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[juxtaposedjoker]

*tips her hat to Lord Coake* I think you've said it the best and included theme music. Win.

[Ashira Shepard]

yorkj86 wrote...

These Samara fanfic are well-written.

One of the many great things about Samara is that because of who she is,
one can automatically tell when a piece of fanfiction is well thought
out and masterful, and when it's just a bit of wish-fulfillment.

To wit - If Samara is randy, it's time to stop reading.

Yeah, if I start noticing this I kind of just..you know...



Nice posting Lord Coake; I feel, well, a little humbled

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 11 avril 2010 - 08:04 .

[DirtyVagrant]

One thing I noticed has to do with Samara's Asari Justicar stat, the upgrade for Sapiens Justicar is as follows: Samara's biotic abilities now rival those of an asari Matriarch, further reducing the recharge time of her powers.



Do you think this is evidence that Samara has not yet entered the Matriarch stage?

[juxtaposedjoker]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

One thing I noticed has to do with Samara's Asari Justicar stat, the upgrade for Sapiens Justicar is as follows: Samara's biotic abilities now rival those of an asari Matriarch, further reducing the recharge time of her powers.

Do you think this is evidence that Samara has not yet entered the Matriarch stage?

On biowares little bio thingy for Samara it says she is 600ish.  Sounds more like middle age than the Matriarch stage which if memory serves was described in ME1 as the 'final stage'.  So with the Sapien thingy...shes just THAT good.

[Lord Coake]

juxtaposedjoker wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

One thing I noticed has to do with Samara's Asari Justicar stat, the upgrade for Sapiens Justicar is as follows: Samara's biotic abilities now rival those of an asari Matriarch, further reducing the recharge time of her powers.

Do you think this is evidence that Samara has not yet entered the Matriarch stage?

On biowares little bio thingy for Samara it says she is 600ish.  Sounds more like middle age than the Matriarch stage which if memory serves was described in ME1 as the 'final stage'.  So with the Sapien thingy...shes just THAT good.

Which calls up the rather terrifying idea of just how powerful she'll be once she actually becomes a full Matriarch.

[Kudara]

yorkj86 wrote...

These Samara fanfic are well-written.

One of the many great things about Samara is that because of who she is, one can automatically tell when a piece of fanfiction is well thought out and masterful, and when it's just a bit of wish-fulfillment.

To wit - If Samara is randy, it's time to stop reading.

Hey now, I think if it's done right you might be damn surprised by Samara.  That maiden who would have happily thrown you to the floor isn't entirely gone 

[Kudara]

Lord Coake wrote...

juxtaposedjoker wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

One thing I noticed has to do with Samara's Asari Justicar stat, the upgrade for Sapiens Justicar is as follows: Samara's biotic abilities now rival those of an asari Matriarch, further reducing the recharge time of her powers.

Do you think this is evidence that Samara has not yet entered the Matriarch stage?

On biowares little bio thingy for Samara it says she is 600ish.  Sounds more like middle age than the Matriarch stage which if memory serves was described in ME1 as the 'final stage'.  So with the Sapien thingy...shes just THAT good.

Which calls up the rather terrifying idea of just how powerful she'll be once she actually becomes a full Matriarch.

No kidding.  I've always felt she was around 700ish myself, I'm sorta surprised at the 600 figure.  After all she says she's near 1000, and while I can see 700 as near, its a bit harder for 600.

[lastpawn]

juxtaposedjoker wrote...

On biowares little bio thingy for Samara it says she is 600ish.  Sounds more like middle age than the Matriarch stage which if memory serves was described in ME1 as the 'final stage'.  So with the Sapien thingy...shes just THAT good.

BW has been notoriously incompetent with character ages in ME2. It appears that a number of characters (Grunt, Samara) have had their backstories modified, and apparently not everyone got the memo.

I go with what Samara actually says in-game: she's about 1000 years old.

[Kudara]

lastpawn wrote...

juxtaposedjoker wrote...

On biowares little bio thingy for Samara it says she is 600ish.  Sounds more like middle age than the Matriarch stage which if memory serves was described in ME1 as the 'final stage'.  So with the Sapien thingy...shes just THAT good.

BW has been notoriously incompetent with character ages in ME2. It appears that a number of characters (Grunt, Samara) have had their backstories modified, and apparently not everyone got the memo.

I go with what Samara actually says in-game: she's about 1000 years old.

I honestly don't feel as though that fit's the backstory we have for her.  She's been chasing Morinth for 400 years, and Morinth started running when she was 40.  So lets say she had Morinth 500 ish years ago.  That puts her around 500, she clearly says that she stopped being a mercenary and maiden early (after the Collector incident).  I just think 500 is late for her to have children when she says she came out of maidenhood early.  Which to me means prior to 300 years old.  I'll stand by my 700 to 800 years old

[Yana Montana]

http://www.fanfictio...5/1/A_night_out - my fanfic featuring all ME2 Normandy ladies (Samara is in Chapter 2), still in progress, but I'd like to know your opinions and suggestions, guys.

Modifié par Yana Montana, 11 avril 2010 - 02:47 .

[Zulu_DFA]

juxtaposedjoker wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

One thing I noticed has to do with Samara's Asari Justicar stat, the upgrade for Sapiens Justicar is as follows: Samara's biotic abilities now rival those of an asari Matriarch, further reducing the recharge time of her powers.

Do you think this is evidence that Samara has not yet entered the Matriarch stage?

On biowares little bio thingy for Samara it says she is 600ish.  Sounds more like middle age than the Matriarch stage which if memory serves was described in ME1 as the 'final stage'.  So with the Sapien thingy...shes just THAT good.

Bio thingies at BioWare's are crap. Zaeed, for instance, simply frigging can't be forty (or he would have had to start the Blue Suns as a teenager).

Samara herself states that she's closing on 1000. So she may be well past the formal age of matriarch. Also Morinth (who seems to be have been the youngest of three) was born ~440 years ago, and by that time Samara said she'd entered her matron stage, which is ~300 years. So Samara is at least 750.

That said, "the matriarch" may have something about the social status too, and Samara's social status is "Justicar". Also, her physical and metaphysical Justicar training may have altered her aging process, so she looks much younger than Benezia.

[DirtyVagrant]

Kudara wrote...

lastpawn wrote...

juxtaposedjoker wrote...

On biowares little bio thingy for Samara it says she is 600ish.  Sounds more like middle age than the Matriarch stage which if memory serves was described in ME1 as the 'final stage'.  So with the Sapien thingy...shes just THAT good.

BW has been notoriously incompetent with character ages in ME2. It appears that a number of characters (Grunt, Samara) have had their backstories modified, and apparently not everyone got the memo.

I go with what Samara actually says in-game: she's about 1000 years old.

I honestly don't feel as though that fit's the backstory we have for her.  She's been chasing Morinth for 400 years, and Morinth started running when she was 40.  So lets say she had Morinth 500 ish years ago.  That puts her around 500, she clearly says that she stopped being a mercenary and maiden early (after the Collector incident).  I just think 500 is late for her to have children when she says she came out of maidenhood early.  Which to me means prior to 300 years old.  I'll stand by my 700 to 800 years old

I agree with you there. She isn't as close to 1000 as some people think because again after killing Morinth, she says she has centuries left to live with it.

[Flamewielder]

Lord Coake wrote...

"in character" I see Shep (I play FemShep) feeling hurt, but then
understanding what just happened when Sarama rejects her in the Observation Room.  Samara didn't say the she didn't love Shep.  She said that she couldn't be in a relationship.

Given the coming war with the  Reapers, or at the very least a long, hard path to unifying the galaxy against them, there'd be no time for whats commonly seen as a relationship.

What would Shep want?  Marrige and kids?  Samra's done both, and likely will not want to risk having another Ardat Yakshi.  The best Shep can really hope far is someone she can trust to stand at her side and have her back.  Someone to go though hell and high water with her again and again until the war is won.  Someone she can trust with the lives of the people she cares for, respect, and stand shoulder to shoulder with against the greatest threat civilization has ever met.

With Samara, Shepard has just that.  Maybe, sometime in the furture, they can find a moment of peace and allow themselvs to hold one another for a few fleeting heartbeats between battles.  That time is not now, though.  Now is the time to lock up everything that gets in the way and focus on saving everything they love and hold dear.  It's a time for War, not love.

Will a time when both of them can set aside everything they've been fighting for and live in the moment come in their lifetimes?  Probably not.  Nothing says they can't hope and fight for it though.

Samara said "Another time.  Another life."  She did not say "No, never."

She wasn't a quickie before tossing themselves into what amounts to a hard fought skirmish.  If Samara is to be someone Shepard can love, she's going to be someone Shep has to stand, fight, and endure hell and damnnation for.  For Samara, Shep will have to face the absolute worst of everything the universe can bring to bear, meet it head on, and never under any circumstances falter or relent.  Shepard will have to walk the darkest, hardest, and most grinding and sould destroying path that we all ultimately walk alone with nothing left to drive her but the trust that Samara will be at the end of it, with Samara feeling the same fer her.  A relationship is something they'll have to drive for.  Fight, bleed, weep and battle tooth and nail with every iota of their being to acheive.

Thats not just love, it's faith.  You can be dammed sure that Samara would do the same for Shepard, but is Shepard willing to do the same for her? 

Screw happy music, warm and fluffy feelings, and a cute pre-battle love scene.  For an epic space opera, there needs to be an epic love story to go with it, and in my view, Samara easily fits the bill.  Ture love isn't painted in pastels with chirping birds and happy dances.  True Love is passion and war and defiance.  It's not a bright sunny day in a field of flowers, it is Malestrom unleashed.  It's as much trust and respect as loyalty and sacrifice, even if that sacrifice is the one you love above all.  Shepard loves Samara enough to make sacrifices for her, but does she love Samara enough to sacrifice her for what they both hold dear?  Is Samara willing to do the same?

Love, much like hate, is a word that gets tossed around far and away too much anymore.  If one feels like using that word to describe something they'd best be goddamed willing to back it up, otherwise it's a sham.

Nothing worth fighting for is every easy.  And if it ever seems it is, you either completely failed somewhere and dropped the ball, or the fight is just getting started.  I get that vibe from Samara.  The fight ins't over by a long shot, so no celebrating yet.

Yes, I'm a Samara shipper.  Though I think that if a romance between Shepard and Samara shopuld be written, than it should be of the kind that makes gods weep.


As an aside, I think this captures the feel of what a Shepard/Samara romance should require to acheive.  A perfect theme song.

<applauds> Great rant! I approve wholeheartedly. Give us an epic romance or none at all.

[DirtyVagrant]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I am starting to wonder how many user names Ecael has.
http://social.biowar...18420/3#2221596

*facepalm*

I wonder if we should a 'Samara' or 'Justicar Samara' handle.

EDIT: Kaidan handle has surfaced, oh boy...

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 11 avril 2010 - 04:09 .

[Yana Montana]

It's like Twitter ME RP'ing is not enough. >_<

Modifié par Yana Montana, 11 avril 2010 - 04:15 .

[Kudara]

yorkj86 wrote...

Kudara wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

These Samara fanfic are well-written.

One of the many great things about Samara is that because of who she is, one can automatically tell when a piece of fanfiction is well thought out and masterful, and when it's just a bit of wish-fulfillment.

To wit - If Samara is randy, it's time to stop reading.

Hey now, I think if it's done right you might be damn surprised by Samara.  That maiden who would have happily thrown you to the floor isn't entirely gone 

Samara has class, and randy as a word has a dirty sound to it.  If Samara were to eventually be in the mood with Shepard, I don't think the situation would amount to the both of them scrambling to get their clothes off as fast as possible.  That's what I meant.

True enough and I suspect she always had class, you don't just suddenly wake up with it at 600 or so.  And you're right I don't think it would end up that way either.  
I'm just saying that you can have class and still be a hidden fire in bed.:innocent:

Modifié par Kudara, 11 avril 2010 - 04:17 .

[Yana Montana]

I reckon Sam is a very skilled lover.

[BlackMetal]

Yana Montana wrote...

I reckon Sam is a very skilled lover.

I concur.

[7Makaveli]

[7Makaveli]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
explode with ecstasy in a sexual encounter. :innocent:

She's an ARDAT YAKSHI D:

seriously Shepard needs to buy lifetime warranty from TIM just to do it with Morinth

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 11 avril 2010 - 05:05 .

[Ashira Shepard]

I feel bad showing you guys this but at the same time->



Am I the only one who gets that crippling urge to jump in and cuddle her? Now I really do need a straitjacket.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 11 avril 2010 - 05:08 .