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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 05:32
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Lord Coake wrote...
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I agree, Justicars can't be called criminals in any sense, they are the ultimante opposite to them.
Only in Asari space would that fly. In, say, human territory, a Justicar would be considered nothing more than an armed and extremely dangerous vigilante criminal for which lethal force is fully authorised.
As an aisde, I find the very idea of above-the-law enforcers so abhorrent that it's almost sickening. Nobody is above the law, and everyone answers to either someone else, or a system that serves the same purpose. No exceptions. Attempting to put oneself or an organization above the law immdiately marks one as an outright enemy of the state.
The only thing keeping a Justicar in line is their own sense of loyalty and a code of honor? Yeah. That's perfectly ironclad. Totally not open to abuse, and even if it were, it's not like anyone would abuse or turn their back on it. Never happen. Really. Honor is unbreakable, right?
All true.
Samara is kinda like a Sexy blue alien batman that has a stricter code.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 05:33
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Very inviting isn't it? I like it.NICKjnp wrote...
I found this and thought you guys might appreciate it...
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 05:40
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Lord Coake wrote...
BlackMetal wrote...
I agree, Justicars can't be called criminals in any sense, they are the ultimante opposite to them.
Only in Asari space would that fly. In, say, human territory, a Justicar would be considered nothing more than an armed and extremely dangerous vigilante criminal for which lethal force is fully authorised.
As an aisde, I find the very idea of above-the-law enforcers so abhorrent that it's almost sickening. Nobody is above the law, and everyone answers to either someone else, or a system that serves the same purpose. No exceptions. Attempting to put oneself or an organization above the law immdiately marks one as an outright enemy of the state.
The only thing keeping a Justicar in line is their own sense of loyalty and a code of honor? Yeah. That's perfectly ironclad. Totally not open to abuse, and even if it were, it's not like anyone would abuse or turn their back on it. Never happen. Really. Honor is unbreakable, right?
Justicars put other Justicars in their place if they overstep their powers. Technically, a Justicar is only supposed to operate in Asari space. Technically, a Justicar's jurisdiction is only Asari space. Oaths were and are created to keep them in line. Oaths were and are created to keep the Asari in good standing with non-Asari.
Do you have similar issues with Spectres?
Justicars ultimately answer to the people who give them the privilege of power. We give cops the ability to seize people and to use lethal force when it's necessary as a social-contract. We trust them with that power. If they abuse it, they're as subject to the law as a non-cop.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 05:41
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BlackMetal wrote...
Lord Coake wrote...
BlackMetal wrote...
I agree, Justicars can't be called criminals in any sense, they are the ultimante opposite to them.
Only in Asari space would that fly. In, say, human territory, a Justicar would be considered nothing more than an armed and extremely dangerous vigilante criminal for which lethal force is fully authorised.
As an aisde, I find the very idea of above-the-law enforcers so abhorrent that it's almost sickening. Nobody is above the law, and everyone answers to either someone else, or a system that serves the same purpose. No exceptions. Attempting to put oneself or an organization above the law immdiately marks one as an outright enemy of the state.
The only thing keeping a Justicar in line is their own sense of loyalty and a code of honor? Yeah. That's perfectly ironclad. Totally not open to abuse, and even if it were, it's not like anyone would abuse or turn their back on it. Never happen. Really. Honor is unbreakable, right?
All true.
Samara is kinda like a Sexy blue alien batman that has a stricter code.
Batman doesn't kill. He tells himself that killing as a solution to crime puts him on the same level as the criminals he hunts. That's why people who call Garrus Omega's "Batman" are incorrect.
Samara is like Judge Dredd, as I stated in the Jack thread.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 05:54
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 05:58
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:07
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yorkj86 wrote...
Do you have similar issues with Spectres?
None at all. Spectres answer to the Council, who will rein them on or flat out drop the hammer if they get too far out of line. Admittedly, this runs into trouble when the council is a pack of weak spined, ignorant, politcking bastards, but that final civilian authority is still there.
Police agencies answer to the same sort of command structure. So does the military.
Justicars answer only to themselves and their own organization. No other authority holds sway over them, and that is going way to far. They have no oversight, no apparent chain of command, and are completely above the laws that everyone else has to follow.
That **** does not fly. It's partly why I'd love to see a Justicar, in full grip of righteous fury and devotion to her cause and code, go head to head with CSEC, because juvinile as it may be, I like seeing the self-righteous get slapped down the system of real Authoruty that every other plebian has to abide by.
Justicars are just as fallible, just as mortal and by no means better than everyone else. Get off the dammed high horse and back down here in the dirt with everyone else.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:10
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How come there is never any male shep pictures with Samara?... some of us who like her are guys you know.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:11
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Upload em dude.NICKjnp wrote...
How come there is never any male shep pictures with Samara?... some of us who like her are guys you know.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:13
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I have no artistic talent whatsoever... if I uploaded them they would be stick figures.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:14
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NICKjnp wrote...
How come there is never any male shep pictures with Samara?... some of us who like her are guys you know.
I can find some in the next 15 min.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:15
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Lord Coake wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
Do you have similar issues with Spectres?
None at all. Spectres answer to the Council, who will rein them on or flat out drop the hammer if they get too far out of line. Admittedly, this runs into trouble when the council is a pack of weak spined, ignorant, politcking bastards, but that final civilian authority is still there.
Police agencies answer to the same sort of command structure. So does the military.
Justicars answer only to themselves and their own organization. No other authority holds sway over them, and that is going way to far. They have no oversight, no apparent chain of command, and are completely above the laws that everyone else has to follow.
That **** does not fly. It's partly why I'd love to see a Justicar, in full grip of righteous fury and devotion to her cause and code, go head to head with CSEC, because juvinile as it may be, I like seeing the self-righteous get slapped down the system of real Authoruty that every other plebian has to abide by.
Justicars are just as fallible, just as mortal and by no means better than everyone else. Get off the dammed high horse and back down here in the dirt with everyone else.
Incorrect. They do answer to the Asari peope as a whole. As I mentioned, Oaths have been and still are created to keep the Justicars in line. Some are also created to prevent Justicars from overstepping their power and organizing coups if Asari norms and political decisions do not coincide with the tenets of the Code. Lastly, Oaths have also been created because the Asari, being diplomats, don't want their ultimate method of dealing with criminals in non-Asari space. That would have the potential to cause political catastrophes.
You seem to think that Justicars are the only means the Asari have of dealing with the criminal element. They are not. There are rank and file cops, as well. The Justicars are the final response to a problem that has resisted solution through all other means.
If you think the Justicars and the Code are antiquated, that's fine. Some Asari seem to share your sentiment. Samara talks about the Justicars and the Code as if they are a remnant from times long past. They've been kept around, however, because they get things done, as do the Spectres, when even C-Sec is in over its head.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:15
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Sand King wrote...
NICKjnp wrote...
How come there is never any male shep pictures with Samara?... some of us who like her are guys you know.
I can find some in the next 15 min.
That would be great
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:15
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Sand King wrote...
http://hornhell.devi...rrior-160976878
okay this just melted me...imagine getting the "garrus head bump" from Samara in her pre-romance...wow. ultimate sign of longing, a deeply intimate gesture that would have been. the chapter could end right there. instead it feels like we just flipped over the corner of the page to come back to it...
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:18
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yorkj86 wrote...
Lord Coake wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
Do you have similar issues with Spectres?
None at all. Spectres answer to the Council, who will rein them on or flat out drop the hammer if they get too far out of line. Admittedly, this runs into trouble when the council is a pack of weak spined, ignorant, politcking bastards, but that final civilian authority is still there.
Police agencies answer to the same sort of command structure. So does the military.
Justicars answer only to themselves and their own organization. No other authority holds sway over them, and that is going way to far. They have no oversight, no apparent chain of command, and are completely above the laws that everyone else has to follow.
That **** does not fly. It's partly why I'd love to see a Justicar, in full grip of righteous fury and devotion to her cause and code, go head to head with CSEC, because juvinile as it may be, I like seeing the self-righteous get slapped down the system of real Authoruty that every other plebian has to abide by.
Justicars are just as fallible, just as mortal and by no means better than everyone else. Get off the dammed high horse and back down here in the dirt with everyone else.
Incorrect. They do answer to the Asari peope as a whole. As I mentioned, Oaths have been and still are created to keep the Justicars in line. Some are also created to prevent Justicars from overstepping their power and organizing coups if Asari norms and political decisions do not coincide with the tenets of the Code. Lastly, Oaths have also been created because the Asari, being diplomats, don't want their ultimate method of dealing with criminals in non-Asari space. That would have the potential to cause political catastrophes.
You seem to think that Justicars are the only means the Asari have of dealing with the criminal element. They are not. There are rank and file cops, as well. The Justicars are the final response to a problem that has resisted solution through all other means.
If you think the Justicars and the Code are antiquated, that's fine. Some Asari seem to share your sentiment. Samara talks about the Justicars and the Code as if they are a remnant from times long past. They've been kept around, however, because they get things done, as do the Spectres, when even C-Sec is in over its head.
In ME3 I would like to see an Asari spectre as a squadmate.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:25
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NICKjnp wrote...
Sand King wrote...
NICKjnp wrote...
How come there is never any male shep pictures with Samara?... some of us who like her are guys you know.
I can find some in the next 15 min.
That would be great
Good news: I found some. Bad news: Highly inappropriate
But I could get some of mine up in a day or two.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:25
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Going to bed. Be back later.
#3696
Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:33
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Sand King wrote...
NICKjnp wrote...
Sand King wrote...
NICKjnp wrote...
How come there is never any male shep pictures with Samara?... some of us who like her are guys you know.
I can find some in the next 15 min.
That would be great
Good news: I found some. Bad news: Highly inappropriate
But I could get some of mine up in a day or two.
Ok... but no inapropriate ones. We don't want this to turn into a thread like the Tali one.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 06:43
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NICKjnp wrote...
Sand King wrote...
NICKjnp wrote...
Sand King wrote...
NICKjnp wrote...
How come there is never any male shep pictures with Samara?... some of us who like her are guys you know.
I can find some in the next 15 min.
That would be great
Good news: I found some. Bad news: Highly inappropriate
But I could get some of mine up in a day or two.
Ok... but no inapropriate ones. We don't want this to turn into a thread like the Tali one.
I don't do "inappropriate" art (usually
) so no problems there.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 07:02
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yorkj86 wrote...
Incorrect. They do answer to the Asari peope as a whole. As I mentioned, Oaths have been and still are created to keep the Justicars in line. Some are also created to prevent Justicars from overstepping their power and organizing coups if Asari norms and political decisions do not coincide with the tenets of the Code. Lastly, Oaths have also been created because the Asari, being diplomats, don't want their ultimate method of dealing with criminals in non-Asari space. That would have the potential to cause political catastrophes.
And who decides what the 'Asari people as a whole' want? Samara seemed pretty sure that they didn't want her to be held by cops, and in fact were cool with her killing her way out. Since when does she have the authority to make that decision? Oh yeah, this 'code' which apparently also involves killing cops. Samara follows her code, which is entirely divorced from morality in motivation (though it sometimes crosses and sometimes opposes it in practice). This basically makes her a pretty terrible person. I mean, she KNOWS it's bad that she kills people, as evidenced by her relief when she didn't have to kill the asari cops, but she would have gone ahead and done it anyway. I don't know which is worse - someone who doesn't know any better than to not have respect for human life, or someone who does know better and goes ahead and kills people anyway.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 09:42
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yorkj86 wrote...
Lord Coake wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
Do you have similar issues with Spectres?
None at all. Spectres answer to the Council, who will rein them on or flat out drop the hammer if they get too far out of line. Admittedly, this runs into trouble when the council is a pack of weak spined, ignorant, politcking bastards, but that final civilian authority is still there.
Police agencies answer to the same sort of command structure. So does the military.
Justicars answer only to themselves and their own organization. No other authority holds sway over them, and that is going way to far. They have no oversight, no apparent chain of command, and are completely above the laws that everyone else has to follow.
That **** does not fly. It's partly why I'd love to see a Justicar, in full grip of righteous fury and devotion to her cause and code, go head to head with CSEC, because juvinile as it may be, I like seeing the self-righteous get slapped down the system of real Authoruty that every other plebian has to abide by.
Justicars are just as fallible, just as mortal and by no means better than everyone else. Get off the dammed high horse and back down here in the dirt with everyone else.
Incorrect. They do answer to the Asari peope as a whole. As I mentioned, Oaths have been and still are created to keep the Justicars in line. Some are also created to prevent Justicars from overstepping their power and organizing coups if Asari norms and political decisions do not coincide with the tenets of the Code. Lastly, Oaths have also been created because the Asari, being diplomats, don't want their ultimate method of dealing with criminals in non-Asari space. That would have the potential to cause political catastrophes.
You seem to think that Justicars are the only means the Asari have of dealing with the criminal element. They are not. There are rank and file cops, as well. The Justicars are the final response to a problem that has resisted solution through all other means.
If you think the Justicars and the Code are antiquated, that's fine. Some Asari seem to share your sentiment. Samara talks about the Justicars and the Code as if they are a remnant from times long past. They've been kept around, however, because they get things done, as do the Spectres, when even C-Sec is in over its head.
Yea, that thought does come to mind. Samara acknowledges that Justicars are very ancient and very few of them exist. yet they still do exist and asari society cooperates with them, which means they still serve a usefull purpose.
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Posté 17 avril 2010 - 09:44
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yorkj86 wrote...
Sand King wrote...
http://hornhell.devi...rrior-160976878
Beautiful...just...I have no words.
I agree, very beautiful image.
