Samara thread
#3651
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 01:23
And thank you for sharing, gneissguy2003, that's pretty damn neat. I've never used Jack enough for that convo to really appear if it does have a chance of doing so.
#3652
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 01:24
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#3653
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 01:27
#3654
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 01:30
#3655
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 01:37
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
I was teasing adriano.7Makaveli wrote...
Be tasteful.
#3656
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 01:48
#3657
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 01:52
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Well I guess so.adriano_c wrote...
I'll do your dirty work for you...
Did you draw that?
Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 17 avril 2010 - 01:53 .
#3658
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 01:55
#3659
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 02:00
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#3660
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 02:03
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#3661
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 02:06
JohnnyDollar wrote...
Megan Fox to play bikini clad warrior
http://www.imdb.com/news/ni2014612/
She isn't really as tall or fit as Bridgitte Nielsen. I don't thing she would be good in that role.
#3662
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 02:12
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#3663
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 02:16
JohnnyDollar wrote...
You know I don't I ever watched the original Red Sonja movie.
European actors trying to speak English... but my point remains the same. Megan Fox just doesn't remind me of a fitness model like Bridgitte Nielsen. Can you really visualize Megan Fox attempting to swing a large sword? She would swing it and the wait of it would send her flying as well. Or it would be like trying to wield that largest sword in Fable 1 when your stats were still too low.
#3664
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 02:24
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Nah, she is a good pinup girl, but not a warrior IMO.NICKjnp wrote...
JohnnyDollar wrote...
You know I don't I ever watched the original Red Sonja movie.
European actors trying to speak English... but my point remains the same. Megan Fox just doesn't remind me of a fitness model like Bridgitte Nielsen. Can you really visualize Megan Fox attempting to swing a large sword? She would swing it and the wait of it would send her flying as well. Or it would be like trying to wield that largest sword in Fable 1 when your stats were still too low.
On a side not:
It is a little sad that so many of the stars in Hollywood would not be famous if it wasn't for their physical appearance. Too much is emphasized on this IMO. I like beautiful women just as much as the next guy, but in a movie, I want great acting also. The person's acting talent unfortunately is often times over-shadowed by physical features. The T.V. media is the same way if not worse IMO.
Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 17 avril 2010 - 02:29 .
#3665
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 02:28
JohnnyDollar wrote...
Nah, she is a good pinup girl, but not a warrior IMO.NICKjnp wrote...
JohnnyDollar wrote...
You know I don't I ever watched the original Red Sonja movie.
European actors trying to speak English... but my point remains the same. Megan Fox just doesn't remind me of a fitness model like Bridgitte Nielsen. Can you really visualize Megan Fox attempting to swing a large sword? She would swing it and the wait of it would send her flying as well. Or it would be like trying to wield that largest sword in Fable 1 when your stats were still too low.
On a side not:
It is a little said that so many of the stars in Hollywood would not be famous if it wasn't for their physical appearance. Too much is emphasized on this IMO. I like beautiful women just as much as the next guy, but in a movie, I want great acting also. The person's acting talent unfortunately is often times over-shadowed by physical features. The T.V. media is the same way if not worse IMO.
I agree..... too much emphasis is put on physical appearance and not enough on acting ability.
#3666
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 02:46
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#3667
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 02:53
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#3668
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 03:06
JohnnyDollar wrote...
We need to define the word "murder" then. What is considered murder? It is decided upon by society and written into law and enforced by the justice system right?
The Asari Justicar Code is part of Asari society.
From the Codex:
"The asari solution to the most vicious and
destructive criminal element is the Justicar Order."
"The Oaths
pledge protection of the innocent, the punishment of the guilty, and
defense of common law and norms of asari society."
To call an Asari Justicar a murderer would be the same as calling an Asari law officer who killed a criminal a murderer IMO.
It's murder by anyone else's standards. And Illium's, since it isn't exactly the heart of Asari space.
#3669
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 03:09
Kudara wrote...
Also, I'd like to point out that Detective Anaya knew exactly what Samara's reaction would be indicating that she had a very good idea of exactly what the Code would demand. Did you hear her complaining about how terrible the Code was? No, instead she simply wanted Samara gone before that happened.
No, but what if she did complain about the code? Does Samara ask everyone she kills if they're cool with her killing them based off of the Justicar code? Because if she doesn't she's a murderer.
#3670
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 03:29
#3671
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 04:11
Terraneaux wrote...
It's murder by anyone else's standards. And Illium's, since it isn't exactly the heart of Asari space.
Illium's not in asari space but it's an asari dominated planet. Asari acknowledge the authority of Justicars as part and parcel of their culture. Samara is concerned she may likely be forced to kill if necessary to escape confinement and makes it clear to everyone involved. A human police officer would likely say, "screw this, I'm not being paid enough to get myself killed over **** like this" and let Samara go. An asari police officer is bound by the same traditions as asari Justicars, if not by the Code itself. She will have no choice to try and stop Samara from escaping, even if it means getting killed over it. Different species, different outlooks. I feel it's an excellent example of culture clash and I thought it was well rendered.
So I don't think it makes Samara a murderer, according to asari standards. A killer, yes. But then, so is Shepard and most of his team (as well as most fighting members of the various species military). It's their job. Some are sanctioned by their governments (Alliance, Council), some by their species traditions (asari), some are simply born to it (krogan) or warped to it (Jack). Some do it because it is expedient (Mordin), some do it for profit (Zaeed).
Now, pushing an unarmed merc on bodygard duty through a bay window to fall a few hundred stories to a messy splatter IS murder (by anyone else's standards), and that's not something Samara approves of... But hey, you're a Spectre, right? A cool guy, like Saren, who can do as he pleases and takes crap from no one, eh? Quite a shiny example to give to your friend Garrus... but I digress. I can't be trolling my favorite forum, now can I?
Justicars are charged with protecting the innocent and punishing the unjust. Samara doesn't appear to object to such loose laws as Illium's, where you can sell just about anything as long as you provide a fine print disclaimer. To me, that suggests that Justicars are concerned with more fundamental issues, like preventing an innocent from dying. It so happens this is what Samara is concerned with. You can stand aside, help or hinder her (and face the unpleasant consequences). She does not threaten, she promises... as that eclipse merc discovered.
Anyway, it's late. Happy trolling, Terraneaux...
#3672
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 04:25
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Anyone else's standards? That is a little too general isn't it? It obviously is murder to your standards, but everyone has their own standards, and every society has it's own standards as well. Your assuming that everyone else and to a larger extend every society, has the same standards as your own. That would be an inaccurate assumption IMO.Terraneaux wrote...
JohnnyDollar wrote...
We need to define the word "murder" then. What is considered murder? It is decided upon by society and written into law and enforced by the justice system right?
The Asari Justicar Code is part of Asari society.
From the Codex:
"The asari solution to the most vicious and
destructive criminal element is the Justicar Order."
"The Oaths
pledge protection of the innocent, the punishment of the guilty, and
defense of common law and norms of asari society."
To call an Asari Justicar a murderer would be the same as calling an Asari law officer who killed a criminal a murderer IMO.
It's murder by anyone else's standards. And Illium's, since it isn't exactly the heart of Asari space.
An analogy would be this: People are killed in certain areas of the world and the perpetrator is considered justified in that country, but that same perpetrator is also considered to be a murderer in other countries.
Illium may not be in the heart of Asari space, but it is under Asari control AFAIK, and the Justicar is chasing a fugitive from justice that she has tracked down to an Asari controlled world. Illium society presumably shares the same societal standards as the rest of Asari society. Of course she eventually tracks her down to Omega, where there is no standard.
#3673
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 05:04
Picture the showdown that would occur is a Justicar decided that she had to track her target to the Citade and ran headlong into CSEC?
Or even worse, one that pursued her fugitive and succeeds in killing him and his cronies, also killing a trio of police officers that tried to stop her and arrest the fugitives...on Earth?
In the second case, that Justicar just painted a target on her head.
#3674
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 05:11
BlackMetal wrote...
I agree, Justicars can't be called criminals in any sense, they are the ultimante opposite to them.
Only in Asari space would that fly. In, say, human territory, a Justicar would be considered nothing more than an armed and extremely dangerous vigilante criminal for which lethal force is fully authorised.
As an aisde, I find the very idea of above-the-law enforcers so abhorrent that it's almost sickening. Nobody is above the law, and everyone answers to either someone else, or a system that serves the same purpose. No exceptions. Attempting to put oneself or an organization above the law immdiately marks one as an outright enemy of the state.
The only thing keeping a Justicar in line is their own sense of loyalty and a code of honor? Yeah. That's perfectly ironclad. Totally not open to abuse, and even if it were, it's not like anyone would abuse or turn their back on it. Never happen. Really. Honor is unbreakable, right?
Modifié par Lord Coake, 17 avril 2010 - 05:13 .
#3675
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 05:20





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