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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 06:41

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Ok good, I am politically incorrect though (assuming we are using the same definition). I am actually proud of being politically incorrect, but our definitions of it may be different. I don't try to shove it down anyone's throat that I am aware of anyway, but I am also not terribly shy about it either.

You probably enjoy reading those theoretical posts I assume. I wish a few more frequenters were here in this thread. I have been posting in the Jack thread more often the last 2 weeks I guess. It usually moves a little faster than this one.

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 09:45

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The_KFD_Case wrote...
Irrelevant. If the Paragon and Renegade symbols only have meaning to us (i.e. the players) then they would have no meaning to the in-game characters and thus are unlikely to be used in place of symbols that are recognized in-game (i.e. Alliance and Cerberus symbols).=]

Furthermore, if by your argument most of the crew are working for Shepard then they aren't necessarily one or the other, and thus why even use either of the Paragon or Renegade symbols?

Now I didn't say the Paragon/Renegade symbols cannot have meaning to Shepard and his crew, it just cannot mean Paragon/Renegade to them. Paragon/Renegade are metagaming concepts. The icons themselves have no set "in universe" meaning, they are therefore as available as any new logo not having an already defined "in universe" meaning...

Cerberus and Alliance logos do, however, and a good 3/4 of the crew would be happy to see the Cerberus one sandblasted from the Normandy's hull. Jack and Tali wouldn't be caught dead with a Cerberus badge on them... Image IPB

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 11:49

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Flamewielder wrote...

The_KFD_Case wrote...
Irrelevant. If the Paragon and Renegade symbols only have meaning to us (i.e. the players) then they would have no meaning to the in-game characters and thus are unlikely to be used in place of symbols that are recognized in-game (i.e. Alliance and Cerberus symbols).=]

Furthermore, if by your argument most of the crew are working for Shepard then they aren't necessarily one or the other, and thus why even use either of the Paragon or Renegade symbols?

Now I didn't say the Paragon/Renegade symbols cannot have meaning to Shepard and his crew, it just cannot mean Paragon/Renegade to them. Paragon/Renegade are metagaming concepts. The icons themselves have no set "in universe" meaning, they are therefore as available as any new logo not having an already defined "in universe" meaning...

Cerberus and Alliance logos do, however, and a good 3/4 of the crew would be happy to see the Cerberus one sandblasted from the Normandy's hull. Jack and Tali wouldn't be caught dead with a Cerberus badge on them... Image IPB


Fair enough, however if the Paragon/Renegade symbols have no inherent meaning to the characters in-game then any symbol may as well be used in their place. As with any symbol it only retains whatever value/imagery that the observer/adhere to imparts upon it.

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Ashira Shepard
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 12:02

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kelmar6821 wrote...

garrus' recruitment mission with samara in tow.


Ask and ye shall recieve!

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5930114/1/


NOW! Anyone else got an idea or thought I could build on for a one-shot involving Shepard/Samara?

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 01:05

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awesome. go to bed leaving request, wake up with it full filled.

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Ashira Shepard
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 01:15

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I haven't slept yet! *slightly wired* :o

Seriously though, the non-sleep is from Champions Online.

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 01:41

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AshiraShepard wrote...

JD, I find you perfectly friendly/agreeable :)
Honestly, with some of the crap I've seen posted on forums, and the politically incorrect jokes; not sure you'll do anything to run me out of the thread.

I'm just not as analytical/intellectual as most of posters on here with their big long theoretical posts ^^;;


If the intelligentsia here make a point of calling you out and running you off, then they're ****s, and their opinions don't matter one whit on a forum meant for discussion.  You shouldn't feel intimdated.

As for ideas for a Samara/Shepard one-shot, I always thought that it would be interesting to see Samara and Shepard having a bonding experience at some place of historical significance to the Asari or the Humans.  If you're not up for fabricating Asari lore for the sake of storytelling, you could have Samara and Shepard on Earth, at a human museum.  We know that Samara is curious about humans.  It could be the Metropolitan Museum of Art, where they have Greek art and architecture on permanent display.  The Asari are heavily influenced by the Greek in their design, so it would be a kind of a meta-reference to the game's designers.  The museum also has an exhibit of weaponry from around the world, and since Samara compares the Justicars to the Samurai...

Also, my idea for the picture of Shepard & Samara at the Asari amphitheater is back on the table, for anyone who cares.  I found an artist who is interested.

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 01:48

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*salutes* I'll see what I can do...along those lines. I've never been to that museum though :S

I've actually been picturing the two of them on earth for one reason or another, the first not as in keeping with where the story would naturally go between ME2 and ME3. Shepard's mother has died, and she takes her ashes back to earth etc Samara would be with her instead of her father because in my head he's already dead, mostly because he isn't mentioned at all with the Spacer background.
It was all just in my head though I never really thought I was a good enough idea to write.

Struck me while I was walking through the town here, seeing the old places where my mother grew up.

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 01:55

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AshiraShepard wrote...

*salutes* I'll see what I can do...along those lines. I've never been to that museum though :S

I've actually been picturing the two of them on earth for one reason or another, the first not as in keeping with where the story would naturally go between ME2 and ME3. Shepard's mother has died, and she takes her ashes back to earth etc was all in my head though I never really thought I was a good enough idea to write.

Struck me while I was walking through the town here, seeing the old places where my mother grew up.


Well, then, it could just be a random prominent museum with those items on display.  It could be the Metropolitan Museum of Art itself, if you're loose with the details of the building's construction.

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:35

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The_KFD_Case wrote...
Fair enough, however if the Paragon/Renegade symbols have no inherent meaning to the characters in-game then any symbol may as well be used in their place. As with any symbol it only retains whatever value/imagery that the observer/adhere to imparts upon it.

Absolutely.Image IPB I was looking at the Blue Suns logo and was wondering what significance it might hold for Zaeed. He founded the band, probably picked the logo himself for all we know. It must have some private significance to him, as he's got it tattooed on his body. It's just never explained and that's ok. A character's entitled to some hidden depth.

Similarily, Shepard and friends might choose a logo that happens to be the Renegade/Paragon logo, for reasons of their own, without us ever finding out.  We, the players would understand the metagaming reason, Shepard and friends would have their own private reason. They don't know ours, we don't know theirs... players and characters enjoying their own secret joke. Image IPB Whatever reason they have is their own.

Anyway, it's just an idea...Image IPB

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:20

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now this is special, bit of a Dr. Manhattan vibe going



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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:26

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right click and view for full image ^

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:27

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7Makaveli wrote...

now this is special, bit of a Dr. Manhattan vibe going

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"Ooooo! Shiny!" Image IPB

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:59

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those are both awesome. i like that they're using her black outfit.

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 07:46

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Am I the only one that thinks samara's black outfit is better?

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 08:25

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AshiraShepard wrote...
JD, I find you perfectly friendly/agreeable :)
Honestly, with some of the crap I've seen posted on forums, and the politically incorrect jokes; not sure you'll do anything to run me out of the thread.

I'm just not as analytical/intellectual as most of posters on here with their big long theoretical posts ^^;;

yorkj86 wrote...
If the intelligentsia here make a point of calling you out and running you off, then they're ****s, and their opinions don't matter one whit on a forum meant for discussion.  You shouldn't feel intimdated.

I agree with this 100%, and should have stated it in my earlier comment Ashira. 

yorkj86 wrote...
Also, my idea for the picture of Shepard & Samara at the Asari amphitheater is back on the table, for anyone who cares.  I found an artist who is interested.

I think that it would be a very interesting piece of artwork.  Of course I like my version better, but....:P

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 08:26

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the best thing about her black outfit is the golden headband, it matches better with the neckband imo

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 08:30

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DOYOURLABS wrote...

Am I the only one that thinks samara's black outfit is better?

I tend to like the black one better also.

#5194
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 09:15

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Hey guys haven't been here in a few days, Damn painters!Image IPB

So what's currently going on in my favorite thread on thei nternet?

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 09:39

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Not a whole lot. It's been pretty slow actually.

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 10:05

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Not a whole lot. It's been pretty slow actually.


That's unfortunate.

I was just re-watching the Bull**** FOX news story about the overblown sex scene in ME 1, and was thinking, do you want to see a return to the longer and IMO better scenes of ME 1 for ME 3, and would you want to see Samara in one?

My thinking is i kinda want to because she's extremely attractive and she has the best character in the game IMO but it would have to handled so delicatley so it would'nt come out poorly.

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 10:21

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They could have done it better and still not shown nudity in ME2 IMO. Snuggling is ok, but come on it's a romance, not a kiddies sim. They need to improve on that or freakin remove it in ME3 IMO.

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 10:22

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would not want to see one for samara. yes i want a romance. no i don't want a sex/love making scene. i highly doubt they could do it right.



...then again. Me3 will be the last ME (atleast for this story arch) and maybe i'ld rather they attempt it than not...i dunno

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 10:28

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kelmar6821 wrote...

would not want to see one for samara. yes i want a romance. no i don't want a sex/love making scene. i highly doubt they could do it right.



...then again. Me3 will be the last ME (atleast for this story arch) and maybe i'ld rather they attempt it than not...i dunno


The only reason i support it is because i believe that Bioware can pull it off right, they've got some of the best writers out there and they've already nailed all the gameplay mechanics so they can completely focus on the story/substory and pull of a great romance with Samara.

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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 10:49

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I dunno if I want a "love scene" if they are capable of pulling off a romance. Samara is very elegant and graceful, she seems in full control before the almost kiss, as she moves towards you. So they got that part right, but the rest, I don't know what they would do. Obviously they've moved away from nudity, even though it was fairly tasteful in ME1. And I don't think they would be able to show how that thing comes off hehe. A forehead touch is nice, but its been done with Garrus. A longing kiss, perhaps? More hand-holding and deep eye-gazing? Seems to fit I suppose. Embrace Eternity? yea, that's a home run.

The romances in ME2 seem to fit a scale. There's the lighthearted ones with Miranda and Jacob, where its more or less about getting to know you and then "getting it on" (no diss). Then the ones full of despair with Jack and Thane, ending with Shepard in the role of a comforter. And I guess Tali and Garrus would be the innocently awkward ones, where the physical obstacles of showing love must be overcome. I guess Samara's would angle towards the despair one, depending on how her story is forwarded (if), because I don't think there would be any physical awkwardness involved (other than sexual tension?) and I just wouldn't stand for a "getting it on" romance with Samara. Ideally I'd like some different kind of approach to a romance that doesn't fit into those formulas, but its really up to them.

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