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This is an interesting take on the Collector Base decision. Got the link from another member.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7007


I thought the author brought up some legitimate points and concerns about it and the plot as a whole, some I agree with, but it didn't ruin the game for me. Props to him for not trying to go all AVGN/Yatzhee on it for a cheap laugh. Though I don't necessarily get his reasoning that keeping the Collector base should be used to fish out dogtags for grieving families, those have probably been melted down into paste by the Collectors and even then... tens of thousands of people were supposedly kidnapped, that's a loooot of searching. Plus Samara would totally disapprove if I kept it and we can't have that!

:P

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

This is an interesting take on the Collector Base decision. Got the link from another member.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7007


I think that the Human Reaper wasn't really trying to kill you.  If you watch it's actions closely it is trying to play peek-a-boo.

Joking asside... Any way I play the game I wasn't about to let Cerberus have the base (not even my hardcore renegade who killed Samara and killed the Geth heretics would do that).  I don't understand why they didn't give us a neutral action so we could give the base to the Council.  Anderson basically worships the ground you walk on so all you would have to do was show it to him... then he could force the Council to recognize it.  I thought the datapad that Joker gives you was a poor plot device so you could have something to show the Council so they say that the Reapers are indeed a real threat.

All said and done ME2 is tied for first place as my favorite game of all time (alongside KOTOR and ME1).

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and I'm sure EDI scanned and hacked the base to bits for every possible info anyway, maybe to the point where we can even replicate some of the collector tech. lol that would really suck for the renegades.

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The collector base argument is intriguing in the sense that it has created quite the debate. The logical/calculating choice seems to be to keep it, because of the vast tactical advantages we can potentially gain from it. While destroying it is more of the emotional/justice driven choice. The whole point of the suicide mission is to take the fight to the Collectors. You never go into enemy territory thinking, "hey we'll beat 'em all up and keep their house...". You go in thinking "we're gonna tear everything up because they've done irreparable damage to us...". So if you are a person who is more revenge driven, then there is your choice. While if you are the improvising tactician you have the other choice.

I will say though that the reasoning alignment for the choice wasn't really the best presented. It makes it out that by keeping the base you're disrespecting everyone who died in there, which is not really the case. On the flip side, by destroying it you're being irrational and sacrificing a tactical advantage for the sake of closure, when thats not necessarily the case either.

Surely if you follow the Justicar Code :D you will want to destroy that base, as a peaceful resolution is long past. See how I tied it back to Samara? ;)

Bravo, we must keep Samara in mind of course.;)

Yeah I tend to think that we are not offered enough choices on this and several other decisions.  I also genuinely feel that some of the Paragon choices that are made concerning the various decisions are not the right ones.  I also try not to metagame and compromise my beliefs and change my decisions later.  I did however do that with Shiala.  People have made the argument that everything involving Reaper technology involves indoctrination.  Not necessarily IMO.  That was a Collector Base not a Reaper.  Yes there is a baby Reaper, but frankly it could be totally obliterated if it is indeed a threat.

I have said before that it does not seem like Bioware will be rewarding the Paragade with some of these decisions.  I also feel like the game should roll the dice with some of the ramifications from these grey area decisions.  

The full paragon has it too easy IMO.

At the very least we should be able to go to Samara for council on these choices and exploit her great wisdom.  See I can tie her into it to.:D 

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DirtyVagrant wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

This is an interesting take on the Collector Base decision. Got the link from another member.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7007


I thought the author brought up some legitimate points and concerns about it and the plot as a whole, some I agree with, but it didn't ruin the game for me. Props to him for not trying to go all AVGN/Yatzhee on it for a cheap laugh. Though I don't necessarily get his reasoning that keeping the Collector base should be used to fish out dogtags for grieving families, those have probably been melted down into paste by the Collectors and even then... tens of thousands of people were supposedly kidnapped, that's a loooot of searching. Plus Samara would totally disapprove if I kept it and we can't have that!

:P

The dogtags are nice, but I am thinking of technology.  People will say that if we do use the technology then we will be following the Repears path and thus making us more vulnerable.  Well we have been following that path since the relays were discovered.  Changing now with such little time left would do nothing for us.  Part of the Normandy2 is Reaper technology.

I am not sure how Samara would feel about this.:P

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

This is an interesting take on the Collector Base decision. Got the link from another member.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7007


I think that the Human Reaper wasn't really trying to kill you.  If you watch it's actions closely it is trying to play peek-a-boo.

Joking asside... Any way I play the game I wasn't about to let Cerberus have the base (not even my hardcore renegade who killed Samara and killed the Geth heretics would do that).  I don't understand why they didn't give us a neutral action so we could give the base to the Council.  Anderson basically worships the ground you walk on so all you would have to do was show it to him... then he could force the Council to recognize it.  I thought the datapad that Joker gives you was a poor plot device so you could have something to show the Council so they say that the Reapers are indeed a real threat.

All said and done ME2 is tied for first place as my favorite game of all time (alongside KOTOR and ME1).

Yeah it's a great game and I agree that there should have been a neutral choice.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

This is an interesting take on the Collector Base decision. Got the link from another member.
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7007


I thought the author brought up some legitimate points and concerns about it and the plot as a whole, some I agree with, but it didn't ruin the game for me. Props to him for not trying to go all AVGN/Yatzhee on it for a cheap laugh. Though I don't necessarily get his reasoning that keeping the Collector base should be used to fish out dogtags for grieving families, those have probably been melted down into paste by the Collectors and even then... tens of thousands of people were supposedly kidnapped, that's a loooot of searching. Plus Samara would totally disapprove if I kept it and we can't have that!

:P

The dogtags are nice, but I am thinking of technology.  People will say that if we do use the technology then we will be following the Repears path and thus making us more vulnerable.  Well we have been following that path since the relays were discovered.  Changing now with such little time left would do nothing for us.  Part of the Normandy2 is Reaper technology.

I am not sure how Samara would feel about this.:P


If you take her to the final fight then she tells you.  "If you adopt your enemies methods than you haven't really defeated them."

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

At the very least we should be able to go to Samara for council on these choices and exploit her great wisdom.  See I can tie her into it to.:D 


My shepard killed the council, but if they asked me to make another one I would put Samara and Mordin in charge (no turian they've lost the right lol). That would be the perfect combination of practical and theoretical abilities. :D

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7Makaveli wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

At the very least we should be able to go to Samara for council on these choices and exploit her great wisdom.  See I can tie her into it to.:D 


My shepard killed the council, but if they asked me to make another one I would put Samara and Mordin in charge (no turian they've lost the right lol). That would be the perfect combination of practical and theoretical abilities. :D

Posted Image... You humans are all racist!

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NICKjnp wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

At the very least we should be able to go to Samara for council on these choices and exploit her great wisdom.  See I can tie her into it to.:D 


My shepard killed the council, but if they asked me to make another one I would put Samara and Mordin in charge (no turian they've lost the right lol). That would be the perfect combination of practical and theoretical abilities. :D

Posted Image... You humans are all racist!


Hey now, I didn't put no human in charge :D

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7Makaveli wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

At the very least we should be able to go to Samara for council on these choices and exploit her great wisdom.  See I can tie her into it to.:D 


My shepard killed the council, but if they asked me to make another one I would put Samara and Mordin in charge (no turian they've lost the right lol). That would be the perfect combination of practical and theoretical abilities. :D

Posted Image... You humans are all racist!


Hey now, I didn't put no human in charge :D


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If you take her to the final fight then she tells you.  "If you adopt your enemies methods than you haven't really defeated them."

Yeah, but we don't have time to develop our own IMO.

Sorry Samara, but I must respectfully diagree with you.

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Hmm, does Samara's theme play for the entirety of Zaeed's loyalty mission or only the part when he blows the gate open? I can't remember.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...
If you take her to the final fight then she tells you.  "If you adopt your enemies methods than you haven't really defeated them."

Yeah, but we don't have time to develop our own IMO.

Sorry Samara, but I must respectfully diagree with you.


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DirtyVagrant wrote...

Hmm, does Samara's theme play for the entirety of Zaeed's loyalty mission or only the part when he blows the gate open? I can't remember.


I think the entire time.... the mission is really short though... so it doesn't really matter.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...
If you take her to the final fight then she tells you.  "If you adopt your enemies methods than you haven't really defeated them."

Yeah, but we don't have time to develop our own IMO.

Sorry Samara, but I must respectfully diagree with you.


Why would you need a reaper when you have Waves of Russians?

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NICKjnp wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

At the very least we should be able to go to Samara for council on these choices and exploit her great wisdom.  See I can tie her into it to.:D 


My shepard killed the council, but if they asked me to make another one I would put Samara and Mordin in charge (no turian they've lost the right lol). That would be the perfect combination of practical and theoretical abilities. :D

Posted Image... You humans are all racist!


Hey now, I didn't put no human in charge :D


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I would. But I killed him. You turians are all racist!

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Yeah, but we don't have time to develop our own IMO.

Sorry Samara, but I must respectfully diagree with you.


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NICKjnp wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Hmm, does Samara's theme play for the entirety of Zaeed's loyalty mission or only the part when he blows the gate open? I can't remember.


I think the entire time.... the mission is really short though... so it doesn't really matter.

I am lost here.  Would you explain this please.

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NICKjnp wrote...
If you take her to the final fight then she tells you.  "If you adopt your enemies methods than you haven't really defeated them."

Yeah, but we don't have time to develop our own IMO.

Sorry Samara, but I must respectfully diagree with you.

Why would you need a reaper when you have Waves of Russians?

Ah come on now.  You may offend one our fellow comrades.:innocent::police:

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7Makaveli wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Yeah, but we don't have time to develop our own IMO.

Sorry Samara, but I must respectfully diagree with you.


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Good one 7Mak

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Actually I destroyed the base in all but one playthrough.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Hmm, does Samara's theme play for the entirety of Zaeed's loyalty mission or only the part when he blows the gate open? I can't remember.


I think the entire time.... the mission is really short though... so it doesn't really matter.

I am lost here.  Would you explain this please.


During a character's recruitment and loyalty missions, their theme from the soundtrack plays throughout the mission, the only exception to this is Zaeed (even Kasumi has her own song!) who seems to have Samara's theme play in the background. When he busts open the valve to blow open the gate, you can hear a very distinct part of Samara's theme play and I was wondering if her theme continued throughout since it's been a while since I have played.

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Did anyone get tickled over all of that talk coming from those Asari gals on Illium? Mostly in the area where Shiala is.



You had those two discussing questionable products being sold and then one is insulted about her Batarian father. You have those two that start talking after help Shiala. What else am I missing. I kind of liked listening to those.




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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Did anyone get tickled over all of that talk coming from those Asari gals on Illium? Mostly in the area where Shiala is.

You had those two discussing questionable products being sold and then one is insulted about her Batarian father. You have those two that start talking after help Shiala. What else am I missing. I kind of liked listening to those.

There is another asari who is on the phone near them. She talks about cheating Thax, or hiding from Thax if you send him the message from Samara's recruitment mission.