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[7Makaveli]

Agreed, but i got bikini clad justicar, what now?



Seriously tho the second fanart gives samara a distinctly human appearance

[Flamewielder]

Siansonea II wrote...

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Ah, an image for those who completely missed the point of the Samara character.

Personally, I hope BioWare does not make Samara a LI for ME3. Samara is an asari matriarch, at this stage of her life, would she really be shacking up with a 30-ish human? I'm only 41, and even I wouldn't date a 30-year-old.

I don't know... a memento from her maiden years, perhaps? Just kidding...

That's more a matter of individual outlook, but I agree the age difference can imply a vast difference on individual outlook on relationships (then again, I'm 45, my wife will be 52 this summer; I TOTALLY fell for the "older woman"...  what can I say?).

Yes, there's a considerable difference in age between Shepard and Samara (even when put in relative terms), but I don't think Samara's rebuttal is mostly age-difference driven. She's mourning a child she had to kill herself and this also likely re-opened the old wound caused by the realisation that she would never enjoy a "normal" life as a matron. A romance with Shepard, while offering all the solace such things may bring, may also be too painful a reminder of a life she once dreamt of having but was denied to her by fate...

Yes, mating with a human might reduce her chances of getting a 4th Ardat-Yakshi daughter; but after having "scored" 3 out of 3, I can see why she'd be too scared to try again with anyone.

Yes, as a sucker for happy endings I hope for a solid, well-written and subtle romance for Sam and Shep in ME3, but I also respect well-written tragic characters and would prefer no romance at all over something unworthy of the character.

[Whatcote Park]

Bit late.. but wohoo page 200!

[7Makaveli]

[DirtyVagrant]

[DirtyVagrant]

7Makaveli wrote...

Love it.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I love Samara's voice.

[Mondo47]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Well I have good news folks.  Samara is indeed romancable in ME2.  It took a lot of hard work and  I really had to break out the heavy artillery of suave, charm, finesse, and testosterone, but it finally paid off!

Wisdom and experience are two strong traits of Samara.  I think these traits in a strange sort of way previously clouded her judgement.  Now she has seen the error of her ways and she is on the right track.

Out of total sheer luck and happenstance, Samara and I had a sultry romantic interlude in the Captains Quarters last night.   I entered her quarters this morning and she started singing to me. 



Yeah that's right, I got her now.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Yeah, well I checked the footage of this tryst of yours from some of Miranda's spycams and, well, I think she's using biotics to touch up her looks....

(only teasin' - I just like the song )

[Siansonea]

slimgrin wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

HAI BAI BAI



JD it might be late, but I have one-upped your bikini clad warrios pics

Ah, an image for those who completely missed the point of the Samara character.

Personally, I hope BioWare does not make Samara a LI for ME3. Samara is an asari matriarch, at this stage of her life, would she really be shacking up with a 30-ish human? I'm only 41, and even I wouldn't date a 30-year-old.

I gotta call B.S. on that one Sian. My sister married a guy 12 yrs her junior and she's not complaining one bit. Don't tell me you wouldn't do the same. Everyone is pretty well grown up by thirty, I would like to think.

And besides, I rather like this picture. Kinda cute. 

Your sister is fortunate, but I would disagree that everyone is mature at 30. Some people aren't mature at 60. It varies by the individual. Personally I know some rather mature teens, and some very irresponsible seniors. Age is a number, I will admit. But Samara is about a thousand years old. Talk about 'been there, done that'. I can't imagine an asari matriarch could be moved by much of anything after almost a millenium of life. As I get older I find the prospect of yet another relationship to be more tiresome than anything else.

I'm not saying that if I found Mr. Perfect and he happened to be 30 it would be dealbreaker. I'm sure I could come up with some other excuse to avoid the relationship. "It's not you, it's me" is a reliable escape plan.

[Siansonea]

Flamewielder wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...



Ah, an image for those who completely missed the point of the Samara character.

Personally, I hope BioWare does not make Samara a LI for ME3. Samara is an asari matriarch, at this stage of her life, would she really be shacking up with a 30-ish human? I'm only 41, and even I wouldn't date a 30-year-old.

I don't know... a memento from her maiden years, perhaps? Just kidding...

That's more a matter of individual outlook, but I agree the age difference can imply a vast difference on individual outlook on relationships (then again, I'm 45, my wife will be 52 this summer; I TOTALLY fell for the "older woman"...  what can I say?).

Yes, there's a considerable difference in age between Shepard and Samara (even when put in relative terms), but I don't think Samara's rebuttal is mostly age-difference driven. She's mourning a child she had to kill herself and this also likely re-opened the old wound caused by the realisation that she would never enjoy a "normal" life as a matron. A romance with Shepard, while offering all the solace such things may bring, may also be too painful a reminder of a life she once dreamt of having but was denied to her by fate...

Yes, mating with a human might reduce her chances of getting a 4th Ardat-Yakshi daughter; but after having "scored" 3 out of 3, I can see why she'd be too scared to try again with anyone.

Yes, as a sucker for happy endings I hope for a solid, well-written and subtle romance for Sam and Shep in ME3, but I also respect well-written tragic characters and would prefer no romance at all over something unworthy of the character.

We know that all ardat-yakshi are purebloods, which means Samara had an asari bondmate that fathered her children. A human bondmate could not produce an ardat-yakshi child. But Samara is well past her Matron stage, so I doubt she wants to start raising children again during her golden years. Benezia was no doubt a Matriarch when she had Liara, but I think that's probably relatively uncommon.

[LiquidGrape]

That drawing is awful.
My apologies to the artist if she/he's present, but it's an absolutely terrible design.

As for Maggie Baird, the voice over actor for Samara...you do know that she's a singer, right?

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 26 avril 2010 - 06:15 .

[DirtyVagrant]

Siansonea II wrote...

We know that all ardat-yakshi are purebloods, which means Samara had an asari bondmate that fathered her children. A human bondmate could not produce an ardat-yakshi child. But Samara is well past her Matron stage, so I doubt she wants to start raising children again during her golden years. Benezia was no doubt a Matriarch when she had Liara, but I think that's probably relatively uncommon.

Debatable whether Samara is a Matriarch. I'd personally say is coming very close to that stage but still a Matron during ME2.

I wish one of the writer's involved with Samara's creation/recruitment and loyalty mission or Christina Norman could at least vertify for us what stage of life Samara is in and/or her true age.

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 26 avril 2010 - 06:22 .

[NICKjnp]

Siansonea II wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...



Ah, an image for those who completely missed the point of the Samara character.

Personally, I hope BioWare does not make Samara a LI for ME3. Samara is an asari matriarch, at this stage of her life, would she really be shacking up with a 30-ish human? I'm only 41, and even I wouldn't date a 30-year-old.

I don't know... a memento from her maiden years, perhaps? Just kidding...

That's more a matter of individual outlook, but I agree the age difference can imply a vast difference on individual outlook on relationships (then again, I'm 45, my wife will be 52 this summer; I TOTALLY fell for the "older woman"...  what can I say?).

Yes, there's a considerable difference in age between Shepard and Samara (even when put in relative terms), but I don't think Samara's rebuttal is mostly age-difference driven. She's mourning a child she had to kill herself and this also likely re-opened the old wound caused by the realisation that she would never enjoy a "normal" life as a matron. A romance with Shepard, while offering all the solace such things may bring, may also be too painful a reminder of a life she once dreamt of having but was denied to her by fate...

Yes, mating with a human might reduce her chances of getting a 4th Ardat-Yakshi daughter; but after having "scored" 3 out of 3, I can see why she'd be too scared to try again with anyone.

Yes, as a sucker for happy endings I hope for a solid, well-written and subtle romance for Sam and Shep in ME3, but I also respect well-written tragic characters and would prefer no romance at all over something unworthy of the character.

We know that all ardat-yakshi are purebloods, which means Samara had an asari bondmate that fathered her children. A human bondmate could not produce an ardat-yakshi child. But Samara is well past her Matron stage, so I doubt she wants to start raising children again during her golden years. Benezia was no doubt a Matriarch when she had Liara, but I think that's probably relatively uncommon.

We don't know if ardat-yakshi are purebloods.  Where does it say that about ardat-yakshi.  The only thing we know is that Samara is a pureblood.  She never mentions if the "father" of her children is Asari or another species.

[Flamewielder]

Siansonea II wrote...
We know that all ardat-yakshi are purebloods, which means Samara had an asari bondmate that fathered her children. A human bondmate could not produce an ardat-yakshi child. But Samara is well past her Matron stage, so I doubt she wants to start raising children again during her golden years. Benezia was no doubt a Matriarch when she had Liara, but I think that's probably relatively uncommon.

Since the codex entry only states that pureblood mothers are more at risk to have her children develop the Ardat-Yakshi condition, we have no way to say that Ardat-Yakshi have to be truebloods themselves (or not).

I pointed out the "been there, done that" argument before and it's a valid one, but as you'll agree, there are exceptions. I think Samara's reasons for denying Shepard are of a more personal nature, such as:
1) anguish over Morinth's death,
2) fear of giving birth to a fourth Ardat-Yakshi daughter
3) fear of starting a romance that might awaken painful memories
4) having forsaken the "father" of her children to become a Justicar, would she want to lessen that sacrifice by starting a new romance with someone else she's just met? The loss of a child can break or bond a couple.

Her denial of Shepard pained her. It hints at a deeper reason behind her rejection... which is good: we like depth in characters!

[Siansonea]

NICKjnp wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...



Ah, an image for those who completely missed the point of the Samara character.

Personally, I hope BioWare does not make Samara a LI for ME3. Samara is an asari matriarch, at this stage of her life, would she really be shacking up with a 30-ish human? I'm only 41, and even I wouldn't date a 30-year-old.

I don't know... a memento from her maiden years, perhaps? Just kidding...

That's more a matter of individual outlook, but I agree the age difference can imply a vast difference on individual outlook on relationships (then again, I'm 45, my wife will be 52 this summer; I TOTALLY fell for the "older woman"...  what can I say?).

Yes, there's a considerable difference in age between Shepard and Samara (even when put in relative terms), but I don't think Samara's rebuttal is mostly age-difference driven. She's mourning a child she had to kill herself and this also likely re-opened the old wound caused by the realisation that she would never enjoy a "normal" life as a matron. A romance with Shepard, while offering all the solace such things may bring, may also be too painful a reminder of a life she once dreamt of having but was denied to her by fate...

Yes, mating with a human might reduce her chances of getting a 4th Ardat-Yakshi daughter; but after having "scored" 3 out of 3, I can see why she'd be too scared to try again with anyone.

Yes, as a sucker for happy endings I hope for a solid, well-written and subtle romance for Sam and Shep in ME3, but I also respect well-written tragic characters and would prefer no romance at all over something unworthy of the character.

We know that all ardat-yakshi are purebloods, which means Samara had an asari bondmate that fathered her children. A human bondmate could not produce an ardat-yakshi child. But Samara is well past her Matron stage, so I doubt she wants to start raising children again during her golden years. Benezia was no doubt a Matriarch when she had Liara, but I think that's probably relatively uncommon.

We don't know if ardat-yakshi are purebloods.  Where does it say that about ardat-yakshi.  The only thing we know is that Samara is a pureblood.  She never mentions if the "father" of her children is Asari or another species.

I don't remember exactly where it says it in the literature, but there are overheard conversations on Illium (near Baria Frontiers where two asari talk about purebloods, and how 'that's how we get throwbacks like the ardat-yakshi'. They discuss it in the Mass Effect Wiki page on ardat-yakshi:

http://masseffect.wi...ki/Ardat-Yakshi

[Siansonea]

So if it is a pureblood mother that is at risk of having an ardat-yakshi child, then Shepard and Liara's children are at risk of being ardat-yakshi.

[DirtyVagrant]

Bioware should really compose, like, a Mass Effect companion book or Ultimate Codex book that could go in depth to the Mass Effect races.

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 26 avril 2010 - 08:22 .

[7Makaveli]

How are we even sure that Samara is the one that beared the children (got pregnant)? Maybe when they found out that their children were Ardat-Yaksi, the real "mother" left because she was heartbroken and they found out it was Samara's A-Y genes that led to it. Then Samara covered it up by saying she was the mother and raised them alone. Well as much as she could...

^ I realize that this is complete speculation on my part, and full of holes, but ehh, its something to think about. And I'll even take it a step further, and speculate that Liara chose a life of seclusion BY studying Protheans at a dig site, and that is why she has never sexually melded before she meets Shepard in ME1. DHUN DHUN DHUNNNN! Which means Benezia was in fact the mother that birthed Ardat-Yakshi but left Samara to deal with it which is not totally out of her evil character. DHUN DHUN DHUNNNN!

EDIT: this post should not really be taken seriously.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 26 avril 2010 - 08:31 .