Uhmm, I'm pretty sure mind melding gives you the perception of an orgasm without the necessery direct stimulation. Besides that becomes an afterthought to the more potentially pleasurable experiences you can have. It is supposed to be life changing...
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Posté 21 avril 2010 - 01:24
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How are you pretty sure? Perception is not physical in the sense of copulation. Human males and females are made for each other.7Makaveli wrote...
Uhmm, I'm pretty sure mind melding gives you the perception of an orgasm without the necessery direct stimulation. Besides that becomes an afterthought to the more potentially pleasurable experiences you can have. It is supposed to be life changing...
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Correct, and you are assuming they can?yorkj86 wrote...
Well, uh. I don't know how to respond without sounding dirty about it, so I'll just be blunt. You're assuming that humans can't ejaculate/orgasm when stimulated sufficiently by an Asari.JohnnyDollar wrote...
Your reading me incorrectly I think. I am speaking about the majority of humanity, not every human.yorkj86 wrote...
I think that's an oversimplification, and your statements discount the emotional connection present with the mind-joining between an Asari and her partner. It sounds like you're saying that a man or woman whose spouse is sterile cannot truly love him/her...? It sounds like you're saying that anyone who takes an Asari as his/her partner is a deviant...? Or am I reading you incorrectly?JohnnyDollar wrote...
Yeah but you forget the physical aspect that the human females give. IMO human males will eventually overwhelmingly stay with the human females once they realize there is no copulation with the Asari.
How do humans reproduce? Do human males have a sex drive? How did we get here?
We still have primitive traits that drive us. Some aspects of human instincts have changed very little over 1000's of years.
My guess is that the Asari mind meld has to be more pleasurable than a physical ejacualtion to drive the human males away from the human females in mass.
Edit: As far as copulation goes, that is superior IMO.
I'm assuming that the experience of the mind-joining is the equivalent of an orgasm to an Asari, or is the means by which an Asari achieves an orgasm. Liara tells us that, to the Asari, the mind-joining is an incredibly profound act. Their sexuality and reproduction both revolve around the mind.
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
How are you pretty sure? Perception is not physical in the sense of copulation. Human males and females are made for each other.7Makaveli wrote...
Uhmm, I'm pretty sure mind melding gives you the perception of an orgasm without the necessery direct stimulation. Besides that becomes an afterthought to the more potentially pleasurable experiences you can have. It is supposed to be life changing...
How Darwinian and impersonal. You're starting again to discount the non-sexual part of relationships.
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Posté 21 avril 2010 - 01:28
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Actually, what are we arguing about, again? My joke? It was a joke. That the Asari won't eventually wipe out the human race by breeding with us is obvious.
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I'm not sure of anything btw, this is all speculation lol. They way mind-melding is described is that it taps into every nerve, synaptic space, and fiber in your body. It causes these neurons to fire and simulates all kinds of perceptual experiences. And that is discounting the emotional and spiritual bonding involved.
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That is fair assumption, but that only accounts for half of the equation though. To human males, physical copulation may be more profound than mind melds. I am not saying that a man would not enjoy the experience with an Asari mind meld, but that the majority of human males will couple with human females because of physical copulation most likely being more profound to the males.yorkj86 wrote...
I'm assuming that the experience of the mind-joining is the equivalent of an orgasm to an Asari, or is the means by which an Asari achieves an orgasm. Liara tells us that, to the Asari, the mind-joining is an incredibly profound act. Their sexuality and reproduction both revolve around the mind.JohnnyDollar wrote...
Correct, and you are assuming they can?yorkj86 wrote...
Well, uh. I don't know how to respond without sounding dirty about it, so I'll just be blunt. You're assuming that humans can't ejaculate/orgasm when stimulated sufficiently by an Asari.JohnnyDollar wrote...
Your reading me incorrectly I think. I am speaking about the majority of humanity, not every human.yorkj86 wrote...
I think that's an oversimplification, and your statements discount the emotional connection present with the mind-joining between an Asari and her partner. It sounds like you're saying that a man or woman whose spouse is sterile cannot truly love him/her...? It sounds like you're saying that anyone who takes an Asari as his/her partner is a deviant...? Or am I reading you incorrectly?JohnnyDollar wrote...
Yeah but you forget the physical aspect that the human females give. IMO human males will eventually overwhelmingly stay with the human females once they realize there is no copulation with the Asari.
How do humans reproduce? Do human males have a sex drive? How did we get here?
We still have primitive traits that drive us. Some aspects of human instincts have changed very little over 1000's of years.
My guess is that the Asari mind meld has to be more pleasurable than a physical ejacualtion to drive the human males away from the human females in mass.
Edit: As far as copulation goes, that is superior IMO.
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Posté 21 avril 2010 - 01:31
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No I am not. I am looking at it from a global perspecitve of humanity.yorkj86 wrote...
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How are you pretty sure? Perception is not physical in the sense of copulation. Human males and females are made for each other.7Makaveli wrote...
Uhmm, I'm pretty sure mind melding gives you the perception of an orgasm without the necessery direct stimulation. Besides that becomes an afterthought to the more potentially pleasurable experiences you can have. It is supposed to be life changing...
How Darwinian and impersonal. You're starting again to discount the non-sexual part of relationships.
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Posté 21 avril 2010 - 01:33
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Wait, is this a classic progressive/conservative argument now? I've been involved in too many of those lol
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
That is fair assumption, but that only accounts for half of the equation though. To human males, physical copulation may be more profound than mind melds. I am not saying that a man would not enjoy the experience with an Asari mind meld, but that the majority of human males will couple with human females because of physical copulation most likely being more profound to the males.
That's fine. But these still sound like qualitative/evaluative statements. The implications are that an Asari/human pairing is tacitly less meaningful than a human/human pairing. Again, very Darwinian.
EDIT: Or less valuable than any Asari/non-Asari pairing.
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Well it's all speculation. I have proof of human evolution on my side though.yorkj86 wrote...
Actually, what are we arguing about, again? My joke? It was a joke. That the Asari won't eventually wipe out the human race by breeding with us is obvious.
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
That is fair assumption, but that only accounts for half of the equation though. To human males, physical copulation may be more profound than mind melds. I am not saying that a man would not enjoy the experience with an Asari mind meld, but that the majority of human males will couple with human females because of physical copulation most likely being more profound to the males.
I believe that's one of Freud's theory, developed during the Victorian Era when wives began to force their husbands to pull out before finishing in order to avoid pregnancy. Not being able to complete the act the way nature intended messes with the mind.
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Not less valuable to each individual in each case.yorkj86 wrote...
That's fine. But these still sound like qualitative/evaluative statements. The implications are that an Asari/human pairing is tacitly less meaningful than a human/human pairing.JohnnyDollar wrote...
That is fair assumption, but that only accounts for half of the equation though. To human males, physical copulation may be more profound than mind melds. I am not saying that a man would not enjoy the experience with an Asari mind meld, but that the majority of human males will couple with human females because of physical copulation most likely being more profound to the males.
EDIT: Or less valuable than any Asari/non-Asari pairing.
Isn't this an aspect of how species survive though? Realistically?
Maybe not to you or me for example. Someone could fall in love with an Asari and be just fine without copulating. It is not a slight against love for a fellow person on my part here.
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Posté 21 avril 2010 - 01:41
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alright this is it Johnny D, this is the evidence that ends it all!
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
Not less valuable to each individual in each case.yorkj86 wrote...
That's fine. But these still sound like qualitative/evaluative statements. The implications are that an Asari/human pairing is tacitly less meaningful than a human/human pairing.JohnnyDollar wrote...
That is fair assumption, but that only accounts for half of the equation though. To human males, physical copulation may be more profound than mind melds. I am not saying that a man would not enjoy the experience with an Asari mind meld, but that the majority of human males will couple with human females because of physical copulation most likely being more profound to the males.
EDIT: Or less valuable than any Asari/non-Asari pairing.
Isn't this an aspect of how species survive though? Realistically?
Maybe not to you or me for example. Someone could fall in love with an Asari and be just fine without copulating. It is not a slight against love for a fellow person on my part here.
We're still arguing over a joke, then. I actually can't find your central argument, what it is that you're debating.
I'd extrapolate how your arguments are used by other people for other purposes (there's a lot of irony, actually), but I don't want to start a theological firestorm.
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I think your taking me the wrong way york. I am not saying that a relationship with an Asari would not be as meaningful or more so to an individual male. I think human females would have the advantage globally though.
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And your right it is a joke and it is speculation. I still like to talk about it though don't you?
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I think your taking me the wrong way york. I am not saying that a relationship with an Asari would not be as meaningful or more so to an individual male. I think human females would have the advantage globally though.
Do you think a human who pairs with an Asari could be considered a deviant, by your line of reasoning?
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Please do.....I will listen...yorkj86 wrote...
I'd extrapolate how your arguments are used by other people for other purposes (there's a lot of irony, actually), but I don't want to start a theological firestorm.
Try to do it in a tactful way to not draw attention, because I am curious now. Theology was not what I was thinking.
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alright this is it Johnny D, this is the evidence that ends it all!
Agreed. Very nice timing on that one my friend. I'll take a blue chick any day.
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
And your right it is a joke and it is speculation. I still like to talk about it though don't you?
Yeah. It is fun to talk about, and it's better than letting the thread slip to page 2+. But there are a lot of particularly dangerous implications I'm picking up from your line of reasoning. This is the kind of stuff I did in college. Philosophy, Ethics and debate.
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Please do.....I will listen...yorkj86 wrote...
I'd extrapolate how your arguments are used by other people for other purposes (there's a lot of irony, actually), but I don't want to start a theological firestorm.
Try to do it in a tactful way to not draw attention, because I am curious now. Theology was not what I was thinking.
I'm not going to mention them in this thread.
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Elaborate more....yorkj86 wrote...
Do you think a human who pairs with an Asari could be considered a deviant, by your line of reasoning?JohnnyDollar wrote...
I think your taking me the wrong way york. I am not saying that a relationship with an Asari would not be as meaningful or more so to an individual male. I think human females would have the advantage globally though.
At first contact most likely yes. How would it not be?
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Lets discuss it then. I try to be open to anything.yorkj86 wrote...
Yeah. It is fun to talk about, and it's better than letting the thread slip to page 2+. But there are a lot of particularly dangerous implications I'm picking up from your line of reasoning. This is the kind of stuff I did in college. Philosophy, Ethics and debate.JohnnyDollar wrote...
And your right it is a joke and it is speculation. I still like to talk about it though don't you?
