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[Kudara]

I would have liked more interaction between the various squadmates as well. Hopefully, as you mentioned, they will put it in ME3.



Honestly thought, its Jack that I'm most interested in. Yes Jack has done some very bad things yet at the same time she's like the walking poster child for why Samara should protect innocents, especially children. I really don't think Jack would have been the person we see in the game if it weren't for the abuse Cerberus put her through.

[Kudara]

Why am I remembering something about children freed from batarian slavers? Am I misremembering that?

[Whatcote Park]

Nah I remember something like that as well... was it zaeed or garrus who invaded a ship but let free the children..? cant really remember either

[adriano_c]

I believe it was Zaeed.

[Kudara]

Whatcote Park wrote...

Nah I remember something like that as well... was it zaeed or garrus who invaded a ship but let free the children..? cant really remember either

Umm thats not ringing a bell, it was something about where they got the children for the experiment Jack was in.

[Kudara]

yorkj86 wrote...

Zaeed says he saved a little girl from some Batarian slavers. There's a bit of dialogue where Jack swears that Zaeed is familiar to her, but that's as far as the conversation goes.  Speculation!

Really? where does that occur?  You mean there's dialoue with Zaeed that I've missed!  I thought he just kept talking about Jessie and that helmet.

[gneissguy2003]

Kudara wrote...

Whatcote Park wrote...

Nah I remember something like that as well... was it zaeed or garrus who invaded a ship but let free the children..? cant really remember either

Umm thats not ringing a bell, it was something about where they got the children for the experiment Jack was in.

You're thinking of Jack's loyalty quest where the guy you find on Pragia says that most or at least many of the kids that were brought to the facility had been kidnapped by Batarian slavers.

[Kudara]

gneissguy2003 wrote...

Kudara wrote...

Whatcote Park wrote...

Nah I remember something like that as well... was it zaeed or garrus who invaded a ship but let free the children..? cant really remember either

Umm thats not ringing a bell, it was something about where they got the children for the experiment Jack was in.

You're thinking of Jack's loyalty quest where the guy you find on Pragia says that most or at least many of the kids that were brought to the facility had been kidnapped by Batarian slavers.

Yes that it! Thank you.

[BlackMetal]

Confrontation between Samara and Jack would be interesting, because even though i agree Jack had to deal with a lot of messed up and cruel **** as a child, you have to remember Samara's code is black and white, i don't think Jack's past would be enough to sway Samara from killing her.

[DirtyVagrant]

yorkj86 wrote...

Zaeed says he saved a little girl from some Batarian slavers. There's a bit of dialogue where Jack swears that Zaeed is familiar to her, but that's as far as the conversation goes.  Speculation!

I recall Zaeed saying that but I don't remember Jack ever saying anything like that. Is that piece of dialogue a part of those only accessible if I romance her? Because I remember hearing Zaeed tell that story and I looked up the system name Zaeed said it happened and the system Pragia was in and it didn't match.

[adriano_c]

The conversation, or rather the pieces of its dialogue, are only found on the disc (unused, as far as can be told at the moment).

[gneissguy2003]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Zaeed says he saved a little girl from some Batarian slavers. There's a bit of dialogue where Jack swears that Zaeed is familiar to her, but that's as far as the conversation goes.  Speculation!

I recall Zaeed saying that but I don't remember Jack ever saying anything like that. Is that piece of dialogue a part of those only accessible if I romance her? Because I remember hearing Zaeed tell that story and I looked up the system name Zaeed said it happened and the system Pragia was in and it didn't match.

For those of you wondering about the mystery conversation between Jack and Zaeed, it has to do with some audio files that actually exist within the game. Apparently, the conversation has a random chance of occurring if you have them both in your party while on Omega, but I don't know of anyone actually having heard the conversation take place. BobbyTheI tracked down the audio files and spliced them together to what he believed would be their actual procession, and you can download his splice here if you want to listen to it yourself.

[7Makaveli]

Great to see some engaging discussion. Especially some Jack comparisons. As different as those two characters appear, there is a reason that only those two are meant for the biotic shield in the suicide mission. Probably the most symbolism hinted at during the suicide mission. I'll delve into it a bit later maybe, as I just had two back to back exams...and am exhausted to say the least.

[NICKjnp]

Ultai wrote...

It'd be interesting to hear Thane and her talk, how he considers himself a weapon and that his employers are the killers and not him.  I don't see her getting much out of Grunt though, I laughed when I had him on her recruitment mission and she was talking about how she can comply for one day with the detective.

Grunt: Asari are stupid, your code means you kill her tomorrow instead of today
Samara: I'm afraid so

Grunt has some of the best lines in the game.

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

Bioware means to ship Jack and Samara?

guh?

I sincerely hope that isn't the case

[adriano_c]

The two are actually quite comparable in a few respects. Both had their lives "stolen" from them, in a sense. Samara, ready for some well-earned retirement and quality time with the family, has that thrown out of the window. Jack was stripped of her youth and innocence. Both compensate for their situations by trying to avoid intimacy, convincing themselves it's what they need to do to carry on, each using a "shield" to do so. One uses, in a rather flimsy way, adherence to a code that supposedly puts her above such stuff as an emotional substitute. The other simply drives people away by taking on a personality she thinks might do the trick.

Then, they're also similar in the sense that each is the flip side of the same coin. Lawful/chaotic, controlled/impetuous, old/young, and so forth.

-edit. elegant/crude, subtle/harsh. It goes on and on!

Modifié par adriano_c, 17 avril 2010 - 01:16 .

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

I was trying to anticipate the meaning you see in the way only Samara and Jack were suitable choices for the biotic shield during the suicide mission.  And I was being silly about it.

lol that's foreshadowing mane.

I mean symbolism like a shield can represent: protection, salvation, safety, faith, honor. How Samara falls into those archetypes is fairly clear. WIth Jack you have more complex connections like its her redemption for not having a care in the world and doing everything for instincts. In this case she has to suppress her chaotic
energy inwards to protect something.

[7Makaveli]

the whole biotic shield part is probably my favorite part of the suicide mission.

its whole progression is pretty cool. its starts off with "I'll keep the shield up for as long as I can..." = promising and swearing to protect. Then in the middle its all like "Hurry Shepard..." = endurance and patience is tested. Then in the end the epic blast that sends the collectors reeling = learning how to orient your inner torment correctly. Some like that, iunno...