhere suggested Ken, gabby and Tali, implications disturbing

Sooner or later you're going to have to trust someone. If you can't trust a true and tried old crewmate and new found lover then odds are you may be in a spot of trouble.

Yeah. Kal'Reegar and Ken are no threat to Commander freaking Shepard.

[danteshepard]

Hypothetical question: If you were still unable to have Tali in any of the ME games who would you want to have her instead? Personally, I rather like the idea of having Tali with Garrus if not with me. And I'm fairly sure I'd be leaving her in good hands.

[Litos456]

Alright guys I'm off to play pool, later

[Haventh]

I like Garrus, but if he takes my Tali i am throwing him out of the airlock.

Litos456 wrote...

Alright guys I'm off to play pool, later

Keelah Se'lai

Modifié par Haventh, 15 février 2010 - 04:48 .

[danteshepard]

Litos456 wrote...

Alright guys I'm off to play pool, later

Keelah Sa'-freaking-lai Litos

[MasterMegatron]

danteshepard wrote...

Hypothetical question: If you were still unable to have Tali in any of the ME games who would you want to have her instead? Personally, I rather like the idea of having Tali with Garrus if not with me. And I'm fairly sure I'd be leaving her in good hands.

Garrus is a good choice. Jacob may not be bad, either.

Anyway, as long as she's happy with that person, it's cool.

[Huacaya]

Is legion way out? hehehe

[Driving Ghost]

MasterMegatron wrote...

danteshepard wrote...

Hypothetical question: If you were still unable to have Tali in any of the ME games who would you want to have her instead? Personally, I rather like the idea of having Tali with Garrus if not with me. And I'm fairly sure I'd be leaving her in good hands.

Garrus is a good choice. Jacob may not be bad, either.

Anyway, as long as she's happy with that person, it's cool.

I doubt she'll get along with Garrus


With legion on the other side... That will be super fun! I'll even install a camera!

[danteshepard]

Driving Ghost wrote...

MasterMegatron wrote...

danteshepard wrote...

Hypothetical question: If you were still unable to have Tali in any of the ME games who would you want to have her instead? Personally, I rather like the idea of having Tali with Garrus if not with me. And I'm fairly sure I'd be leaving her in good hands.

Garrus is a good choice. Jacob may not be bad, either.

Anyway, as long as she's happy with that person, it's cool.

I doubt she'll get along with Garrus


With legion on the other side... That will be super fun! I'll even install a camera!

Indeed legion would make for some great dramatic tension.

[onlyonesock]

 Can you please vote in this poll for a name for Legion's combat drone. Tali's has a name, so why not Legion?

[Haventh]

Having the action in front of your eyes is much better. If Legion takes my Tali i will destroy the Geth and hand Legion to the Reapers.

onlyonesock wrote...

 Can you please vote in this poll for a name for Legion's combat drone. Tali's has a name, so why not Legion?

On it, Legion rocks!

Modifié par Haventh, 15 février 2010 - 04:55 .

[Divulse456]

XX55XX wrote...

Ah! Thank you for making that distinction for me. These words rarely crop up in my daily usage, so I tend to blend both terms together, using them interchangeably.

Tali doesn't fit into a known stereotype yes, but there are subtle similarities between her and many other female characters that danced on the great stage of human culture...

No prob.  And you're right about Tali's character.  I think that, for modern literature, characters still need to take major traits from different archetypes.  But it's very much a part of 20th (and now 21st) century literature to toy with these different types and see how it changes the nature of the story's conflict.  Good sci-fi in particular has been doing it for many years, and Mass Effect is no less interesting in its character construction than many of the best sci-fi authors/moviemakers.

Modifié par Divulse456, 15 février 2010 - 04:58 .

[tykfa1990]

danteshepard wrote...

Driving Ghost wrote...

MasterMegatron wrote...

danteshepard wrote...

Hypothetical question: If you were still unable to have Tali in any of the ME games who would you want to have her instead? Personally, I rather like the idea of having Tali with Garrus if not with me. And I'm fairly sure I'd be leaving her in good hands.

Garrus is a good choice. Jacob may not be bad, either.

Anyway, as long as she's happy with that person, it's cool.

I doubt she'll get along with Garrus


With legion on the other side... That will be super fun! I'll even install a camera!

Indeed legion would make for some great dramatic tension.

Erm. Garrus with his dextro-aminoacid DNA? Could be tragic for Tali. Jacob would make a good chice if you wanted to have someone to protect her from harm. But as a lover? Nah.. seems not right.

About Legion, the other Quarian's could start thinking of her as a traitor. Thane maybe? He need some care from such a nice person like Tali, and he surely is a strong warrior. Could eliminate threat's before Tali even sees them.

[Olyvar Targaryen]

Admiral-165 wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Where did you find that Kal'Reegar avatar?

It's a custom avatar, they take forever to upload the site, i'm still waiting for mine to upload...

Check this out
http://social.bioware.com/78720/blog/