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[Gabey5]

it seems that a lot of people here have issues with Male lead characters... it seems to be a bioware trend...they like lesser male characters but when it comes to lead characters something happens...fear...competition, jealousy?

lesser male characters are generally liked ie wrex oghren canderous
see:
most complained about generally

kaiden
carth
jacob
allistair

the next game the next lead male will get the same i predict.

just a theory

:innocent:

Modifié par Gabey5, 07 février 2010 - 11:38 .

[Arrtis]

i dont follow

[Sharn01]

I liked Alistair a lot, Kaiden and Carth where not bad character's.



I really hate Jacob though. Hrm, new way to kill him, feet first in to a wood chipper.

[Feops1]

Kaiden, Carth, and Jacob were muted and safe. They were dull.



I really liked Alistair. He was hilarous and sarcastic. His romance was fun and awkward. His interaction with the story at large was pretty deep.

[Lucy Glitter]

They were all boring, maybe?

[Chaos-fusion]

Gabey5 wrote...

most complained about generally

kaiden
carth
jacob
allistair

Anytime a guy in a game mentions a history that doesn't involve killing someone, or trying to, then he's a whiner with issues.

Or at least, that's a pattern I see.

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 07 février 2010 - 11:41 .

[Randy1012]

I like Carth, Kaidan, and Alistair (especially Alistair). Jacob was okay, but he had even less going for him than Kaidan had. Carth and Kaidan's problem were that they were just a little too nice, a little too unsure of themselves. Alistair was like that, too, but he had an excellent self-deprecating sense of humor to make up for it.

[Scrimgeour10]

I think I'm one of the few who liked Carth and that orange jacket of his!

[aeetos21]

Carth was annoying, that really says all there is about him. I liked Kaidan much better and am happy that he survived in two of my imports.



Jacob was cool, reminded me a lot of my own Shepard, and I wouldn't have minded seeing a conversation between he and my Shepard at a bar in Omega or the Citadel or something. Just two guys throwing back a few drinks.



Who is this Alistair person? He means nothing to me - but then so does DAO in general.

[DaeJi]

Carth, Kaidan, and Jacob were the straight men in their games, the guys without the wild personalities, and thus duller than the other squad mates. Alistair was better, he was funny and sarcastic.

[JobacNoor]

I like all of the above. Well, more neutral towards Jacob.



Alistair, especially is one of my favorite characters in a long time.

[masterp1975]

IMHO, Shep is the male lead. There is no other "male lead". As to why guys like the women better? If you have to ask, you'll never know.

[Max Brodie]

Out of the list my only problem was with Carth, OMG what a whiner!



Even when playing KotOR as a full lightside character, his constant crying about his troubled past really gets on my nerves. Its enough to turn any champion of the light to the darkside of the force

[Daerog]

I liked Alistair, though I was really annoyed with how he acted when the "big decision" with him came up, wanted to choke him... idiot... other than that he was fine.
Never had an issue with Carth, I liked Carth.
Sky was alright too, kind of a mix of Carth and Garrus.
I liked Kaiden, too.
Jacob was cool.

Lead supporting males help move the story, but tend to be under control and not too unstable. Alistair was different, though, which was a plus.

Lead females are similar: Miranda, Dawn Star, Bastilla, Ashley.

I don't have a problem with them either, you have to have some stable people around. Not everyone can be Wrex or the Black Whirlwind.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 07 février 2010 - 11:52 .

[xMister Vx]

I liked Alistair a lot, even though I didn't let him become king and would've sacrificed him for the last kill.

I understand people getting pissed off about Carth, he did sound a bit too unstable for a Republican hero.

I liked Kaidan (it's not Kaiden!), even though he wasn't given much of a chance to shine. I still cannot understand why I saved Ashley instead of him both times on Virmire, when I thoroughly dislike her.

As to Jacob, well... I was pleasantly surprised to find out he is a reasonable chap. He does look somewhat bland compared to other NPCs, obviously, since he isn't as exotic as an alien.

[Hathur]

Alistair was a joy to have in DAO... he has an excellent sense of humor. Felt like a real buddy / brother to my main character.

I didn't dislike Carth in Kotor... but didn't care for him too much either. He was uninteresting.. but he certainly didn't bother me either.

Kaiden in ME1 was alright, he had a sensible outlook on things and his history as a L2 biotic made him at least somewhat interesting. Not bad, not great.

Jacob. The most psychologically / emotionally stable character in any RPG I've ever played. Level-headed, strong willed, not prone to emotional frailty. No objection to him... but he's boring as hell. If they gave him a sense of humor he'd at least be somewhat interesting.

Modifié par Hathur, 07 février 2010 - 11:52 .

[Sharn01]

BaxterBoy123 wrote...

whats wrong with jacob ?

Gratuitous forced flirting that was beyond the player's control was my problem.  Where not even talking a little flirty, we are talking jump up on the table and take me now flirting in the very first conversation you have with him on the Normandy, like it or not, we are going to shove it down your throat.

Pretty much sums it up, I could go on a rant, but I am keeping it short.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I hate Kaidan because he bores me so much and seems cardboard-ey.
I'm apathetic about Jacob since his romance and missions were blah, but he's an alright guy.
I don't mind Carth, he was my first BioWare LI.
I liked Sky, thought he was really charming, even if he suffered from the now old hat 'tormented widower syndrome'.
I love Alistair, he was the perfect LI; charming, sweet, hilarious... At least, he was more perfect than any before him.

I'm not sure where you're getting this 'everyone hates the main males' thing.

Of course, none of them have anything on Garrus.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 07 février 2010 - 11:56 .

[Keltoris]

Feops1 wrote...

Kaiden, Carth, and Jacob were muted and safe. They were dull.

I really liked Alistair. He was hilarous and sarcastic. His romance was fun and awkward. His interaction with the story at large was pretty deep.

A Bingo.

[BloodRaith]

because they aren't female

[Archilochos]

Some have posed a theory elsewhere on the forums that many male fans do have a competitive thing going with the male leads, which is clearly what you're getting at.  I'm not sure I buy that, but hey, this is the forum where I once saw several posters claiming they would leave their RL guys and/or gals for in game characters, so you never know.

In the case of the four you mention, there's an added complication: Carth.  Carth is a bit, well, irritating.  Because he and Kaiden have the same voice actor (Raphael Sbarge?  I think?), some perceive Kaiden as similar to Carth.  Personally, I never saw the similarity based purely on the text; it's just a vocal thing.  I actually think Kaiden's quite likeable, although he almost always dies on Virmire in my games because of a different male bias: I have trouble condemning Ash because of her gender, even though I find her kind of unlikeable.

I don't get the anti-Alistair backlash.  Sure, he sometimes comes off like that one idiot friend everyone has, and he often appears to lack a spine, but he has redeeming qualities as well and mans up in the end most of the time depending on what the player does.

Jacob: I like this guy.  Sometimes he has a "Captian Bland" moment, and his presence in Cerberus is a little puzzling, given that he's a good guy and Cerberus is an organization Miranda unironically describes as "Not AS evil as people think."  (ie implying that, yes, they are at least SOMEWHAT evil).  Even so, a guy who can face down a suicide mission while declaring his intention to "Get Loud" and "Spill some drinks on the Citadel" is OK as far as I'm concerned.

Gravity is one mean mutha.

I think the root of the issue is that we men have it drilled into our heads from a young age that to be "manly" we have to be in charge.  Videogame NPCs, however, are by definition NOT in charge, which complicates the stereotypically "masculine" elements of their personalities.  I think this creates a subconscious dislike of these characters in many male fans because the characters somehow don't register as the assertive, masculine men we're socially conditioned to admire.  This results in only hardass characters like Wrex and Canderous being "OK" to like because they compensate for not being in charge by not caring about it and kicking lots of ass, thereby dodging the issue.

[Nastrod]

They are not leads because the player is the lead. In saying that though I have no prob with Jacob but I did not like Kaiden. I think I just do not like the voice actor because I did not like Carth either

[fusilero1]

Jacob was too similar to my Shephard. They could have swapped places (and got past the entire physical appearance thing),no one would have noticed. Except Tali's envirosuit would be torn further, if you get what I mean.

[Wintermist]

Uhm, I don't have problems with any of them.