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[LiquidGrape]

slimgrin wrote...

Thanks NICK. ME2 has some of the best music I have ever heard in a game.

"Some of" being the key phrases.
It's a mighty fitting soundtrack, though Akira Yamaoka remains the master of musical accompaniments in video games.
I mean, Silent Hill
That's a no-brainer right there.

Anywho; thought I'd just share two screen caps from the other day when Samara and I saved the known universe.
You know, same old same old.

[LiquidGrape]

yorkj86 wrote...

Hey, LiquidGrape,

Want to hear a Mass Effect-related Swede joke?

Please, go ahead!
Don't worry if it's insulting, I'm as far removed from patriotic spirit as one can be.

[LiquidGrape]

yorkj86 wrote...
In what ways are the Asari and the Swedes similar?


Everyone wants to breed with them, and it takes a 100 years for them to get anything done.

....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh my. That's a keeper.

[Ashira Shepard]

Flamewielder wrote...
Thanks!

Just wrapping up month-end while listening to Samara's ME2 OST track... sublime!

re:Black Angel, I think it's a great exploration of the Sole Survivor background. I look at Samara through the eyes of a War Hero, hence my picturing the friendship/romance relationship slightly differently. The bond is there, the emotion is there, but the connection comes from a shared willingness to sacrifice oneself to protect others. Kindred spirits that bond for the same reasons they choose to remain apart.

I was amused to notice that Ashley Williams was among your least favorite characters... seeing that Ashley is a Sole Survivor herself (her unit being wiped out by geth instead of thresher maws). Have you given thought about writing a little one-off about Ashira fighting a thresher maw ON FOOT with Grunt and Samara? I imagine that would be worth a read...

Just as a point I meant to make, Williams likens Aliens to DOGS. I don't much care for her similar background; I want to be BFFs with Aliens. Xenophobic traits make me instantly dislike a character.

But the actual point of this post.

Done! "Ghost of Akuze"

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5891718/1/

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 12 avril 2010 - 06:25 .

[LiquidGrape]

I think they did an excellent job in rationalising Ashley's deeply-rooted xenophobia.
Doesn't mean I approve of it, but it certainly endowed her with a depth which Kaidan sorely lacked.
...And I admit, it was fun to oppose her opinion on almost every issue.
Religion, politics, general attitude...it felt refreshing to have a Yin to your Yang always available to shoot down with your brilliant rhetoric.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 12 avril 2010 - 06:38 .

[LiquidGrape]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

I think they did an excellent job in rationalising Ashley's deeply-rooted xenophobia.
Doesn't mean I approve of it, but it certainly endowed her with a depth which Kaidan sorely lacked.
...And I admit, it was fun to oppose her opinion on almost every issue.
Religion, politics, general attitude...it felt refreshing to have a Yin to your Yang always available to shoot down with your brilliant rhetoric.

What about Jacob?  Doesn't seem to be a lot of depth there to me. 

Let's forget about some of his dialog for the moment.lol

If you were writing fanfic, would you like to add to his character's depth and perhaps change it around a little?

Initially, I actually did include Jacob in that post. But I thought I'd stop beating that horse for a while.
Sure, he's the least interesting character in the entire Mass Effect-universe, but the man deserves a break.
For a while.

And yes, I would most definitely try and whip up something distinctive to his persona.
Kaidan at least had some vague hint of what could be called a "colourful" past, killing a turian instructor at Jump Zero, for example.
But Jacob?
Some underwhelming domestic issues is pretty much the only feather he could stick in his hat.
If I was to add anything to him, it would likely have something to do with the hypocrisy he displays as the player recruits Thane.
- He objects to mercenaries when that is pretty much the precise definition of his own profession?
I would've loved to engage him in a heated dicussion about his inherent moral contradictions.
Who knows, maybe it would've revealed something about his time in the Corsairs worth noting...

[Ashira Shepard]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Strickly from a writer's perspective, wouldn't one want to make the characters in one's story as interesting as possible to captivate the reader?  Or is this unnecessary depending on the plot and theme?  In other words, regardless of your personal thoughts about a character, don't you still want to make them interesting to the reader from a writer's viewpoint?

Being a writer, I want to make my character's likable in their own ways; but I only give xenophobia or other "undesirable" traits to someone I wanted the reader to hate. I hate narrow-minded people, but I'll tolerate them if I have to. I never spoke to Ashley more than once, I was already dreading what she might say.

I won't bash others for liking her, but I don't personally like her.

[Yana Montana]

Ashley is not xenophobic, she resents both humans and aliens equally because of what they all did to her grandfather. If you romance her in ME1 it's very clear and Shepard can even talk her out of hating everyone. Besides her caution towards aliens is quite understandable - she never worked or see many of them before and seeing how reluctant Citadel Council is to help Shepard in finding Saren, these feelings seem rather well-placed (not that I agree with them).

[Kudara]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...
Just as a point I meant to make, Williams likens Aliens to DOGS. I don't much care for her similar background; I want to be BFFs with Aliens. Xenophobic traits make me instantly dislike a character.

Strickly from a writer's perspective, wouldn't one want to make the characters in one's story as interesting as possible to captivate the reader?  Or is this unnecessary depending on the plot and theme?  In other words, regardless of your personal thoughts about a character, don't you still want to make them interesting to the reader from a writer's viewpoint?

Yes you do want to make them interesting, but of couse it does depend on what the plot and theme of your story is about.  I agree that Ashley is a well written character, she gets you engaged with her either one way or another.  Whether you disagree or agree with her opinions.  Plus she's a multi-facted character, her xenophobia is by no means the whole of her character.

[Kudara]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...
Being a writer, I want to make my character's likable in their own ways; but I only give xenophobia or other "undesirable" traits to someone I wanted the reader to hate. I hate narrow-minded people, but I'll tolerate them if I have to.

Dealing with narrow mindedness is frustrating and often times futile.  With that said though, some people change and become more receptive over time.  I can say that this has happened to me personally about several issues.  Sometimes a lot of it simply has to do with maturity and people change.  Try not to be too intolerant of them.

AshiraShepard wrote...
I never spoke to Ashley more than once, I was already dreading what she might say.

I exhausted all of the dialog with her.  It gives you a little better perspective as to why she thinks the way she does.  Shep can slowly change some of her views during the game.

I exhausted her dialogue as well, and I ended up liking her.  She's a product of her past, really any other way of acting would not have fit her past nearly so well.  It's interesting seeing her opinions soften a little over the course of the game.

[Kudara]

In many ways the character of Ashley is actually similar to Samara, both are strongly written characters that people tend to either like or dislike. Both of them have pasts that have shaped the person that you get to meet in the game. Both of them have strong opinions and aren't afraid to let Shepard know about them.

[NICKjnp]

Kudara wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...
Being a writer, I want to make my character's likable in their own ways; but I only give xenophobia or other "undesirable" traits to someone I wanted the reader to hate. I hate narrow-minded people, but I'll tolerate them if I have to.

Dealing with narrow mindedness is frustrating and often times futile.  With that said though, some people change and become more receptive over time.  I can say that this has happened to me personally about several issues.  Sometimes a lot of it simply has to do with maturity and people change.  Try not to be too intolerant of them.

AshiraShepard wrote...
I never spoke to Ashley more than once, I was already dreading what she might say.

I exhausted all of the dialog with her.  It gives you a little better perspective as to why she thinks the way she does.  Shep can slowly change some of her views during the game.

I exhausted her dialogue as well, and I ended up liking her.  She's a product of her past, really any other way of acting would not have fit her past nearly so well.  It's interesting seeing her opinions soften a little over the course of the game.

It's interesting how you can paragon pursuade her to agree with the Council... enough so that she will be the pro-council voice(even over Liara, Tali or Garrus) if you bring her with you to the Saren-Frog fight.

[Kudara]

AshiraShepard wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Strickly from a writer's perspective, wouldn't one want to make the characters in one's story as interesting as possible to captivate the reader?  Or is this unnecessary depending on the plot and theme?  In other words, regardless of your personal thoughts about a character, don't you still want to make them interesting to the reader from a writer's viewpoint?

Being a writer, I want to make my character's likable in their own ways; but I only give xenophobia or other "undesirable" traits to someone I wanted the reader to hate. I hate narrow-minded people, but I'll tolerate them if I have to. I never spoke to Ashley more than once, I was already dreading what she might say.

I won't bash others for liking her, but I don't personally like her.

As a writer I love evolving characters, and making them grow.  So I don't necessarily need to make my characters start out likable.  They may not even finish as wholly likeable, what's more important to me is that the reader's understand them and the why's of what their doing.

Which I think is why I liked Samara so much.  I wasn't really sure of her to start out with, honestly the way she killed that merc turned me off a little as did some of the things she said, but then I got to know and understand her better and my respect and interest in her grew exponentially.  I don't think that would have happened had our intro to her been softer.

[Kudara]

Which is not to say that making likable character is bad in any way, I'm just saying that handing your character a trait which they need to overcome can drive the plot and be interesting in and of itself.

[Ashira Shepard]

Well, not all of my characters a likable. Some of them are cold, uncaring and cruel. and they're the main character. But I give a reason and background to show why they are the way they are.



I'm not good at explaining myself *sigh* I'll just - yeah. *hides under a rock*