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[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

Watching the Samara "romance" scene, Shepard insults Samara's dignity and everything that makes her who she is in saying the things he says.  He has no clue how right he is when saying that Samara has "kept tight control for all of these years".  Her abilities to resist his advances gracefully, and tolerate him assaulting her dignity, are testament to her strength.

I don't think Bioware could have made Shepard look more like a sleaze in that scene than they did.  They did a good job, in that respect.

His attempts weren't sleazy IMO, except if you pick the "casual sex" line.

[Miaoyin]

I think Samara's a great character as well.  I appreciate someone who's a bit more reserved but has a lot of depth.  She's righteous without being self-righteous, which is rare in a just or "good" character.  Perhaps because she's so teetotal in her view of justice and retribution.  I love the idea of Justicars.  She meshes well with my Paragon Shepard, because I tend to play my good characters as defenders of justice and protectors of the weak (can't help it).

While I don't know that I would want her back as a squad mate in ME3 because I want to see the new wonderful stories BioWare comes up with (and I need a reserved squad spot for Kaidan), I would definitely like the chance to interact with her again.

Her loyalty mission was definitely one of my favorite.  It was much more role-playing than action oriented, and I felt those moments were lacking in ME2.  I really hope they develop that style in ME3.

[adriano_c]

Trying to bed a mother fresh off committing filicide is the definition of sleaze, lol...

[Vendetta11]

Miaoyin wrote...

I think Samara's a great character as well.  I appreciate someone who's a bit more reserved but has a lot of depth.  She's righteous without being self-righteous, which is rare in a just or "good" character.  Perhaps because she's so teetotal in her view of justice and retribution.  I love the idea of Justicars.  She meshes well with my Paragon Shepard, because I tend to play my good characters as defenders of justice and protectors of the weak (can't help it).

While I don't know that I would want her back as a squad mate in ME3 because I want to see the new wonderful stories BioWare comes up with (and I need a reserved squad spot for Kaidan), I would definitely like the chance to interact with her again.

Her loyalty mission was definitely one of my favorite.  It was much more role-playing than action oriented, and I felt those moments were lacking in ME2.  I really hope they develop that style in ME3.

Agreed on all counts, with exception that I for sure want Samara back for ME3.

[Vendetta11]

yorkj86 wrote...

adriano_c wrote...

Trying to bed a mother fresh off committing filicide is the definition of sleaze, lol...

That too   He's taking advantage of her compromised mental and emotional state (as if those things would effect her anyway).

Can you blame him??? I mean, come on! IT'S SAMARA!!!








Yummy.........

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

His attempts weren't sleazy IMO, except if you pick the "casual sex" line.

I think they were.  Sleazy in the context of his relation to Samara.  I don't think it's possible for him to respect her if he attempts to romance her.  In that scene, Shepard is basically telling her what she wants (as if she doesn't know after 900 years of life), as if he knows better.  He's not hitting on her, he's basically telling her what she wants, which is sleazy.

Samara does acutally feel a connection with Shepard, she says so, but it can't happen because Samara keeps extremely tight control over her emotions because of her Code, and all Shepard is doing is trying to convinve her that the world won't end if she's happy for once.

I do admit some of the lines Bioware could have written better, i don't remeber which exactly which one but i know one line is dripping with mozzarella.

EDIT: And i do agree he tried to soon after Mornith's death (boundaries, shep, boundaries...)

Modifié par BlackMetal, 05 avril 2010 - 03:09 .

[Gammalfarmor]

Damn, yesterday I finished ME 2 for the 4th time. I've done every quest there is now. Think I am gonna take a small break from the game. Still haven't played with Morinth, killed her everytime.

[Ashira Shepard]

@York

Are you trying to make any of us who tried to "romance" her feel like guilty pricks? Because it's working :<

*slinks off to her corner*

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

His attempts weren't sleazy IMO, except if you pick the "casual sex" line.

I think they were.  Sleazy in the context of his relation to Samara.  I don't think it's possible for him to respect her if he attempts to romance her.  In that scene, Shepard is basically telling her what she wants (as if she doesn't know after 900 years of life), as if he knows better.  He's not hitting on her, he's basically telling her what she wants, which is sleazy.

Samara does acutally feel a connection with Shepard, she says so, but it can't happen because Samara keeps extremely tight control over her emotions because of her Code, and all Shepard is doing is trying to convinve her that the world won't end if she's happy for once.

I do admit some of the lines Bioware could have written better, i don't remeber which exactly which one but i know one line is dripping with mozzarella.

EDIT: And i do agree he tried to soon after Mornith's death (boundaries, shep, boundaries...)

That's my point.  She tells him, "Dont pursue this.  Please," but he keeps going.  He's exceeded being tolerably assertive, and by that point has become sleazy about it.

He may of come off as strong but that doesn't mean sleazy, i mean he didn't call Samara "The Priiiizzzzeee" His lines also peaked intrigue from Samara so they weren't all that bad.

IMO it would have come of as sleazy if Shepard was succesfull in his Romance, but just by the way it ended and the expression on Samara's face as she touched your face and then walked away made it a non-sleazy and actually quite beautiful.

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

His attempts weren't sleazy IMO, except if you pick the "casual sex" line.

I think they were.  Sleazy in the context of his relation to Samara.  I don't think it's possible for him to respect her if he attempts to romance her.  In that scene, Shepard is basically telling her what she wants (as if she doesn't know after 900 years of life), as if he knows better.  He's not hitting on her, he's basically telling her what she wants, which is sleazy.

Samara does acutally feel a connection with Shepard, she says so, but it can't happen because Samara keeps extremely tight control over her emotions because of her Code, and all Shepard is doing is trying to convinve her that the world won't end if she's happy for once.

I do admit some of the lines Bioware could have written better, i don't remeber which exactly which one but i know one line is dripping with mozzarella.

EDIT: And i do agree he tried to soon after Mornith's death (boundaries, shep, boundaries...)

That's my point.  She tells him, "Dont pursue this.  Please," but he keeps going.  He's exceeded being tolerably assertive, and by that point has become sleazy about it.

He may of come off as strong but that doesn't mean sleazy, i mean he didn't call Samara "The Priiiizzzzeee" His lines also peaked intrigue from Samara so they weren't all that bad.

IMO it would have come of as sleazy if Shepard was succesfull in his Romance, but just by the way it ended and the expression on Samara's face as she touched your face and then walked away made it a non-sleazy and actually quite beautiful.

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

His attempts weren't sleazy IMO, except if you pick the "casual sex" line.

I think they were.  Sleazy in the context of his relation to Samara.  I don't think it's possible for him to respect her if he attempts to romance her.  In that scene, Shepard is basically telling her what she wants (as if she doesn't know after 900 years of life), as if he knows better.  He's not hitting on her, he's basically telling her what she wants, which is sleazy.

Samara does acutally feel a connection with Shepard, she says so, but it can't happen because Samara keeps extremely tight control over her emotions because of her Code, and all Shepard is doing is trying to convinve her that the world won't end if she's happy for once.

I do admit some of the lines Bioware could have written better, i don't remeber which exactly which one but i know one line is dripping with mozzarella.

EDIT: And i do agree he tried to soon after Mornith's death (boundaries, shep, boundaries...)

That's my point.  She tells him, "Dont pursue this.  Please," but he keeps going.  He's exceeded being tolerably assertive, and by that point has become sleazy about it.

He may of come off as strong but that doesn't mean sleazy, i mean he didn't call Samara "The Priiiizzzzeee" His lines also peaked intrigue from Samara so they weren't all that bad.

IMO it would have come of as sleazy if Shepard was succesfull in his Romance, but just by the way it ended and the expression on Samara's face as she touched your face and then walked away made it a non-sleazy and actually quite beautiful.

[BlackMetal]

Sorry about triple post my comp does Meth and Oxy at the same time.

[Ashira Shepard]

The Forum just had a hiccup I think, for some reason I got a database error and couldn't access any pages for the last fifteen seconds.

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

He may of come off as strong but that doesn't mean sleazy, i mean he didn't call Samara "The Priiiizzzzeee" His lines also peaked intrigue from Samara so they weren't all that bad.

IMO it would have come of as sleazy if Shepard was succesfull in his Romance, but just by the way it ended and the expression on Samara's face as she touched your face and then walked away made it a non-sleazy and actually quite beautiful.

She kept it from being sleazy.  He kept going after she asked him politely to stop.  She's a classy woman.  Notice the options to keep pursuing her are Renegade.

@AshiraShepard

No, I'm not trying to make people who romanced her feel bad, this is just something I noticed after watching the scene.  Bioware might have been trying to tell us that we shouldn't be romancing her because it can never be, or that a Paragon Shepard wouldn't pursue her.

EDIT: I would have considered romancing her if there was a Paragon way of going about it.

What are her lines if you take the Paragon option after going the Renegade route in pursuing her?

Romance dialogue isn't necessarily Renegade/Paragon.  Though... I am glad that they didn't have Samara become a LI.  She and Grunt are my favorite characters but I like that she isn't an LI.

[DirtyVagrant]

Samara's the priiiiiiiiiize.



Arguably, you could say it's also sleazy of Shepard to hit on Tali considering her father just died.

[7Makaveli]

I like the semi-romance but its riddled with some confusion, probably intentionally. The fact that to open it up you need to be renegade shows that its not a classy idea. The next option after that is more head strong something along the lines of "I don't accept that". Then you start to think about her and what she's been through, making it seem like she needs this. You make it seem like "oh its not that big a deal if we're together" as the galaxy won't end and then you say she needs this? I'm not saying I don't like what went on, I think it was just an innocent stab in the dark from a man who is supposed to be the most eligible bachelor aboard the Normandy. And for once he does not know what he's dealing with. I like that Samara denies him, but I do want more from her in ME3, I won't lie.

Trust me as I trust and honor you

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 05 avril 2010 - 04:07 .

[DirtyVagrant]

yorkj86 wrote...

No, I'm not trying to make people who romanced her feel bad, this is just something I noticed after watching the scene.  Bioware might have been trying to tell us that we shouldn't be romancing her because it can never be, or that a Paragon Shepard wouldn't pursue her.

EDIT: I would have considered romancing her if there was a Paragon way of going about it.

What are her lines if you take the Paragon option after going the Renegade route in pursuing her?

I wouldn't say romancing her is a "renegade" way, unless you speak about casual sex. You have options that appear to be paragon in nature and Shepard tries to appeal to the connection that she admits both of them share (if you are aligned as Paragon anyway, otherwise this dialogue wouldn't be possible). However her self-control and discipline as a Justicar mean a great deal to her and as a result, she declines.

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

He may of come off as strong but that doesn't mean sleazy, i mean he didn't call Samara "The Priiiizzzzeee" His lines also peaked intrigue from Samara so they weren't all that bad.

IMO it would have come of as sleazy if Shepard was succesfull in his Romance, but just by the way it ended and the expression on Samara's face as she touched your face and then walked away made it a non-sleazy and actually quite beautiful.

She kept it from being sleazy.  He kept going after she asked him politely to stop.  She's a classy woman.  Notice the options to keep pursuing her are Renegade.

@AshiraShepard

No, I'm not trying to make people who romanced her feel bad, this is just something I noticed after watching the scene.  Bioware might have been trying to tell us that we shouldn't be romancing her because it can never be, or that a Paragon Shepard wouldn't pursue her.

EDIT: I would have considered romancing her if there was a Paragon way of going about it.

What are her lines if you take the Paragon option after going the Renegade route in pursuing her?

Absolutely true.

I love and appreciate conversations like these, they are very mature disscusions and if we disagree we can have civilized conversations and not just say "**** you your wrong."

I tip my hat to you york.

[Ashira Shepard]

So if Bioware had written the lines better you wouldn't see it as sleazy?

I'll admit some of the lines make me cringe at the beginning...

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 05 avril 2010 - 04:12 .