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NICKjnp wrote...

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Consider me jaded after seeing what some of the extreme Talimancers have discussed over at their thread.


The extreme Talimancers ruined the character for me...


I'm so sorry. It's why I don't venture over there anymore, I don't want the same happening to me. You know a fanbase is a little crazy when the character's own fans splinter off and form their own fan group for sane and intelligent discussion.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

It does I suppose, bring the multi-species in closer and in more frequent contact of one another.  Is this what you are saying?


Yes.  It means the Asari will always have a need for other species, and it means the Asari have an incentive to bring as many cultures into contact as possible (because they like variety in their joining partners so much).

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Terraneaux wrote...

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It does I suppose, bring the multi-species in closer and in more frequent contact of one another.  Is this what you are saying?


Yes.  It means the Asari will always have a need for other species, and it means the Asari have an incentive to bring as many cultures into contact as possible (because they like variety in their joining partners so much).

Although this would seem to centralize it somwhat, there would still
be the benefit of multi-species instead of one.  Exchanging unique ideas
and technology to possibly give them an edge against the Reapers in the
future harvest.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Although this would seem to centralize it somwhat, there would still
be the benefit of multi-species instead of one.  Exchanging unique ideas
and technology to possibly give them an edge against the Reapers in the
future harvest.


That's definitely what the stereotypical Paragon would say.  I'm not really disagreeing.

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Terraneaux wrote...

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Although this would seem to centralize it somwhat, there would still
be the benefit of multi-species instead of one.  Exchanging unique ideas
and technology to possibly give them an edge against the Reapers in the
future harvest.

That's definitely what the stereotypical Paragon would say.  I'm not really disagreeing.

Put paragon and renegade to the side for a moment.  How else would the Protheans or another ancient space faring species see a benefit from their plan other than this?  According to your theory of course.

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Put paragon and renegade to the side for a moment.  How else would the Protheans or another ancient space faring species see a benefit from their plan other than this?  According to your theory of course.


Yeah, that's pretty much the idea I was going for.  I thought it was odd that the Protheans didn't coexist with any other notable spacefaring species.  

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Terraneaux wrote...

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Put paragon and renegade to the side for a moment.  How else would the Protheans or another ancient space faring species see a benefit from their plan other than this?  According to your theory of course.


Yeah, that's pretty much the idea I was going for.  I thought it was odd that the Protheans didn't coexist with any other notable spacefaring species.  

Consider how old and vast the galaxy is and to a larger extent the entire universe.  I don't think one can fathom this in his/her own mind realistically do you?  Through all of these indefinite millenia there has been constant change with variables to account for just about any possible scenario one could think of.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

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The Asari appear to have eyelashes, breasts, nipples and navels, so if they're not viviparous mammals, they're viviparous mammal analogues, and most likely have a birth-canal for delivering their young.

Alright york, now answer this one.:P

How does the egg get fertilized?


It doesn't; they don't intake genetic material from other races, just some weird sort of 'psychic imprint.'

The asari are basically set up to encourage a multi-species galactic community.  

Yeah weird psychic imprint, one of the unexplained sci-fi aspects of the game that the writers could not quite give us an explanation for I suppose.  No big deal though.

It is interesting what you said about the Asari and the galactic community.  You say set up to encourage multi-species, but how so?  By the time the Asari and all of the varius multi-species have developed far enough technologically for space travel to interact with one another, they have been through indefinite milennia of evolution presumably.  In other words the Asari originated from one place (planet) prior to any contact with other species.  How would their set up originally encourage this? 

Or are you saying the encouragment of the multi-species galactic community just happens to be a by-product of it after the fact?


From the writers perspetive I suspect they were written that way on purpose, to encourage multi-species cooperation.

From the stance of in the game, what he's saying is two species meet, there may be conflict because another race might mean contesting resources like planets, spece etc.  There's alot of reasons to start a fight.

Asari meet another race, they start evaluating them as potential genetic material first and resource conflict second.  That's a huge difference.  If an asari ship had come upon the humans instead of the turians there probably woudn't have been any conflict.  Well other than we can't get this ship to quit following us around...

I mean really imagine if our first contact had been with sexy blue bombshells instead of the turians.  :D

Edit: sorry not enough coffee, I see the conversation has already covered this, or at least most of it.

Modifié par Kudara, 20 avril 2010 - 09:06 .


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Terraneaux wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Put paragon and renegade to the side for a moment.  How else would the Protheans or another ancient space faring species see a benefit from their plan other than this?  According to your theory of course.


Yeah, that's pretty much the idea I was going for.  I thought it was odd that the Protheans didn't coexist with any other notable spacefaring species.  


I've wondered if they came upon them as they were and then gave them a head start on everyone else to make sure they were the first.  But you run into the issue of how did these researchers escape the Reapers?

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I won't give BIoware too much credit with their creativity with the Asari.

If we have to speculate about the basics of Asari genetics, because Bioware retconned the way things work between ME1 and ME2, we have to speculate about pretty much everything, which sucks as fans because we don't know which way is which.  We have to speculate about speculation.

I don't think the Asari and the humans are in any way related, apart from their features.  Convergent evolution, and all of that.  Bioware seems to have established upright bipedalism as a standard body-orientation, and, generally, the most expedient path for a species towards tool-use and eventually space-travel.  Again, convergent evolution.

I don't see how the Asari are dependent upon other species for reproduction, as Harbinger states.  They survived their evolutionary history with their own pool of genetic information.  They survived their evolutionary history with the Ardat-Yakshi in the mix (also a retcon, by the way).  See below.

Most arguments about Asari genetics and reproduction will fall apart because we haven't been provided with sufficient canonical information, and because the most technologically advanced species in the galaxy somehow hasn't yet figured out how it makes babies.  Curious, yeah?

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Kudara wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

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Put paragon and renegade to the side for a moment.  How else would the Protheans or another ancient space faring species see a benefit from their plan other than this?  According to your theory of course.

Yeah, that's pretty much the idea I was going for.  I thought it was odd that the Protheans didn't coexist with any other notable spacefaring species.  

I've wondered if they came upon them as they were and then gave them a head start on everyone else to make sure they were the first.  But you run into the issue of how did these researchers escape the Reapers?

I think the harvest takes quite a few years.  I think I read an estimate somewhere, but can't remember.  Needless to say it takes quite a while to cull the galaxy of advanced organic life.  Remember some of the Prothean scientists survived the last harvest through cryongenics.  I also read somewhere (maybe on the Wiki) that they made it to the Citadel.  What exactly they did there I don't know.  Unfortunately for them though, there numbers were not sufficient enough to repopulate.

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yorkj86 wrote...
I won't give BIoware too much credit with their creativity with the Asari.

I don't give them much either.  It is intersting to speculate sometimes though.:P

yorkj86 wrote...
If we have to speculate about the basics of Asari genetics, because Bioware retconned the way things work between ME1 and ME2, we have to speculate about pretty much everything, which sucks as fans because we don't know which way is which.  We have to speculate about speculation.

Unfortuantely we have to do this quite a bit with ME overall.  Speculate about speculation and speculate about DLC and the 3rd and final installment to the trilogy.:o

yorkj86 wrote...
I don't think the Asari and the humans are in any way related, apart from their features.  Convergent evolution, and all of that.  Bioware seems to have established upright bipedalism as a standard body-orientation, and, generally, the most expedient path for a species towards tool-use and eventually space-travel.  Again, convergent evolution.

I don't see how the Asari are dependent upon other species for reproduction, as Harbinger states.  They survived their evolutionary history with their own pool of genetic information.  They survived their evolutionary history with the Ardat-Yakshi in the mix (also a retcon, by the way).  See below.

Most arguments about Asari genetics and reproduction will fall apart because we haven't been provided with sufficient canonical information, and because the most technologically advanced species in the galaxy somehow hasn't yet figured out how it makes babies.  Curious, yeah?

Ah yes babies, one little detail that did not quite get nailed down by the writers.  Not a big a deal, but when trying to hypothesize and speculate about things, it certainly makes it more difficult.

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Removed due to lack of common sense.

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LiquidGrape wrote...
I am somewhat hesitant to post another drawing so soon, but I promise I'll scurry off and do something more productive with my time after this one.
Now, I know it's completely OOC; but it's meant to be a pin-up. So I hope that's fine with you.
*snip*


It looks kinda like she is in the middle of dancing to a jig. 

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WTF?:o

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

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WTF?:o


It's Jacob's "DAT ASS" face.

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yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@DV
WTF?:o


It's Jacob's "DAT ASS" face.

Ah, I see, well I have been kinda out of the loop on that stuff.:P

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ATTENTION SAMARTANS!
http://social.biowar...5/index/2352454

BLASPHEMY!

:P

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

ATTENTION SAMARTANS!
http://social.biowar...5/index/2352454

BLASPHEMY!


I already BOOed that thread.  :P

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

ATTENTION SAMARTANS!
http://social.biowar...5/index/2352454

BLASPHEMY!

:P


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yorkj86 wrote...
We are bad people who sexualize her...


Oh. Is it that bad? If so, I'll remove it immediately.
It was meant as an homage (and I've been admiring mid-20th century advertisements for a couple of weeks now, and wanted to draw something in a similar vein) but if it's not more than a dirty doodle, that's not proper at all.

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LiquidGrape wrote...

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We are bad people who sexualize her...


Oh. Is it that bad? If so, I'll remove it immediately.
It was meant as an homage (and I've been admiring mid-20th century advertisements for a couple of weeks now, and wanted to draw something in a similar vein) but if it's not more than a dirty doodle, that's not proper at all.


It doesn't matter.  Keep it up.  I was just saying that, in the vein of the game, it's wrong to sexualize a character who does not want to be sexualized, and that it may be impossible to respect Samara if one sexualizes her.

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There is only one true Goddes in ME2.

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NOT!