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#2526
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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 06:12

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Damn the thread is slow today. Damn christians and their holidays.

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 06:16

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Which missions are like that other than Horizon that you know of Ashira?

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 06:59

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No characters other than Jacob and Miranda have dialogue for Freedom's Progress and all missions before that.  Besides, having any other characters besides Jacob and Miranda before Freedom's Progress causes the game to crash.

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:09

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yorkj86 wrote...

No characters other than Jacob and Miranda have dialogue for Freedom's Progress and all missions before that.  Besides, having any other characters besides Jacob and Miranda before Freedom's Progress causes the game to crash.

Right, but Ashira said that Samara doesn't have any dialog on Horizon and Mordan just talks to himself.  Her not having dialog on Horizon makes me think that she wouldn't have dialog on any of the recruitment missions prior to Horizon, but that isn't the case though. 

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Ashira Shepard
Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:17

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I thought about this as well, and came to a conclusion.



In the early stages, everyone was recruitable from the start, and so Legion/Thane/Samara/Tali all have dialogue for the starting recruitment missions after Freedom's Progress. But I'm guessing by the time they got to doing Horizon, they changed their ideas and just left the hidden dialogue in there when they moved the aforementioned characters to being available AFTER Horizon.

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:21

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AshiraShepard wrote...

I thought about this as well, and came to a conclusion.

In the early stages, everyone was recruitable from the start, and so Legion/Thane/Samara/Tali all have dialogue for the starting recruitment missions after Freedom's Progress. But I'm guessing by the time they got to doing Horizon, they changed their ideas and just left the hidden dialogue in there when they moved the aforementioned characters to being available AFTER Horizon.


That makes the most sense, if their first plan was to have them all avaliable from the start that would explain why the "hidden" dialogue was there. I wonder why they changed their plan.

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:24

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Yeah that would make sense. It also explains how all of the characters regardless of when they are recruited, still have dialog in most of the missions.

I read somewhere that the game was going to start off on the planet where Shepard's body was recovered. The player was going to start off as playing Legion with Liara also on the planet. That would have been real neat to me, but Bioware decided that it would be too confusing to new players of ME. I'll have to try and find where I read that.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 04 avril 2010 - 07:25 .

#2533
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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:24

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They likely made certain characters available later due to having to split the game up into two discs for the 360.

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:27

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DirtyVagrant wrote...

They likely made certain characters available later due to having to split the game up into two discs for the 360.


I don't even get why they needed two discs for the 360 version.

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:28

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I would've loved that beginning! I heard about that too, apparently while doing this Legion would have been talking to Liara about Shepard's actions, and in that way, you could decide what "background" Shep had from ME1 in a new game.



The Renegade jackass canon background for new games suck donkeyballs...*hates "canon" shep*

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:30

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There are a lot of theories as to why the game is structured like it is.  Some of them involve the original, unused beginning to ME2.  Most likely, it was just the hardware limitations of the 360, but I'd like to know if the rumor of the original Liara & Legion beginning to ME2 is actually true.

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:33

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yorkj86 wrote...

There are a lot of theories as to why the game is structured like it is.  Some of them involve the original, unused beginning to ME2.  Most likely, it was just the hardware limitations of the 360, but I'd like to know if the rumor of the original Liara & Legion beginning to ME2 is actually true.


I personally would have enjoyed this as the beginning. Would have given Liara and Legion better roles in the story as well, they got trash roles in ME 2.

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:34

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@Ashira
I understand why they did this though. If you think about it, it makes the game a lot easier to develop. If you made different decisions in your import to ME2, they really only slightly affect the storyline and you get a cameo so to speak from Wrex, Council, Conrad, etc...

@york
I guess only the devs could confim that.  I'll see if I can find the info on it.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 04 avril 2010 - 07:35 .

#2539
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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:35

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There isn't any "canon", Ashira. It's just a default setting.

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:45

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I think I read that originally Tali was going to be added to your squad at the end of Freedom's Progress.

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 07:52

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ME2 Original Beginning?
Talked about on Bioware Forum
http://social.biowar...index/1599512/1
Talked about in Neoseeker forum
http://www.neoseeker...nal-beginning/#
Legion and Thane on Purgatory

Tali and Legion dialog on Archangel mission

I just skimmed through part of the threads and did not see any confirmation of this.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 04 avril 2010 - 08:00 .

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 08:54

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

ME2 Original Beginning?
Talked about on Bioware Forum
http://social.biowar...index/1599512/1
Talked about in Neoseeker forum
http://www.neoseeker...nal-beginning/#
Legion and Thane on Purgatory

Tali and Legion dialog on Archangel mission

I just skimmed through part of the threads and did not see any confirmation of this.


Any vids for Samara on those missions?

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 09:03

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DirtyVagrant wrote...

Hmmm, I'm curious. Let's just
hypothesize for a minute... and let's say you were to create a
Samara-centric mission. A secondary loyalty mission, if you will, could
be for ME2 or in post-ME2/ME3 type territory - up to you!

But
What kind of story would you create and/or like to see that could open
up a chance for Shepard to learn more about Samara or about Justicars.
Any ideas? Thoughts?


Seek & Destroy mission with Samara:

Shep receives a message from Liara to come to Illium and asks Shep to bring Samara along.
The Normandy docks on Illium
Shep, Samara, and  Garrus form the away team.

Liara tells the squad that she intercepted several communications that indicate an Asari Justicar may be working for the Shadow Broker.  Liara informs them that this Justicar has used her clout to play galactic politicians against each other in order to obtain highly classified information.  Samara has known the Justicar for 300yrs and can't hardly believe it.  Liara seems convinced that this Justicar has become indoctrinated and that she has been able to obtain information about Cerberus, Capt. Anderson, Udina, Shepard, among others, and the possibility that another Reaper or similar entity exists in the Milky Way.

Liara notifies the team that taking the Normandy to pursue the Justicar is too risky because part of this information that the Justicar has received is the ability to track and locate the Normandy when the steath systems are engaged.  Garrus uses his contacts to book passage aboard a Turian freighter and the teams goes undercover.

What do you think?

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 04 avril 2010 - 09:14 .

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Posté 04 avril 2010 - 09:59

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A lot of ideas for playerbase-designed, Samara-related missions seem to relate to Justicars having a big head (http://dictionary.re...browse/big head, though I trust the maturity of people in this thread) about their privileges.   Samara tells us that Justicars do tend to have egos. 

It would be nice to watch Samara teach another Justicar a lesson in humility :)

Modifié par yorkj86, 04 avril 2010 - 11:15 .

#2545
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 12:35

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DirtyVagrant wrote...

There isn't any "canon", Ashira. It's just a default setting.


I know that, but the "default" setting if you want to make a new Shepard without playing through ME1 again for 50 hours; still sucks.

Uploading some fresh screens to photobucket; will post soon.
Captured a few interesting shots.

yorkj86 wrote...
 Samara tells us that Justicars do tend
to have egos. 


Where does she say this? I want to hear it :D

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 05 avril 2010 - 12:36 .

#2546
Ashira Shepard
Posté 05 avril 2010 - 12:58

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Those screens I mentioned.

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I enjoy this image more than I probably should...
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Thought she looked pretty cool here.
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Final screen, and I don't know why this capture intrigues me so...
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Which brings me to a general wondering, if you have Morinth with you, and she dies in the suicide mission - does she still, even at death, act like Samara? If she does, that would've been a missed chance for BW o_o I like little moments of "OOC" deathbed thoughts. For some reason the thought that she may actually say something with regret or even just whispering "Mother..." 

*shrug* I think too much on these things.

#2547
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 01:03

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Good screens Ashira, i quite like them.

#2548
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 01:15

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Heh, cool. Now that escape the pit free day is almost over were gettin' good stuff! That final screen is awesome with the biotic wisps everywhere, and I love the hand on her throat.Posted Image

Modifié par volly0071, 05 avril 2010 - 01:16 .

#2549
Ashira Shepard
Posté 05 avril 2010 - 01:27

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It's more her expression that makes me go back to it; what triggered that "ooc deathbed" wondering. I might give the very few screens I grabbed of Morinth to her fan group =P *shrug* They don't have many images XD

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 05 avril 2010 - 01:27 .

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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 01:40

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AshiraShepard wrote...
Which brings me to a general wondering, if you have Morinth with you, and she dies in the suicide mission - does she still, even at death, act like Samara? If she does, that would've been a missed chance for BW o_o I like little moments of "OOC" deathbed thoughts. For some reason the thought that she may actually say something with regret or even just whispering "Mother..." 

*shrug* I think too much on these things.

NICKjnp could probably tell you this because  I think he is a Morinth fan also.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 05 avril 2010 - 01:40 .

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