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Tali: Uhhhh, Sheaperd, are you sure about this

Sheaperd: Ofcorse! This medicen is sure to help!

Tali: If you say so. But dont you think I'm taking a bit to much?

Sheaperd: No come on Tali, trust me!

Tali: Fine, ok sorry I asked, well see you latter.

Sheaperd: See you in 48 hours!

Sheaperd looks down at the medicen bottle.

WARGINING! If taken in excess side effects can apper in 48 hours, if you get any of these see a docter: Naussea, Diarea, Running Nose, Upset stomach, and SWELLING OR TENERNESS O THE BREAST MY OCCUR!


Sheaperd: Image IPB

......I'm pretty sure no matter how big her breasts get...she aint gona be looking good with the other side effects...besides she doesnt need big ones like miranda she has the personality of a GoddessImage IPB.......and NO MIRANDA THEY CAN GENETICALLY ENAHANCE YOUR PERSONALITY!!

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Assistance necessary. Need title for chapter on Legion recovery, Tali present.

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MarineBorn wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Saberwolf116 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

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...So is it safe to say we've got Tali in ME3...?

Very likely.

The Doctor is In.
And still working on fanfic part eight.

You're gonna make Mr. Badass go all paragon on us, aren't you?

All? Impossible. Can't suddenly change 180 degrees.


more true words were never spoken, no one can change that drasticallyImage IPB


I used to be a smooth peanut butter guy.  A couple weeks ago, I tried crunchy peanut butter. 
BAM 180 FRIKKIN DEGREE TURN IN MY LIFE!

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Himmelstor wrote...

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Guh.
I wonder if curing the scars has an effect on your Reneade score...
Really shouldve chopped his balls off for that info T.T
>>

No. Just makes less obvious.


I've cut back on my Renegade too much, i dont know if i'll be able to resolve the Tali-Legion fight!
Damn, i was able to do so against Miranda and Jack!

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Well yes, and no.  I would think that if "Shepard's bacteria" were some static, unchanging quantity then theoretically yes, eventually her immune system would adapt to the ever-present biologic matter.  This of course provided something silly didn't happen, like some random Quarian sneezing on Shepard's sleeve and making him an unknowing carrier of Quarian ebola or something, that would then infect Tali in a real sense, rather than an immuno reaction to foreign biologic matter.  Would make her SICK sick, not just symptoms of an immuno response sick.

Therein lies the problem though.  With Quarians and their suit linkage, the things each Quarian is being exposed to remains contant.  There isn't some new and exciting bacterium sneaking it's way in passed the seals of one suit and taxing their immune systems further.  It's presumably a steady, slow adaptation to biologic matter that is ever-present and unchanging within those self contained environments, until eventually they each are well enough adapted to the other that they may be suitless in the same scrubbed environment, such as in birthings.

Shepard's issue is that he is by default, suitless.  The biologic matter he carries is not a constant.  He could shake someone's hand one day, pick up some new and exciting germs.  Lean against a bulkhead the next thinking over a report he's read, more new and exciting germs.  And each time Tali and Shepard share a moment, her immune system will be taxed with the job of isolating and adapting to/destroying the new and exciting germs. 

So while Tali may eventually be able to adapt to Shepard's normal compliment of tiny and nasties, her immune system will be continually bombarded by the biologic matter that he is unwittingly exposed to every day.  Her immune system will never be able to adapt fully, as it would not know what would be getting thrown at it the next day.

Unless of course your Shepard, like mine, is 100% willing to sport a ziplock-suit for the rest of his days for his Tali :wub:

Would still make easier on immune system each time. Reduce number of bacteria to have reaction to. Would never be fully immune due to random bacteria, but overall chances should reduce.


Interesting, wish I'd thought more on that before...


A small question to pose though: Do you think that Shepard's cybernetic modifications would in any way affect things? I have not even looked into that myself, but it was something that just came to mind. I doubt it would have too much of an impact, but I don't know the extent of his modifications. Any facts about this I may be missing?

I'll look at some codex later as well.

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i dont know. i would like to see the relationship between Tali and Shepard explored more.



agreed

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Hey Hader, just wanted to say thanks for going out of your way to post more info about this Topic. It's always something that facinated me, though I have no strong suit for Science. I always pay attention to the posts that go in depth on the subject of the differences in Amino Acids, DNA chains, so on and so forth. I enjoy it because it really helps me better understand just how much Trust and Effort Tali is putting into being with Shepard, and how much love, patience, and understanding Shepard must have to be able to wait and not feel frustrated at the long periods of time both he and Tali would have to wait before they could be intimate again. Judging from the Easter Egg conversation in the New Game+ it seems Tali only comes down with a touch of the Flu from making Love to Shepard, so no worries that it was fatal or anything of the sort. That does bring me to a question though. Tali mentions, during her initial Romantic Conversation with Shepard, that the Act of linking one's Suit to another entails trust, because the Quarian in question is risking either a mild sickness or worse to be closer to said person; however, after a time, the Quarian would build up a resistance to the other Quarian's native bactieria and it would not be a hazard for them to be together in the same clean room suit-less. My question then is this: If Tali and Shepard continue to be together sexualy, would Tali eventually become resistant to Shepard's Bacteria, there by allowing them to be together more often without her coming down with any kind of Illness? Thanks in advance if you look this up.
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I'm not completely sure on that one. Conceptually, it seems quite plausible that her immune system would eventually become more and more used to Shepard in that way. However, Shepard is still human, there may or may not be some hurdles that can't really be overcome by her immune system. I'm not really sure, as the only real knowledge I have of the Quarian immune system and all is from what I have heard Tali say ingame, and I don't have that all memorized. The best I can say now is that what you think is a likely outcome, but not 100% certain in either drection. I'd have to look into it some more. I'm still delving into a lot of this myself, in between playing ME2 and other work I have.




Well yes, and no.  I would think that if "Shepard's bacteria" were some static, unchanging quantity then theoretically yes, eventually her immune system would adapt to the ever-present biologic matter.  This of course provided something silly didn't happen, like some random Quarian sneezing on Shepard's sleeve and making him an unknowing carrier of Quarian ebola or something, that would then infect Tali in a real sense, rather than an immuno reaction to foreign biologic matter.  Would make her SICK sick, not just symptoms of an immuno response sick.

Therein lies the problem though.  With Quarians and their suit linkage, the things each Quarian is being exposed to remains contant.  There isn't some new and exciting bacterium sneaking it's way in passed the seals of one suit and taxing their immune systems further.  It's presumably a steady, slow adaptation to biologic matter that is ever-present and unchanging within those self contained environments, until eventually they each are well enough adapted to the other that they may be suitless in the same scrubbed environment, such as in birthings.

Shepard's issue is that he is by default, suitless.  The biologic matter he carries is not a constant.  He could shake someone's hand one day, pick up some new and exciting germs.  Lean against a bulkhead the next thinking over a report he's read, more new and exciting germs.  And each time Tali and Shepard share a moment, her immune system will be taxed with the job of isolating and adapting to/destroying the new and exciting germs. 

So while Tali may eventually be able to adapt to Shepard's normal compliment of tiny and nasties, her immune system will be continually bombarded by the biologic matter that he is unwittingly exposed to every day.  Her immune system will never be able to adapt fully, as it would not know what would be getting thrown at it the next day.

Unless of course your Shepard, like mine, is 100% willing to sport a ziplock-suit for the rest of his days for his Tali :wub:



That was a heck of a comprehensive over-view. Thank you for that. Well, from what little I understand of Biology and the Theories behind Xeno-Biology, the conclusion you reached is about as much as I figured the resulting outcome would be. Though I understand that Shepard could be introduced, on a regular basis, to new Foreign containminants, would said contanminants remain solely on Shepard's Skin, or would they find thier way into his blood stream, fluidic system, etc? If not, well, would it not be feesible than for Shepard to say...simply take a decon-Shower before making Love to Tali, so as to not introduce any microbes she is not already familiar with on a Biological level?

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Himmelstor wrote...

Assistance necessary. Need title for chapter on Legion recovery, Tali present.


Geth, why is it always Geth?

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cdsmith0 wrote...

Joekababazae wrote...

i dont know. i would like to see the relationship between Tali and Shepard explored more.



agreed


And by more I think Bioware needs to have a wedding scene for Shepard and Tali...or a scene with Shepard carrying Tali across a threshold on the Quarian homeworld.  Yeah, that's what I want to see.

<3<3<3Tali<3<3<3

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MarineBorn wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Saberwolf116 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Saberwolf116 wrote...

...So is it safe to say we've got Tali in ME3...?

Very likely.

The Doctor is In.
And still working on fanfic part eight.

You're gonna make Mr. Badass go all paragon on us, aren't you?

All? Impossible. Can't suddenly change 180 degrees.


more true words were never spoken, no one can change that drasticallyImage IPB


I´d like to quote the infamous Dr.House B)
"People don´t change. For example, I´m gonna keep repeating "People don´t change" " 
Nuff said.

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I like your thinking here Hader.  Bioware is so skillfully letting each of us write our own Shepherd story.  If we choose to write Tali into ours - (hurray) so be it.  They create the sandbox, we build the castles. 




Fairly true. I mean, as much as I love Tali, I think the best course of action to take with her story (and her story with Shepard if chosen as a LI) should be one that doesn't go extrememly in depth or anything. If that happens, well it might just destroy the hopes and dreams of many wouldn't it? :P

I think what draws a lot of people to Tali no, in the way they show it especially, is that room for exploration that only each individual can take. Like I said, this is your Shepard's story, so as long as Bioware lets the same level of....leniancy, if you will...then that is the best way they can really satisfy all the fans. Can't leave it untouched, can't delve into it too deeply. It's a fine balance, and one they have kept well up to now. Hopefully ME3 will keep it the same.


But leaving to much open would make alot of people made who just want to know what would happen... You can have a special ending for each love interest


Yup, nothing wrong with giving us the *option* to achieve a happy ending for the romances, be that marriage or whatever. People who don't like it, may just ignore it, and go on with their fan fiction instead.
But a happy ending is surely deserved for Shep, after going through all that, and even dying once, just to be resurrected and go back to saving the galaxy.

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Himmelstor wrote...

Assistance necessary. Need title for chapter on Legion recovery, Tali present.

"Friend or Foe"  ?

Not too original I guess but still. Or play off the fact that it is an intact Geth, and Tali is unsure about taking it...etc.

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Himmelstor wrote...

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Well yes, and no.  I would think that if "Shepard's bacteria" were some static, unchanging quantity then theoretically yes, eventually her immune system would adapt to the ever-present biologic matter.  This of course provided something silly didn't happen, like some random Quarian sneezing on Shepard's sleeve and making him an unknowing carrier of Quarian ebola or something, that would then infect Tali in a real sense, rather than an immuno reaction to foreign biologic matter.  Would make her SICK sick, not just symptoms of an immuno response sick.

Therein lies the problem though.  With Quarians and their suit linkage, the things each Quarian is being exposed to remains contant.  There isn't some new and exciting bacterium sneaking it's way in passed the seals of one suit and taxing their immune systems further.  It's presumably a steady, slow adaptation to biologic matter that is ever-present and unchanging within those self contained environments, until eventually they each are well enough adapted to the other that they may be suitless in the same scrubbed environment, such as in birthings.

Shepard's issue is that he is by default, suitless.  The biologic matter he carries is not a constant.  He could shake someone's hand one day, pick up some new and exciting germs.  Lean against a bulkhead the next thinking over a report he's read, more new and exciting germs.  And each time Tali and Shepard share a moment, her immune system will be taxed with the job of isolating and adapting to/destroying the new and exciting germs. 

So while Tali may eventually be able to adapt to Shepard's normal compliment of tiny and nasties, her immune system will be continually bombarded by the biologic matter that he is unwittingly exposed to every day.  Her immune system will never be able to adapt fully, as it would not know what would be getting thrown at it the next day.

Unless of course your Shepard, like mine, is 100% willing to sport a ziplock-suit for the rest of his days for his Tali :wub:

Would still make easier on immune system each time. Reduce number of bacteria to have reaction to. Would never be fully immune due to random bacteria, but overall chances should reduce.


Oh of course, Doc, absolutely.  No such thing as 100% safe, but you can go a long way toward safer.  I doubt much of anything aboard the decontaminated environment that is the Normandy would be lethal to a Quarian.  Presumably the ship's systems could be equipped to handle anything that could be life threatening to any species serving as crew.  But still I doubt that fever, nasty cough, and mysterious sinus sludge would ever completely leave the picture.  Less often, sure.  Gone?  Doubtful.

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But leaving to much open would make alot of people made who just want to know what would happen... You can have a special ending for each love interest


True, and I realize this. What I'm saying is just that they should ideally leave some room for everyone to think about it diffrerently. Sorry if that doesn't make sense. I do want to see a good story and good closure of the relationship in ME3 and all, but I don't want to see it built on so much that it adversely affects everyone's hopes for the game as a whole.

Heh, hard to word it, maybe I'll figure it out later.

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Roninraver wrote...

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Well yes, and no.  I would think that if "Shepard's bacteria" were some static, unchanging quantity then theoretically yes, eventually her immune system would adapt to the ever-present biologic matter.  This of course provided something silly didn't happen, like some random Quarian sneezing on Shepard's sleeve and making him an unknowing carrier of Quarian ebola or something, that would then infect Tali in a real sense, rather than an immuno reaction to foreign biologic matter.  Would make her SICK sick, not just symptoms of an immuno response sick.

Therein lies the problem though.  With Quarians and their suit linkage, the things each Quarian is being exposed to remains contant.  There isn't some new and exciting bacterium sneaking it's way in passed the seals of one suit and taxing their immune systems further.  It's presumably a steady, slow adaptation to biologic matter that is ever-present and unchanging within those self contained environments, until eventually they each are well enough adapted to the other that they may be suitless in the same scrubbed environment, such as in birthings.

Shepard's issue is that he is by default, suitless.  The biologic matter he carries is not a constant.  He could shake someone's hand one day, pick up some new and exciting germs.  Lean against a bulkhead the next thinking over a report he's read, more new and exciting germs.  And each time Tali and Shepard share a moment, her immune system will be taxed with the job of isolating and adapting to/destroying the new and exciting germs. 

So while Tali may eventually be able to adapt to Shepard's normal compliment of tiny and nasties, her immune system will be continually bombarded by the biologic matter that he is unwittingly exposed to every day.  Her immune system will never be able to adapt fully, as it would not know what would be getting thrown at it the next day.

Unless of course your Shepard, like mine, is 100% willing to sport a ziplock-suit for the rest of his days for his Tali :wub:

Would still make easier on immune system each time. Reduce number of bacteria to have reaction to. Would never be fully immune due to random bacteria, but overall chances should reduce.


Oh of course, Doc, absolutely.  No such thing as 100% safe, but you can go a long way toward safer.  I doubt much of anything aboard the decontaminated environment that is the Normandy would be lethal to a Quarian.  Presumably the ship's systems could be equipped to handle anything that could be life threatening to any species serving as crew.  But still I doubt that fever, nasty cough, and mysterious sinus sludge would ever completely leave the picture.  Less often, sure.  Gone?  Doubtful.

What is expression...beating a dead cow?...
Stupid expression.
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Must go. Will be back later.

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Hader102 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Assistance necessary. Need title for chapter on Legion recovery, Tali present.

"Friend or Foe"  ?

Not too original I guess but still. Or play off the fact that it is an intact Geth, and Tali is unsure about taking it...etc.


I considered that as well, and it syncs up with the IFF you where sent to get, Internal Friend or Foe system.

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Himmelstor wrote...

Must go. Will be back later.


Keelah Se'lai! May Tali be in your heart! <3

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Lord_Moose wrote...

Hader102 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Assistance necessary. Need title for chapter on Legion recovery, Tali present.

"Friend or Foe"  ?

Not too original I guess but still. Or play off the fact that it is an intact Geth, and Tali is unsure about taking it...etc.


I considered that as well, and it syncs up with the IFF you where sent to get, Internal Friend or Foe system.


Wasn't it "Identify Friend or Foe"?

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Maybe, im not sure on it.



After sideing with both in the conflict (which had me replay the whole legion mission)

And it seems while i can Renegade resolve with Legion, i cannot with Tali.

But all is well in the world, i hope...

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The servers are just barely holding on now.

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The Governator wrote...

cdsmith0 wrote...

Joekababazae wrote...

i dont know. i would like to see the relationship between Tali and Shepard explored more.



agreed


And by more I think Bioware needs to have a wedding scene for Shepard and Tali...or a scene with Shepard carrying Tali across a threshold on the Quarian homeworld.  Yeah, that's what I want to see.

<3<3<3Tali<3<3<3



A tali and shep wedding in ME 3 would be amazing

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I used paragon and sided with both Tali and TalkingRefrigerator but I was hovering over defending Tali cause he's geth.

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PMorgan18 wrote...

The servers are just barely holding on now.


Yeah, i think it is time to close this thread and open a new one.
Sadly. I would have wanted to go to 1000 pages... =(