That would certainly be helpful, if only for my curiosity, and a little insight into the character =P
I'm interested enough to think about these things, andmakeafanficabouther, *cough* but never to go through the act of betraying Samara :< I will always take her side over Morinth's.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 01:59
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AshiraShepard wrote...
Where does she say this? I want to hear it
My mistake, it's the Codex entry for "Justicars", not Samara, that tells us that.
"Justicars tend to be independent, requiring little help but also scorning it since such advanced skill and experience usually travels with a powerful ego. The conflicts presented by such arrogance prompted the Justicar Order to develop Oaths of Subsumation..."
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 02:52
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AshiraShepard wrote...
That would certainly be helpful, if only for my curiosity, and a little insight into the character =P
I'm interested enough to think about these things, andmakeafanficabouther, *cough* but never to go through the act of betraying Samara :
I can't side with Mornith, it's agaisnt my morals.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 02:56
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Same here. Does anyone else feel like betraying Samara would kind of have the same effect (or should anyway) of managing to divide by zero?
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 02:59
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Same here. Does anyone else feel like betraying Samara would kind of have the same effect (or should anyway) or managing to divide by zero?
*snip
Yes. As a matter of fact I still don't have dominate as a selectable power because I can't even kill Samara just to reload and fix it just for the power.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 03:12
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Would you elaborate on that?
Would you elaborate on that?
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 03:16
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The fanfic or the "divide by zero" reaction?
It was meant in fun, merely to express how much I really, really hate the idea of betraying Samara. So in fun, a wormhole would open up and devour everything to show just how much you f*cked up by picking Morinth.
It was meant in fun, merely to express how much I really, really hate the idea of betraying Samara. So in fun, a wormhole would open up and devour everything to show just how much you f*cked up by picking Morinth.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 03:26
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The divide by 0.
Ah ok, I lost you there, but I understand now.
Ah ok, I lost you there, but I understand now.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 03:30
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Suppose that Samara's favorite human film is "The Seventh Seal". Discuss.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 03:31
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I said this the other day too. I just can't do it...lol I've tried to steel myself for the moment, and it doesn't work...lol Hell, I felt so bad the one time I delibertly failed in the bar I think I started a new game...lol...I'm so weak when comes to Samara.
@justinnstuff: I don't have it either, I just don't see any value in siding with Morinth, never have.
@justinnstuff: I don't have it either, I just don't see any value in siding with Morinth, never have.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 03:36
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No wonder I just stared blankly for a few moments before looking it up. A swedish drama film from the 50's...
I, uh, not sure what to say. I'm not that perceptive...unless you're poking fun =P
I, uh, not sure what to say. I'm not that perceptive...unless you're poking fun =P
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 03:43
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No wonder I just stared blankly for a few moments before looking it up. A swedish drama film from the 50's...
I, uh, not sure what to say. I'm not that perceptive...unless you're poking fun =P
Not at all. I think she would enjoy it, humbly. I think von Sydow's character would speak to Samara.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 03:46
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It's weird how Morinth actually commits to the suicide mission, even if she was saved by Shepard, only to put her life at risk again. You'd think she would steal the Kodiak shuttle and abandon the Normandy since she doesn't have any oaths to follow or obligations to the innocent. She's a selfish person.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 03:46
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yorkj86 wrote...
Suppose that Samara's favorite human film is "The Seventh Seal". Discuss.
*snip*
Oh dude, I've been up 20 hours, I'm on my way out I'm sry. If it's still kicking around when I get up I'll try. Have fun all.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 03:50
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It's weird how Morinth actually commits to the suicide mission, even if she was saved by Shepard, only to put her life at risk again. You'd think she would steal the Kodiak shuttle and abandon the Normandy since she doesn't have any oaths to follow or obligations to the innocent. She's a selfish person.
But then how would Shepard's crew be fortuitously absent during the Collector attack?!
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 03:56
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They wouldn't. And then no one would be kidnapped! Yay! XD
Ahem, in other news. Felt like making this =P
Ahem, in other news. Felt like making this =P
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yorkj86 wrote...
DirtyVagrant wrote...
It's weird how Morinth actually commits to the suicide mission, even if she was saved by Shepard, only to put her life at risk again. You'd think she would steal the Kodiak shuttle and abandon the Normandy since she doesn't have any oaths to follow or obligations to the innocent. She's a selfish person.
But then how would Shepard's crew be fortuitously absent during the Collector attack?!
Pfft, like Morinth would care! She's got souls to eat.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 05:25
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what kind of training could be involved for a Justicar? Considering its high casualty its certainly dependent on ALOT of combat. But I'm sure there's situations they must be placed in so that the trainers can analyze how well the trainee is using the Code. Memorizing it is one thing. Applying it is another, perhaps many unneeded deaths take place. Perhaps they start small, in non-governed worlds so its easy to see corruption. But in civilized colonies, Justicars have to be highly tolerable and comfortable with using the Code, or they could face an uphill battle.
My self-control is who I am
My self-control is who I am
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 05:44
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*sniffles at the quote* Damn that scene...*mutters*
I would like to hear/know about that as well, if just out of curiosity.
I would like to hear/know about that as well, if just out of curiosity.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 06:07
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Samara probably went through Justicar training school. Knowing her, she probably graduated at the top of her class. She probably learned the proper way to cast her biotics with the occasional "Your life is mine", and the ability to use her breast as a +15 renegade interrupt.7Makaveli wrote...
what kind of training could be involved for a Justicar? Considering its high casualty its certainly dependent on ALOT of combat. But I'm sure there's situations they must be placed in so that the trainers can analyze how well the trainee is using the Code. Memorizing it is one thing. Applying it is another, perhaps many unneeded deaths take place. Perhaps they start small, in non-governed worlds so its easy to see corruption. But in civilized colonies, Justicars have to be highly tolerable and comfortable with using the Code, or they could face an uphill battle.
My self-control is who I am
No seriously, it probably is sort of like a monk or a nun in the sense that it is a total dedication of one's life to that belief and cause. They have the code, but AFAIK they don't directly answer to anyone specific. I think in her case it also revolved around her daughter too didn't it? It would take a strong disciplined individual to do what she does. As far as starting off goes, it all depends on the individual and her own experience and abilities I would assume. I don't even know what specific information there is that is given about the Justicars. Perhaps york can chime in here.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 06:12
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I would think with the added urgency of having to take down Morinth, the training for Samara may have been more gruesome and adverse than usual 
And even with that she would still have to chase her down for 400 years. What an impossibly difficult life she has had to lead.
And even with that she would still have to chase her down for 400 years. What an impossibly difficult life she has had to lead.
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It isn't the kind of life that I would want to live.7Makaveli wrote...
I would think with the added urgency of having to take down Morinth, the training for Samara may have been more gruesome and adverse than usual
In regards to Morinth, this probably gives me more respect than any other aspect of Samara's character. She is Morinth's mother and is taking on the responsability. One could say that a child's crimes in adulthood are not the direct responsability of the parent by virtue of being born. Samara's case is not quite the same. Morinth is an Ardat Yakshi from the time of birth AFAIK. She decides to give in to her selfish desires and feed off of innocent others. Proper authorities should be in pursuit of Morinth for her crimes. The ultimate responsability for taking her down is Samara's though IMO. Samara persisted for 400 years and met that challenge. She showed amazing courage, conviction, discipline, patience, and strength to hunt Morinth down and kill her own child. And when all was said and done, Samara the mother still loved her child, and was proud of her daughter's willingness to fight back.
Edit: Spelling
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 07:19
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DirtyVagrant wrote...
It's weird how Morinth actually commits to the suicide mission, even if she was saved by Shepard, only to put her life at risk again. You'd think she would steal the Kodiak shuttle and abandon the Normandy since she doesn't have any oaths to follow or obligations to the innocent. She's a selfish person.
Morinth likes the danger... it "excites" her. That and she wants to kill Shepard with snoo snoo when the mission is over. It's fun having her on the biotic bubble run (veteran or below). You can use area dominate on the rushing husks and watch the hilarity insue.
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Posté 05 avril 2010 - 02:03
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Watching the Samara "romance" scene, Shepard insults Samara's dignity and everything that makes her who she is in saying the things he says. He has no clue how right he is when saying that Samara has "kept tight control for all of these years". Her abilities to resist his advances gracefully, and tolerate him assaulting her dignity, are testament to her strength.
I don't think Bioware could have made Shepard look more like a sleaze in that scene than they did. They did a good job, in that respect.
I don't think Bioware could have made Shepard look more like a sleaze in that scene than they did. They did a good job, in that respect.
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Samara only became a Justicar when she was well into her matron years, because she was driven to stop Morinth. It was not something she undertook in her maiden years.
From her dialogue, we can safely say that Samara is a "good" person, with strong emotions contained by her dedication to the Code. But we know she was not always a Justicar...
This is pure speculation on my part, but I think you guys will like it:
What if Samara, upon discovering that all three of her children would suffer from the A-Y condition, initially tried to hide them to keep them from a 1000-year life of seclusion? The A-Y are harmless as long as they don't try to mate and become addicted to it... Would Samara, as a young mother, have tried to escape to some remote world with her children so they could enjoy a semblance of normal life, rather than give her children away in some asari equivalent of an orphanage?
What if Samara's reason to hunt Morinth is not simply driven by a mother's sense of responsiblility for her children, but more by a sense of guilt over having unwittingly provided Morinth with a chance to escape and eventually kill? Her guilt over having allowed herself to love her children so much that she allowed one to become a killer would be great indeed. No wonder she would be reluctant to let her feelings interfere with what she now sees as her duty.
It may be that Justicars are chosen among asari who desire to atone for similarly tragic errors. A Justicar's life is hard, it could be a form of penance (which opens up all sorts of possible side quests for Samara in ME3). It would explain their acceptance of a training regimen that has a large mortality rate (those who die have redeemed themselves in the attempt).
Any asari commando Justicar-wannabe that did not share Samara's intense conviction and dedication to the Code would soon give it up.
Asari commando - "WHAT? Live-ammo assault training??? Are you insane?"
Justicar taskmaster - "Will the Unjust be firing blanks, novice?"
From her dialogue, we can safely say that Samara is a "good" person, with strong emotions contained by her dedication to the Code. But we know she was not always a Justicar...
This is pure speculation on my part, but I think you guys will like it:
What if Samara, upon discovering that all three of her children would suffer from the A-Y condition, initially tried to hide them to keep them from a 1000-year life of seclusion? The A-Y are harmless as long as they don't try to mate and become addicted to it... Would Samara, as a young mother, have tried to escape to some remote world with her children so they could enjoy a semblance of normal life, rather than give her children away in some asari equivalent of an orphanage?
What if Samara's reason to hunt Morinth is not simply driven by a mother's sense of responsiblility for her children, but more by a sense of guilt over having unwittingly provided Morinth with a chance to escape and eventually kill? Her guilt over having allowed herself to love her children so much that she allowed one to become a killer would be great indeed. No wonder she would be reluctant to let her feelings interfere with what she now sees as her duty.
It may be that Justicars are chosen among asari who desire to atone for similarly tragic errors. A Justicar's life is hard, it could be a form of penance (which opens up all sorts of possible side quests for Samara in ME3). It would explain their acceptance of a training regimen that has a large mortality rate (those who die have redeemed themselves in the attempt).
Any asari commando Justicar-wannabe that did not share Samara's intense conviction and dedication to the Code would soon give it up.
Asari commando - "WHAT? Live-ammo assault training??? Are you insane?"
Justicar taskmaster - "Will the Unjust be firing blanks, novice?"
