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[Flamewielder]

Siansonea II wrote...

So if it is a pureblood mother that is at risk of having an ardat-yakshi child, then Shepard and Liara's children are at risk of being ardat-yakshi.

Yep, that's pretty much what the entry says...

Details are scarce, which suggest BW may not have given much thought to asari genetics.

It IS possible that mating with a particular species might cause the asari genes to sequence in a particular way, which might explain why asari children from inter-species unions inherit some personality traits from their non-asari parent. This would be more in-line with Liara's descriptions in ME1. But children inherit personality traits from their parents just by living in the same house, without getting into genetics. BW created some nice characters but didn't bother with more in-depth research on implications. But the asari certainly seem to think inter-species reduces the likelihood of A-Y children, whatever the reason is.

The wiki entry also mentions the A-Y condition is undetectable until the victim reaches adult (i.e. puberty) age, which would fit nicely with my suggestion that Morinth's first victim was probably her first "high-school sweetheart" (embracing eternity in the asari equivalent of an aircar's backseat or hay barn, to use the old clichés).

[Siansonea]

Well, Morinth calls Samara 'mother', so I assume Samara birthed all three of her daughters. Also, the only other really large-busted asari we see in the ME universe is Matriarch Benezia, herself a mother. I don't think there's any question of maternity. Morinth and her sisters' "father" is probably dead, or else he or she would probably be either helping Samara or trying to stop her from killing their rogue daughter. Of course, Morinth is 440 years old, unless the father is krogan (unlikely, I think) then a non-asari father would have died of old age.

It's weird to think that Samara was born sometime in the 12th Century, and that Morinth was born ~1745.

[Flamewielder]

Siansonea II wrote...

Well, Morinth calls Samara 'mother', so I assume Samara birthed all three of her daughters. Also, the only other really large-busted asari we see in the ME universe is Matriarch Benezia, herself a mother. I don't think there's any question of maternity. Morinth and her sisters' "father" is probably dead, or else he or she would probably be either helping Samara or trying to stop her from killing their rogue daughter. Of course, Morinth is 440 years old, unless the father is krogan (unlikely, I think) then a non-asari father would have died of old age.

It's weird to think that Samara was born sometime in the 12th Century, and that Morinth was born ~1745.

I share your thinking, Sian. Samara's comments are more what I'd expect from a mother than a father.

Samara was born while the Bayeux tapestry was being weaved... blows one's mind, doesn't it?

[Flamewielder]

I was smiling as I pictured Shepard, Ashley and Samara walking by a statue of Samara in a park on Thessia, with Shepard commenting on the statue's remaqueable likeness, Samara modestly dismissing it and Ashley's shock  at reading the plaque that says the statue was done 300 years ago...

[7Makaveli]

Flamewielder wrote...

I was smiling as I pictured Shepard, Ashley and Samara walking by a statue of Samara in a park on Thessia, with Shepard commenting on the statue's remaqueable likeness, Samara modestly dismissing it and Ashley's shock  at reading the plaque that says the statue was done 300 years ago...

I'm sure Samara has many other statues and shrines at the Justicar Acropolis

[Flamewielder]

7Makaveli wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...
I was smiling as I pictured Shepard, Ashley and Samara walking by a statue of Samara in a park on Thessia, with Shepard commenting on the statue's remaqueable likeness, Samara modestly dismissing it and Ashley's shock  at reading the plaque that says the statue was done 300 years ago...

I'm sure Samara has many other statues and shrines at the Justicar Acropolis

Shepard: "Wait a minute... this statue, it's you, isn't it?"
Ashley: <impressed> "I like it! So lifelike..."
Samara: "Tomarkin, the artist, was a true master of the Occidan school of turian sculpture... I'm embarassed to say he became quite infatuated with me in his twillight years. A purely one-sided affair, of course.
Shepard: <curious> "Was? Did he pass away recently?"
Samara: <wistful> "Almost 300 years ago... the universe is lesser for his passing."
Ashley: <shocked> "Three... Now that's so... unfair!"

[The_KFD_Case]

Siansonea II wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

HAI BAI BAI



JD it might be late, but I have one-upped your bikini clad warrios pics

Ah, an image for those who completely missed the point of the Samara character.

Personally, I hope BioWare does not make Samara a LI for ME3. Samara is an asari matriarch, at this stage of her life, would she really be shacking up with a 30-ish human? I'm only 41, and even I wouldn't date a 30-year-old.

A matter of personal taste and opinion it would seem. While you might not be willing to date someone who is younger than you by 11 years, that is not to say that others aren't willing and able to do so - some even happily so. Besides, considering Samara's own words "I didn't think someone so young would be able to touch me", or something closely approximating those words, it seems clear that she has taken an interest in Shepard. One that is, if not outright romantic in nature, certainly seems to have crossed into or beyond the sometimes murky boundary between platonic and non-platonic relationships.

Personally I enjoy it when BioWare gives us choices, lots of choices - both happy ones as well as sad ones. Allowing Samara to be a pursuable LI does not mean one has to pursue her. Personally I would on at least one playthrough though.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 26 avril 2010 - 11:41 .

[The_KFD_Case]

7Makaveli wrote...

"You're different from anyone I've ever met, I am sure I can find more than happiness with you..."

Those are strong words indeed coming from a sapient being that has lived between 600 to 900 years (depending on which age sources one goes by). And provided that we believe Samara has an excellent memory and is being honest. I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.

[The_KFD_Case]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Manipulative psychotic killer is manipulative.

[The_KFD_Case]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I love Samara's voice.

Aaaaagreed!

[Siansonea]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

"You're different from anyone I've ever met, I am sure I can find more than happiness with you..."

Those are strong words indeed coming from a sapient being that has lived between 600 to 900 years (depending on which age sources one goes by). And provided that we believe Samara has an excellent memory and is being honest. I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Actually, we know from Samara's dialogue that she is 'nearly 1000 years old', so she is definitely in her Matriarch stage.

[The_KFD_Case]

Siansonea II wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

"You're different from anyone I've ever met, I am sure I can find more than happiness with you..."

Those are strong words indeed coming from a sapient being that has lived between 600 to 900 years (depending on which age sources one goes by). And provided that we believe Samara has an excellent memory and is being honest. I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Actually, we know from Samara's dialogue that she is 'nearly 1000 years old', so she is definitely in her Matriarch stage.

See that's my take on it as well given in-game sources & comments, however someone provided me a link several months back to one of EA's/BioWare's ME2 official character profiles website section and it still shows her age as ca. 600 human years. So someone, somewhere, on one or the other side of the two figures in dispute biffed it.

Official BioWare ME2 website Samara profile

Furthermore, Samara is described as being close in biotic power to that of an Asari matriarch implying that Samara is not yet a full-blown matriach, which leads me to think that she is not yet 1,000 years old. Probably somewhere in the 900 years range is my personal guess.

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 27 avril 2010 - 12:26 .

[The_KFD_Case]

yorkj86 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

See that's my take on it as well given in-game sources & comments, however someone provided me a link several months back to one of EA's/BioWare's ME2 official character profiles website section and it still shows her age as ca. 600 human years. So someone, somewhere, on one or the other side of the two figures in dispute biffed it.

Official BioWare ME2 website Samara profile

Furthermore, Samara is described as being close in biotic power to that of an Asari matriarch implying that Samara is not yet a full-blown matriach, which leads me to think that she is not yet 1,000 years old. Probably somewhere in the 900 years range is my personal guess.

The Matriarch stage starts around 700 years of age, "or later if the individual melds rarely"  (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari).  There's definitely something fishy going on with Bioware's writers and Samara's age.

Aye. Seems to be a case of the proverbial right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing and vice versa.

[BlackMetal]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...

See that's my take on it as well given in-game sources & comments, however someone provided me a link several months back to one of EA's/BioWare's ME2 official character profiles website section and it still shows her age as ca. 600 human years. So someone, somewhere, on one or the other side of the two figures in dispute biffed it.

Official BioWare ME2 website Samara profile

Furthermore, Samara is described as being close in biotic power to that of an Asari matriarch implying that Samara is not yet a full-blown matriach, which leads me to think that she is not yet 1,000 years old. Probably somewhere in the 900 years range is my personal guess.

The Matriarch stage starts around 700 years of age, "or later if the individual melds rarely"  (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari).  There's definitely something fishy going on with Bioware's writers and Samara's age.

Aye. Seems to be a case of the proverbial right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing and vice versa.

I honestly don't care how old she is i'd just like to get a straight answer.

[7Makaveli]

I think I estimated around 790 considering the Matron stage starts at 350, Morinth is 40 when she runs, and she chases her for 400 years. However, apparently you can become a Matron earlier/later so it could be a up 10-100 years off.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 27 avril 2010 - 01:57 .

[7Makaveli]

I was gonna say that Asari that become Justicars probably preserve their personality, but enforce it through the filter that is The Code. Samara mentions that even though she was a powerful mercenary she wasn't a cold-blooded killer. Look at the slavers she saved and subsequently lectured before she let them free. This is very similar to what she would do as a Justicar if she encountered the Collectors operating in such a way. She obviously has a history of mature decision making which is probably used in a background check before she underwent training for Justicar-hood. Just anyone who goes up to the elder Justicars would probably face a lot of scrutiny and would likely not thrive in the hypothetical and potentially fatal situations they are placed n during training. Samara's cerebral maturity is a sort of defense mechanism. She has seen intense, chaotic things, meditating is the only way to escape this trauma. Keeping her speaking tones even and her mannerisms subtle is her way of keeping things on an even keel.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 27 avril 2010 - 02:10 .

[7Makaveli]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Seriously, there seems to be quite a few inconsistencies all through ME.
Inconsistencies that often times give us a hard time even speculating, much less establishing anything.  

thar sure is a ton a grey area thar Bubba.

all dis retconning sure has me confused lootenant dayn

[The_KFD_Case]

"Deliverance" and "Forrest Gump" strike again. Just remember: Once you decide to mind meld with Morinth it's "Game over man!"