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[NICKjnp]

Harbinger: THE DELAY IS UNACCEPTABLE SHADOW BROKER!

Shadow Broker: And yet you will accept it -- unless you collectors know of another source that has Shepard's body. Shepard will be brought to a location of my own choosing. The transaction will take place there and nowhere else. Other players have entered the game. I must protect my sources and methods.



Last page of ME Redemption issue #1

[Flamewielder]

As I was raking my backyard I was wondering how ME3 could include all the current characters without busting the 2 disk limitation set by XBox360. Several posters on other threads argue that you couldn't possibly bring all the squaddies back with worthwhile content.

I disaggree, mainly because most characters in ME3 actually had 2 missions each: a recruitment and a loyalty.

Single mission:

Jacob
Miranda
Zaeed
Kasumi

Dual missions

Legion
Grunt
Garrus
Thane
Samara
Jack
Tali
Mordin

That's 20 missions for characters alone, plus Freedom's Progress, Horizon and the Suicide Mission, plus a number of exploration side missions.

From what we're seeing on the Cerberus Network news, the picture being painted is that of a galaxy divided, with other species becoming more distrustful of humans, the Terminus systems paranoid about a Coucil invasion, warmongering amongst quarians, Cerberus/TIM is pissed off at Shepard, etc...

The stage is set for Shepard and his crew to go on a reunification tour, with missions aiming at winning the trust of each faction for the coming war against the Reapers. Shepard's crew has representatives of almost all major species...

Tali/Legion - obvious mission to broker peace
Miranda/Jacob - Tying-up loose ends with Cerberus (destroying/wrenching control from TIM?)
Garrus - Garrus' father is a C-Sec man, possibly important by now. Convincing C-Sec of the reality of the Reaper threat might go a long way.
Thane - The drell have considerable clout with the Hanar. Thane's former employers may be powerful allies. Mission on Hanar homeworld?
Mordin - A obviously respected former STG member. Mission in salarian space to convince them.
Samara - An asari justicar, whose mere word is taken as evidence among asari. 'nuf said.
Grunt - A happy member of clan Urdnot, who's leader doesn't need convincing. Given Grunt's popularity among breeding females, I anticipate a population explosion in clan Urdnot's near future, with a considerable inclrease in political clout among krogans.
Ashley/Kaidan - A mission to convince the Alliance brass.
Jack/Zaeed - A mission in the Terminus systems to win support among non-council worlds and mercenary outfits
Liara - A resolution of the Shadowbroker story arc.

That's 10 missions... make 'em extra long (i.e. double the lenght of ME2's) that's still 20 ME2 missions. No problem in my book.

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Harbinger: THE DELAY IS UNACCEPTABLE SHADOW BROKER!
Shadow Broker: And yet you will accept it -- unless you collectors know of another source that has Shepard's body. Shepard will be brought to a location of my own choosing. The transaction will take place there and nowhere else. Other players have entered the game. I must protect my sources and methods.

Last page of ME Redemption issue #1

Doesn't sound he is indoctrinated at that time then anyway by those comments.  Hmmm, you know the SB has gotta be smart.  He/She has to know the threat that exists to everone in the galaxy from the Reapers.  Why the hell would the SB deal with them.  It seems as though there has to be some kind of influence there.

Money... some people value it above all else.

You do know there is going to be a Liara DLC where you get to go kill the Shadow Broker right?  There is a place holder on the discs for it just like they have place holders for Kasumi.  I bet they took it out so they could sell it later on.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 14 avril 2010 - 03:26 .

[BlackMetal]

Flamewielder wrote...

As I was raking my backyard I was wondering how ME3 could include all the current characters without busting the 2 disk limitation set by XBox360. Several posters on other threads argue that you couldn't possibly bring all the squaddies back with worthwhile content.

I disaggree, mainly because most characters in ME3 actually had 2 missions each: a recruitment and a loyalty.

Single mission:

Jacob
Miranda
Zaeed
Kasumi

Dual missions

Legion
Grunt
Garrus
Thane
Samara
Jack
Tali
Mordin

That's 20 missions for characters alone, plus Freedom's Progress, Horizon and the Suicide Mission, plus a number of exploration side missions.

From what we're seeing on the Cerberus Network news, the picture being painted is that of a galaxy divided, with other species becoming more distrustful of humans, the Terminus systems paranoid about a Coucil invasion, warmongering amongst quarians, Cerberus/TIM is pissed off at Shepard, etc...

The stage is set for Shepard and his crew to go on a reunification tour, with missions aiming at winning the trust of each faction for the coming war against the Reapers. Shepard's crew has representatives of almost all major species...

Tali/Legion - obvious mission to broker peace
Miranda/Jacob - Tying-up loose ends with Cerberus (destroying/wrenching control from TIM?)
Garrus - Garrus' father is a C-Sec man, possibly important by now. Convincing C-Sec of the reality of the Reaper threat might go a long way.
Thane - The drell have considerable clout with the Hanar. Thane's former employers may be powerful allies. Mission on Hanar homeworld?
Mordin - A obviously respected former STG member. Mission in salarian space to convince them.
Samara - An asari justicar, whose mere word is taken as evidence among asari. 'nuf said.
Grunt - A happy member of clan Urdnot, who's leader doesn't need convincing. Given Grunt's popularity among breeding females, I anticipate a population explosion in clan Urdnot's near future, with a considerable inclrease in political clout among krogans.
Ashley/Kaidan - A mission to convince the Alliance brass.
Jack/Zaeed - A mission in the Terminus systems to win support among non-council worlds and mercenary outfits
Liara - A resolution of the Shadowbroker story arc.

That's 10 missions... make 'em extra long (i.e. double the lenght of ME2's) that's still 20 ME2 missions. No problem in my book.

Dude all your mission ideas are amazing, im not even kidding.

[7Makaveli]

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*Shepard's thoughts*: "the pretty asari is all mine! muhahahahahahaha"

[7Makaveli]

Flamewielder wrote...

As I was raking my backyard I was wondering how ME3 could include all the current characters without busting the 2 disk limitation set by XBox360. Several posters on other threads argue that you couldn't possibly bring all the squaddies back with worthwhile content.

I disaggree, mainly because most characters in ME3 actually had 2 missions each: a recruitment and a loyalty.

Single mission:

Jacob
Miranda
Zaeed
Kasumi

Dual missions

Legion
Grunt
Garrus
Thane
Samara
Jack
Tali
Mordin

That's 20 missions for characters alone, plus Freedom's Progress, Horizon and the Suicide Mission, plus a number of exploration side missions.

From what we're seeing on the Cerberus Network news, the picture being painted is that of a galaxy divided, with other species becoming more distrustful of humans, the Terminus systems paranoid about a Coucil invasion, warmongering amongst quarians, Cerberus/TIM is pissed off at Shepard, etc...

The stage is set for Shepard and his crew to go on a reunification tour, with missions aiming at winning the trust of each faction for the coming war against the Reapers. Shepard's crew has representatives of almost all major species...

Tali/Legion - obvious mission to broker peace
Miranda/Jacob - Tying-up loose ends with Cerberus (destroying/wrenching control from TIM?)
Garrus - Garrus' father is a C-Sec man, possibly important by now. Convincing C-Sec of the reality of the Reaper threat might go a long way.
Thane - The drell have considerable clout with the Hanar. Thane's former employers may be powerful allies. Mission on Hanar homeworld?
Mordin - A obviously respected former STG member. Mission in salarian space to convince them.
Samara - An asari justicar, whose mere word is taken as evidence among asari. 'nuf said.
Grunt - A happy member of clan Urdnot, who's leader doesn't need convincing. Given Grunt's popularity among breeding females, I anticipate a population explosion in clan Urdnot's near future, with a considerable inclrease in political clout among krogans.
Ashley/Kaidan - A mission to convince the Alliance brass.
Jack/Zaeed - A mission in the Terminus systems to win support among non-council worlds and mercenary outfits
Liara - A resolution of the Shadowbroker story arc.

That's 10 missions... make 'em extra long (i.e. double the lenght of ME2's) that's still 20 ME2 missions. No problem in my book.

yes yes yes! For garrus it would be his connections back at C-Sec allowing us to do more exploring in the unknown depths of the Citadel for the Keeper source. Jack could reunite with an old merc band she rolled with and bring em to our side. Thane allowing us "misfits" to enter the Hanar world se we can quiz them about the protheans. things like that are very plausible. and like the loyalty missions, if you don't do them then you risk being a douche leaving all these races to fend for themselves lol, a true renegade path.

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Harbinger: THE DELAY IS UNACCEPTABLE SHADOW BROKER!
Shadow Broker: And yet you will accept it -- unless you collectors know of another source that has Shepard's body. Shepard will be brought to a location of my own choosing. The transaction will take place there and nowhere else. Other players have entered the game. I must protect my sources and methods.

Last page of ME Redemption issue #1

Doesn't sound he is indoctrinated at that time then anyway by those comments.  Hmmm, you know the SB has gotta be smart.  He/She has to know the threat that exists to everone in the galaxy from the Reapers.  Why the hell would the SB deal with them.  It seems as though there has to be some kind of influence there.

Money... some people value it above all else.

You do know there is going to be a Liara DLC where you get to go kill the Shadow Broker right?  There is a place holder on the discs for it just like they have place holders for Kasumi.  I bet they took it out so they could sell it later on.

That Liara DLC  is just rumor.  There is nothing solid on that though.  We don't know that for sure.  I am not saying that it will not happen, but those audio files that have Liara talking about the SB may have been cut out just the same as s/s dialog, but just left in the game folders.

Ignore the visuals but listen to the audio:

[7Makaveli]

I'm going to say this about a Liara DLC. If there is anything that progresses her character arc than it should be done front and center in Mass Effect 3. That is the only way to fix the debauchery that was her appearance ME2. That is due.

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@NICK
I have already heard those. What I am saying is that there is also same sex LI dialog in the game folders also that is not used. There is quite a bit of audio that is being used in the folders. That Liara audio in the folders doesn't mean it will happen. It could be the case, but it isn't a done deal.

Alright but I think that it will be used.  Why create something new when you can use what is already there?  We will more than likely see it in future DLC (just like Kasumi).

[7Makaveli]

Regardless, we all agree that potential for a plot-centric role for Samara is clearly there if the writers do their jobs.

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
@NICK
I have already heard those. What I am saying is that there is also same sex LI dialog in the game folders also that is not used. There is quite a bit of audio that is not being used in the folders. That Liara audio in the folders doesn't mean it will happen. It could be the case, but it isn't a done deal.

Alright but I think that it will be used.  Why create something new when you can use what is already there?  We will more than likely see it in future DLC (just like Kasumi).

I tend to agree, but I am not counting on it myself though.

I am counting on EA pulling this kind of crap.  They will also probably release s/s romance dlc (already on the disc) and charge for it.

[Flamewielder]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...
That's 10 missions... make 'em extra long (i.e. double the lenght of ME2's) that's still 20 ME2 missions. No problem in my book.

There is a small problem there though.  Those squadmates are not alive in everyones save file.

If those squadmates are dead, its because their loyalty missions were never done: but that did not stop Bioware from going through the trouble of creating these loyalty missions, even if some people decided not to do them. Bioware did not consider loyalty missions "a waste of programming time and voice acting talent", as many keep repeating on these boards.

I argue that Bioware can create missions for everyone, just as they created loyalty missions for everyone in ME2, (as if creating a "No One Left Behind" achievement wasn't incentive enough to get every player do a "perfect" playthrough just to see what will happen in ME3).

[7Makaveli]

the thing about the squadmates continuity comes down to writer integrity. If you write a character, you want people to be drawn to them. not necessarily in a positive way but enough to make you feel a certain way about them. if enough people feel a certain way about a character then they have done their job. In Samara's case; mission accomplished. they want you to be awed by her in some ways, and in others to feel sorry for her even though you know she won't accept your pity. this is a multidimensional character worthy of more development like all the others are (I'm just using samara as an example here). so to make someone like this and then leave her within the context of one game is cheating writers integrity imo.

lets look at garrus and tali, the only two ME1 squadmates to rejoin you. they were featured in ME1 just enough to make you feel them. a male Shep may want to mold and shape garrus, and maybe learn about more and protect tali. well in ME2 this more or less comes to realization as their loyalty missions all involve the aforementioned actions. all of this was lightly foreshadowed in ME1. so if they've planted the seeds for Samara in ME2, then I can't wait to see the result in the next game.

EDIT: this rant did not take into account squadmate deaths.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 14 avril 2010 - 04:05 .