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[ComTrav]

Nadia73 wrote...

And what's with all the MILF comments... there is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY more to Samara than that. Everyone thinks because she wears 'that outfit' that she 'wants it' or something.

wrong.

she's gotten to the stage in life where she just doesn't give a *beep* and she'll wear what she wants. simple.

I am GLAD she is not romance-able (that sweet little talk scene is good enough)... it keeps a certain amount of 'class' attached to her character. she does her job, she has her beliefs, and no one is going to screw with that.

now THAT is a great character.

I agree with you that this is part of the appeal of the character (at least to me). You have lots of different LIs who are at different places in their life. You have geeky-awkward-first-love Tali and Liara, women who have probably been through relationships before and act more confident and mature towards Shepard like Ashley and Miranda, and you have Jack, who has been burned badly in every attachment she's ever had. Samara's almost certainly been-there, done-that. She's past the phase of her life where she wants or even needs a romantic relationship; she is completely at peace with who she is as a person. I always thought that Shepard coming on to Samara is like a 15-year-old's crush on a beautiful woman in her late twenties; it might be sweet, but it just doesn't reflect where she is in her life. (And she does a great job of letting Shepard down easy.)

Although, and here's an interesting question: how much of her decision to avoid intimacy is driven by the fact her previous daughters were all Ardat-Yashi? (Since most A-Y are 'pureblood', one assumes it's not a large factor in her decision over forming an attachment to a human like Shepard.)

[yoomazir]

Samara is the hottest girl in ME2 NO CONTEST !

Ans since I DA:O you could have a quator orgy,I demand a trio in ME3 involving Shep,Liara & Samara!

[Chained_Creator]

Nadia73 wrote...

And what's with all the MILF comments... there is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY more to Samara than that. Everyone thinks because she wears 'that outfit' that she 'wants it' or something.

wrong.

she's gotten to the stage in life where she just doesn't give a *beep* and she'll wear what she wants. simple.

I am GLAD she is not romance-able (that sweet little talk scene is good enough)... it keeps a certain amount of 'class' attached to her character. she does her job, she has her beliefs, and no one is going to screw with that.

now THAT is a great character.

This ^50.

[ComTrav]

Nadia73 wrote...

ComTrav wrote...
Although, and here's an interesting question: how much of her decision to avoid intimacy is driven by the fact her previous daughters were all Ardat-Yashi? (Since most A-Y are 'pureblood', one assumes it's not a large factor in her decision over forming an attachment to a human like Shepard.)

hmmm. well can't the Asari control whether they reproduce or not? I mean we 'had' Liara in ME 1 (if you went that way) and we didn't have little ones running around. Perhaps some Asari form of birth control? Baby blockers! 

I feel Samara has that 'sad side' where my god, she's out hunting her own daughter and is a killer and sometimes does some unspeakable things. I think she might feel almost 'unworthy' of love and would rather avoid it at this time in her life. Plus she said she's experienced pretty much everything out there so I'm sure us hitting on her is not anything new.

no really though....I think that she avoids my femshep because she is wicked hot and Samara knows she will just fall in love like all the others and give up The Code. What else could 'I believe I could find more than happiness with you' mean?

:lol:

One ASSUMES that there's some method of Asari birth control. And roflmao, in her centuries of experience, I'm sure this isn't the first time she's turned down an interested man (or woman.) And Shepard is pretty amazing and irrestibly attractive...in fact, Samara banks on it during her loyalty mission. ("Look, Morinth will come for you because I think you're attractive, and as my daughter, we have pretty much the same type...")

But the fact she gives up all personal attachments and possessions and has devoted her life to traveling around the galaxy writing wrongs is what makes her feel like such a cool character.

[Seraosha]

Chained_Creator wrote...

Nadia73 wrote...

And what's with all the MILF comments... there is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY more to Samara than that. Everyone thinks because she wears 'that outfit' that she 'wants it' or something.

wrong.

she's gotten to the stage in life where she just doesn't give a *beep* and she'll wear what she wants. simple.

I am GLAD she is not romance-able (that sweet little talk scene is good enough)... it keeps a certain amount of 'class' attached to her character. she does her job, she has her beliefs, and no one is going to screw with that.

now THAT is a great character.

This ^50.

Agreed. Samara is my favourite character and also one of the most interesting in ME2 =)

[Tiercel24]

Obviously this is my own opinion, I didn't write her character lol.

She says herself the reason she became a Justicar was because of Morinth and the fact that all her daughters became Ardat-Yakshi. But it was mainly because of how Morinth decided to run away and kill. That's the real reason she gives up having any attachments. So I don't think its really about all the past experiences or the fact that she's "seen it all" as to why she decides not to give in to Shepard. You can tell that Shepard awakens her to something she hasn't felt in many years.

I think she just wasn't ready to give up her life as it is now. She's been at it for so long after all. I can see other people's point about her not being an LI but I just think as we have seen with many other characters in both games is that Shepard can change people. I know there could be events that take place in ME3 that could change Samara's feelings.

I do agree that the other love scenes wouldn't feel right with Samara. She would need a heartfelt, poignant, appropriate scene. I think it was the right choice for her to not be an "LI" in ME2 because the way they have set it up she could potentially become a very emotional LI in ME3.

Modifié par Tiercel24, 14 février 2010 - 03:23 .

[jlb524]

I like how the Samara 'almost romance' was handled. It makes sense given her character. If she was a romance option in ME2, it would feel rushed and 'tacked on'. It would make more sense for the writers to drag out her romance over two games. I kind of like romances that are epic and involve multiple installments before they come to completion. The problem with some of the ME2 romances is that they feel a little rushed.

[ComTrav]

Well, they did make everyone wait for Tali/Garrus...

[marshalleck]

Hmm. Would it be chauvinistic to say the only thing more attractive than a woman playing hard to get is a woman who won't be treated as quarry in the first place? I hope not.

If Samara were a LI in ME3, I don't know if my paragon Shep would romance her. He admires and respects Samara's confidence, independence, and integrity.

I like ComTrav's idea that Samara, being nearly 1,000 years old, has reached a point in her own life where she has become perfectly at peace with herself, has attained a level of self-awareness and tranquility that few people ever realize. But then, as Tiercel24 said, there does seem to be a bit of a spark between Shep and Samara, and one wonders how much of Samara's integrity could actually be bordering on repression or denial.

What a compelling character. It's too bad the asari in ME1 weren't portrayed with such depth; I might not have been completely put off by them in the first place.

Modifié par marshalleck, 14 février 2010 - 08:12 .

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

I hope Samara doesn't become a love interest in ME3, not every Asari has to be ****ed and I think it betrays her character to do so.



But who knows, maybe BW will give in to horny fan demand.

[Tiercel24]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

I hope Samara doesn't become a love interest in ME3, not every Asari has to be ****ed and I think it betrays her character to do so.

But who knows, maybe BW will give in to horny fan demand.

Lol its not about sex with these relationships in ME to me. Its the fact the Bioware is good enough to make the player geniunely care for these characters. Actually now that I think about it they could make it so if you picked the "I'm glad we're friends" choice go into ME3 so everybody who doesn't want to see it won't. Everybody who picked "Everybody needs comfort" then a relationship could develop. Thus satisfying everybody.

[jlb524]

I think Samara might be an LI in ME3, only b/c she admits feelings for Shepard in ME2. If the devs had no intentions with her being an LI, Samara would have turned Shepard down flat-out in ME2. However, she admits feelings for Shepard.



Samara spurned relationships earlier in her life due to her having Ardat-Yakshi children. However, it's obvious that she misses having a close relationship with someone. Shepard is an extraordinary individual and depending on how you play her or him, has a similar moral code to Samara. I'm not surprised that she feels drawn to Shepard on that level.



If BW does make her romanceable, I don't think they are simply giving in to 'horny fan demand'. If they were, Shepard could have had sex with her in ME2. It appears that there is something deeper going on here, since they are extending it out over 2 games. Plus, I don't think you can even show interest in Samara if you are romancing someone else. That content is reserved for someone who is serious about the Samara romance.

[Tamcia]

Yeah liked Samara a lot. She is a good person, that chose a tough life. The code she follows shaped her life - she seem scold blooded often, but there is a person under that. Actually reminds me of Miranda, as she too shows one face, but is different under it.



Her biotic powers are awesome, wouldn't trust anyone else with the field in suicide mission.



Also I hope she returns in last part of ME, as she did promise to help out.

[Frotality]

Chained_Creator wrote...

Nadia73 wrote...

And what's with all the MILF comments... there is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY more to Samara than that. Everyone thinks because she wears 'that outfit' that she 'wants it' or something.

wrong.

she's gotten to the stage in life where she just doesn't give a *beep* and she'll wear what she wants. simple.

I am GLAD she is not romance-able (that sweet little talk scene is good enough)... it keeps a certain amount of 'class' attached to her character. she does her job, she has her beliefs, and no one is going to screw with that.

now THAT is a great character.

This ^50.

This ^9000

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Except that when Samara did turn you down, she said "In another time, in another life".



Also pursuing the romance seemed more like the Renegade route to play, its like when someone says "I like you but not in a romantic way" and then you keep forcing yourself onto them and they fear losing you as a friend and eventually relent.



Pursuing a Samara romance, given her character, makes Shepard seem like some horndog.



Oh well, if they do make her romancable I hope they don't make it that Renegades can romance her.. that would ruin it even more. Bad enough that you can abuse Tali in ME1 and ME2 and yet somehow she still pines for you.

[jlb524]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Oh well, if they do make her romancable I hope they don't make it that Renegades can romance her.. that would ruin it even more. Bad enough that you can abuse Tali in ME1 and ME2 and yet somehow she still pines for you.

Abuse Tali?  What the???  What Tali romance did you play?

And I don't see Samara falling for a Renegade Shepard.  She basically wants to kill Renegade Shepard after the suicide mission is over.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

jlb524 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Oh well, if they do make her romancable I hope they don't make it that Renegades can romance her.. that would ruin it even more. Bad enough that you can abuse Tali in ME1 and ME2 and yet somehow she still pines for you.

Abuse Tali?  What the???  What Tali romance did you play?

It's not what I play, it is what other people themselves have noted.

A guy specifically said he abused Tali throughout ME1, wouldn't give her the Geth data (though he did have it) and in ME2 did similar things (Took Veetor, etc.).

Yet she still was open for romance... it was so much BS.

[marshalleck]

Yeah, Samara was clearly not happy with my Renegade Shep's decision to hand over the base to TIM...

[ComTrav]

marshalleck wrote...

Yeah, Samara was clearly not happy with my Renegade Shep's decision to hand over the base to TIM...

No one is.

Samara is the one who warns you she might do something about it, though.

Which makes her or Morinth a very tough decision for my "Queen **** of the Universe" FemShep. (If Dominate works through Barriers, Armor, or Shields, MAYBE Morinth. But otherwise Reave is pretty handy.)

[jlb524]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

It's not what I play, it is what other people themselves have noted.

A guy specifically said he abused Tali throughout ME1, wouldn't give her the Geth data (though he did have it) and in ME2 did similar things (Took Veetor, etc.).

Yet she still was open for romance... it was so much BS.

I agree that those decisions should have mattered in the romance.  I wouldn't call those decisions abuse though.  You have to be nice to Tali to get the romance to continue, right?

[jlb524]

marshalleck wrote...

Yeah, Samara was clearly not happy with my Renegade Shep's decision to hand over the base to TIM...

I could see Samara hunting that Shepard down in ME3.  

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

jlb524 wrote...
 I wouldn't call those decisions abuse though.  You have to be nice to Tali to get the romance to continue, right?

All you have to do to continue the romance is do her loyalty mission, talk to her, she makes a pass at you, and you accept. If you do either of the other two dialog options she never brings it up again.

Still, being mean towards Tali only to then get a romance with her is pretty messed up.