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[gneissguy2003]

I'll go ahead and add my support for this intriguing and beguiling blue lady. I had my canon Shep denied by her, but not for lack of trying or interest. As I believe I said in another thread, even though I liked Liara in ME1, Samara is what I wish Liara could be... strong, intelligent, confident and self-assured, dedicated, with just the right amount of sexy mystery seeping out from under that harder exterior. Oh, and there's also something sultry about her voice. Here's hoping she returns for ME3 and that we get to know more about her. Cheers, fellow Samara fans!

[Kudara]

BurstAngel75 wrote...

. I also find her to be the tragic person in the whole group. All her daughters were so bad that she took it upon herself to stop them. I don't want to even comprehend her pain.
I still want that outfit!

Actually two of her daughters voluntarily went into a monastary just for them where they are monitored to make sure they don't hurt anyone.  Only Morinth ran and went on a killing spree.

[DirtyVagrant]

What do you guys think a meeting between Samara and Liara would be like?

[Kudara]

Tentura wrote...

BobbyTheI wrote...
I can't help but wonder what happened to her mate; that's part of the story I'd like to hear more about. 

That is a great point!  It would be really interesting to find out more about her.

I agree, and I can't believe I didn't really think much of that before.  Of couse that might also have alot to do with why she says she won't enter into a relationship again even though she's attracted to a pargonshep.

[Kudara]

Flamewielder wrote...

I think Samara chose the path of the Justicar not only to hunt Morinth down but also because following a Code allowed her to insulate herself from the emotional pain associated with the necessity of the hunt.

She obviously feels great sadness for having killed her favorite child. I do not think she could have found the resolve to do it if she hadn't had the Code to act as her moral compass. A Code of 5000 rules may seem complex to us, but to Samara it "simplifies" things... otherwise she'd likely go mad with grief.

I was touched by her admission of potential romantic interest "...your curiosity is most welcome..." and even more by her final scene where she almost gives in to her feelings before turning Shepard down. Letting down her Justicar reserve to allow herself love would have also released the flood of sadness and grief over the unfairness of her daughters fate. In the end, she denies Shepard in spite of her feelings. Nicely done!

Should she return in ME3 and be romanceable, I hope they'll pace it right... I don't see her "giving in" to Shepard's advances without a lot more bonding. She'll need time to mourn Morinth and make peace with herself before she allows herself to love again.

I think this is a wonderful characterization of her, it just feels right given all the pieces of dialog we get.

[Flamewielder]

Kudara wrote...
I think this is a wonderful characterization of her, it just feels right given all the pieces of dialog we get.

Thank you! But the credit is all the BW writing team. Many players have one look at her and see the "asari eye candy" and quickly discard her because she isn't spouting outrageously renegade commentary...

My Shepards are strongly paragon-biased, so I tend to seek out the good in characters. Samara's "loyalty missions" is the only one that ends in sorrow (unless you go and pick Morinth).

Jack experiences a catharsis on hers, a freedom from an obsessive rage at her former captors that allows her to try and rebuild trust in someone, which ends up in budding friendship/love with Shepard. Lot's of crying but it's a happy ending...

Samara's not granted that release, or rather, she cannot afford the luxury of it. Her Code is the brace that keeps her from giving in to despair. Her Code is what allowed her to meet Shepard and have friends again. The smile on her face when she thanks Shepard for his/her curiosity is genuine. Her Code has unexpectedly reminded her she is alive. I rather think she was pleasantly surprised by this.

Definitely the most mature/complex "romance" of ME2, IMO. 

[kelmar6821]

Flamewielder wrote...
Actually, I'm kinda hoping Liara's
mysterious "father" will turn out to be Matriarch Aethyta... it just
makes so much sense really: she's as foul-mouthed as her krogan father,
she's looked down upon by the other "wiser" asari Matriarchs... No
wonder Benezia wanted to keep Liara ignorant of her lineage...

And
having latent Krogan personality traits might explain Liara's newfound
ruthlessness. People keep mentioning similarities between Benezia and
Liara in ME2... what if this "renegade" Liara was just letting her
grand-father's heritage loose? And Aethyta DID have a pureblood
daughter as one point...

I also hope so. Liara's rogue traits coming from benezia didn't mesh well with me. Benezia became renegade because of Saren's/Sovereign's mind control. I really want to see Aethyta have a good role in ME3. Hell I want Aethyta as bartender on the normandy.

Flamewielder wrote...
Actually, she
explicitely states that the Code allows romantic involvement,
presumably as long as it doesn't interfere with the Justicar's duty.
Justicars only forswear family (children) and earthly possessions
(required to raise children). To which, in Samara's case, you can add
the fear of giving birth to another Ardat-Yakshi.

Asari
essentially do not require birth control in the conventional sense. No
DNA is exchanged, only mental imprints of both parents that may
influence the child's personality in later life, or not (see Aethyta).
So Samara could develop a life-long romantic bond with a compatible
(paragon) Shepard, she just cannot have a family.

So there's hope yet for both Shepard and Samara... That observation deck may yet see sweet lovin' under the stars! ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png

I wasn't suggesting romantic involvment violated the code. I was saying that she was intentionally devoted to the code to the exclusion of all else.
I thought Ardat-Yakshi only came from pureblood unions?
Also, If she swore off being a justicar then its possible for love a renagade without having to try to kill shep. Although, a relationship with a renagade would seem highly out of character even if she abandonded the code.

Modifié par kelmar6821, 09 mars 2010 - 05:03 .

[BobbyTheI]

Boy, oh, boy, have I found something interesting.  

So, over on the Jack thread, we're discussing this advertisement on the Citadel that somehow knows who you're romancing and mentions them in the copy.  It's for a biotic amp called Sophist, and at one point the ad reader says something about your LI to the effect of "...the next time you're out on the town with *INSERT THEIR NAME HERE*"

Well, we were all amused when you romance Jack and it says, "...the next time you're out on the town with CITIZEN ID FILE NOT FOUND..." and somebody said they heard the same thing with Miranda.  Well, I had heard "Miss Lawson" used on that ad in one of my games, and I was bored, so I went to the trouble of extracting the advertisement audio to see what I could find.

Here are the potential options:

"...the next time you're out on the town with Ser Krios..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with CITIZEN ID FILE NOT FOUND..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with Miss Zorah..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with Officer Vakarian..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with Mister Taylor..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with Miss Lawson..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with Justicar Samara..."

Makes me wonder if there wasn't something more planned for Samara at some point.  Or if this is just something that plays if you try to romance Samara and don't go after anybody else.  Either way, it took me by surprise.

EDIT: Okay, mystery somewhat solved.  Somebody on the Jack thread cleared me up on that ad: it doesn't psychically figure out who you're romancing, it just picks one of the eligible members of the opposite sex that you're walking around with and assumes the two of you are knocking boots.  Still, somewhat interesting that the game sees Samara as "eligible."

Modifié par BobbyTheI, 09 mars 2010 - 09:04 .

[enormousmoonboots]

BobbyTheI wrote...

Boy, oh, boy, have I found something interesting.  

So, over on the Jack thread, we're discussing this advertisement on the Citadel that somehow knows who you're romancing and mentions them in the copy.  It's for a biotic amp called Sophist, and at one point the ad reader says something about your LI to the effect of "...the next time you're out on the town with *INSERT THEIR NAME HERE*"

Well, we were all amused when you romance Jack and it says, "...the next time you're out on the town with CITIZEN ID FILE NOT FOUND..." and somebody said they heard the same thing with Miranda.  Well, I had heard "Miss Lawson" used on that ad in one of my games, and I was bored, so I went to the trouble of extracting the advertisement audio to see what I could find.

Here are the potential options:

"...the next time you're out on the town with Ser Krios..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with CITIZEN ID FILE NOT FOUND..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with Miss Zorah..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with Officer Vakarian..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with Mister Taylor..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with Miss Lawson..."
"...the next time you're out on the town with Justicar Samara..."

Makes me wonder if there wasn't something more planned for Samara at some point.  Or if this is just something that plays if you try to romance Samara and don't go after anybody else.  Either way, it took me by surprise.

EDIT: Okay, mystery somewhat solved.  Somebody on the Jack thread cleared me up on that ad: it doesn't psychically figure out who you're romancing, it just picks one of the eligible members of the opposite sex that you're walking around with and assumes the two of you are knocking boots.  Still, somewhat interesting that the game sees Samara as "eligible."

Still notable, since there's no line for Mordin, Zaeed, or any of the other characters you don't get a whiff of romance with. Interesting find! I wonder if it still says Justicar Samara if you took Morinth?

Also, that means Justicar Samara is an equivalent form of address to Mr. Taylor or Miss Lawson, meaning Samara has no last name (or no first name, if you want to get into 'well, technically' territory). Think she dropped it when she joined the justicars?

[Heart Collector]

Samara was awesome indeed... And I think she should be romanceable in ME 3.



However, it should only come after a long and meaningful plotline with huge build-up, and a lovemaking scene (NOT a sex scene, there's a big difference between having sex and making love) would only occur once, as a culmination of that relationship been built up, and maybe it could be like a "parting gift" of sorts, like knowing they will never see each other again, or something.



I think the only way to do justice to the particular character through a lovemaking scene would be to make Samara the protagonist and Shepard the squad-mate, in a way - And no moaning and feeling her up, at the most they touch each others faces and hands. It should be more like a religious experience for Shepard in a way, more "platonic" than obviously carnal.



Maybe instead of her eyes changing, she in her entirety would glow and her eyes remain normal - And Shepard could cry in the scene. For once, Shepard is weak...

[Will Moor]

I personally have been thinking that Samara looks somewhat like a young Meg Foster, myself.  Especially with the eyes and jaw.  

Modifié par Will Moor, 09 mars 2010 - 12:49 .

[Ashira Shepard]

BobbyTheI wrote...
EDIT: Okay, mystery somewhat solved.  Somebody on the Jack thread cleared me up on that ad: it doesn't psychically figure out who you're romancing, it just picks one of the eligible members of the opposite sex that you're walking around with and assumes the two of you are knocking boots.  Still, somewhat interesting that the game sees Samara as "eligible."

Interesting in that it could be a hint for some kind of reaction/continuation in ME3 if you try to romance her in ME2. Since the 'official' LI's will/should continue into ME3, and she's listed among them there.

Ah, one can hope can't they?

[Ashira Shepard]

Double post, sue me.



Just as a general wondering, anyone else shiver when Samara uses reave and goes "Your life is mine"?



No, just me? Malright... *hides under a rock*

[Darth Drago]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

What do you guys think a meeting between Samara and Liara would be like?

-That depends. Was Liara your love interest and you tried to cheat on her with Samara? If so I don’t think Shepard would have a prayer. Geth, just target practice. Collectors, just pest control. Reapers, no problem. Against two Asari scorned, no chance in hell.

AshiraShepard wrote...

Double post, sue me.

Just as a general wondering, anyone else shiver when Samara uses reave and goes "Your life is mine"?

No, just me? Malright... *hides under a rock*

-Reminds me of Shang Tsung from Mortal Kombat saying “your soul is mine”

Modifié par Darth Drago, 12 mars 2010 - 06:30 .

[devilsgrin]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

What do you guys think a meeting between Samara and Liara would be like?

just like any meeting between an Asari and a Justicar... Liara would be instantly both respectful and wary (she is being rather unethical as an information broker after all).

I also imagine that if Shep romanced Liara, she'd also be jealous that Shep had moved on to another Asari lover... (though we know even if he/she wanted to, it wouldn't happen)... one significantly more powerful than Liara herself, and possessed of much more in common with Shep (especially a ParagonShep).

[Ashira Shepard]

*patiently waits for the Samara LI option to present itself in ME3* breakup with Liara...run like hell...get better protective armour...or something against biotics...



Using my Shepard's logic from who Liara was in ME1 - "She died, replaced by someone I don't know nor do I want to." But by then she was already head-over-heels for our favourite space-paladin *cough* Justicar.

[Knoll Argonar]

In a non-canon Infiltrator Shepard I plan to make, She'll be my "Love Interest". A failed one, but whatever.



She's very interesting as a character, I like her eyes, her smile and her voice. Furthermore, her past story is original and really good. Hope she "looks for me" in ME3, as she said to me. And hope she's still a crew member to stop the collectors.

[kelmar6821]

edit woops loos like the forums didn't like that
http://fc09.devianta...y_Crimm_Art.jpg
http://fc07.devianta...y_Crimm_Art.jpg

Modifié par kelmar6821, 15 mars 2010 - 08:49 .

[enormousmoonboots]

I'm not sure if Samara would approve of Liara or not...an information broker is shady, but she may be making only positive deals, and she's doing it in the name of justice. Samara might like that.



@kelmar: oh man, those are hilarious. Raises a good question about Liara in human helmets, too. I hadn't thought about that.

[Ashira Shepard]

*snerk* Saw those comics on Deviantart, bloody amusing ^^
Just to stay on the safe side, maybe its best Liara and Samara didn't meet.

Curious wondering, after going through a few polls on the subject and noting various topics. If Samara was made an LI for ME3, and if whatever romance your Shepard was in at the very end had a conclusion; my thoughts don't go to the image of settling down. More like, Shepard fighting alongside Samara, but following her actions instead.

Shepard can just wear a recon hood to remain faceless if need be. "Black Angel" by Samara's side.

*cough*I-use-the-word-'angel'-because-I-always-play-a-female-shepard*cough* "Black" because of black armour of course.

Anyone elses thoughts? I'm curious to know.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 15 mars 2010 - 02:38 .

[kelmar6821]

With Morinth gone She may put down the Justicar mantle. That certainly opens up possibilities.

[kelmar6821]

Here are my samara pics from the recruitment mission

here is the link to the entire album, and i'll give you the thumbs of the choice shots

http://s8.photobucke...mara/?start=all



Heeeyyy, how ya dooiinn?





ever wonder what samara would look like drunk?





purely mesmerizing





rawr

[BlackMetal]

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite character in Mass Effect.

[Ashira Shepard]

She almost looks like she's about to pass out in that first pic, probably just me though.



To the "drunk" picture->



"We will never speak of that night again..."



"What? Why? It was hilarious!"



*long silence* "I'm sure there's a loophole in the Code somewhere..."



"Shutting up!"