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7Makaveli wrote...

I dunno if I want a "love scene" if they are capable of pulling off a romance. Samara is very elegant and graceful, she seems in full control before the almost kiss, as she moves towards you. So they got that part right, but the rest, I don't know what they would do. Obviously they've moved away from nudity, even though it was fairly tasteful in ME1. And I don't think they would be able to show how that thing comes off hehe. A forehead touch is nice, but its been done with Garrus. A longing kiss, perhaps? More hand-holding and deep eye-gazing? Seems to fit I suppose. Embrace Eternity? yea, that's a home run.

The romances in ME2 seem to fit a scale. There's the lighthearted ones with Miranda and Jacob, where its more or less about getting to know you and then "getting it on" (no diss). Then the ones full of despair with Jack and Thane, ending with Shepard in the role of a comforter. And I guess Tali and Garrus would be the innocently awkward ones, where the physical obstacles of showing love must be overcome. I guess Samara's would angle towards the despair one, depending on how her story is forwarded (if), because I don't think there would be any physical awkwardness involved (other than sexual tension?) and I just wouldn't stand for a "getting it on" romance with Samara. Ideally I'd like some different kind of approach to a romance that doesn't fit into those formulas, but its really up to them.


I never meant that i support a just "getting it on romance" ( If It came off as i did?) but i was just saying that a great romance can include a sex scene if it's tasteful. I'm for one for Samara but i'd like other meaningful moments aswell like a long kiss that you mentioned, and a more focus on good writing.

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If there must be a single romance scene for Shepard & Samara, it has to be tasteful above all else.  I wracked my brain for about an hour until I came up with something fitting.  There would be no nudity, no obvious physical intimacy.  It would be a shot of Samara & Shepard sitting close together, side-by-side, in the lotus position.  Usually Samara has her hands up in front of her, between which she focuses a mass effect field, but her hands would be down in this scene.  Between them, they would be holding hands, their joined hands suspended over the distance between their two forms.  Symbolic.  I suppose the background could be the cityscape of an Asari city on Thessia, or Illium.  They are looking at the sun as it sets on the horizon, setting the sky ablaze with an amber/orange color.

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DOYOURLABS wrote...

Am I the only one that thinks samara's black outfit is better?

No black is better imo.

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BlackMetal wrote...

I never meant that i support a just "getting it on romance" ( If It came off as i did?) but i was just saying that a great romance can include a sex scene if it's tasteful. I'm for one for Samara but i'd like other meaningful moments aswell like a long kiss that you mentioned, and a more focus on good writing.


oh nah, I wasn't implying that you were asking for just a sex scene. I was looking at it from the whole romance and what are its cirumstances, cause thats how the scenes in the end play out imo. for example If the romance was about comforting despair, then the scene turned out to be about shepard being the calming presence and helping the person find peace. so I just thought if there is a love scene, how it turns out depends on what kind of romance they are going for with samara for it to be appropriate.

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7Makaveli wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

I never meant that i support a just "getting it on romance" ( If It came off as i did?) but i was just saying that a great romance can include a sex scene if it's tasteful. I'm for one for Samara but i'd like other meaningful moments aswell like a long kiss that you mentioned, and a more focus on good writing.


oh nah, I wasn't implying that you were asking for just a sex scene. I was looking at it from the whole romance and what are its cirumstances, cause thats how the scenes in the end play out imo. for example If the romance was about comforting despair, then the scene turned out to be about shepard being the calming presence and helping the person find peace. so I just thought if there is a love scene, how it turns out depends on what kind of romance they are going for with samara for it to be appropriate.


Yeah, i would like more of a Jack like romance for Samara (More Emotional) rather than a Miranda style one (Please.. No engine Room for Samara..)Image IPB

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If there must be a single romance scene for Shepard & Samara, it has to be tasteful above all else.  I wracked my brain for about an hour until I came up with something fitting.  There would be no nudity, no obvious physical intimacy.  It would be a shot of Samara & Shepard sitting close together, side-by-side, in the lotus position.  Usually Samara has her hands up in front of her, between which she focuses a mass effect field, but her hands would be down in this scene.  Between them, they would be holding hands, their joined hands suspended over the distance between their two forms.  Symbolic.  I suppose the background could be the cityscape of an Asari city on Thessia, or Illium.  They are looking at the sun as it sets on the horizon, setting the sky ablaze with an amber/orange color.


damn thats it! Instead of people coming into Shepards cabin, for Samara's romance, our Shepard goes to her as she is meditating. and he goes not for smooching or anything, but to sit with her and meditate, be at peace before the final battle. This scenario is so far the most promising I've come across, York, good thinking. Tbh, it could even be pulled off with minimal dialogue.

Samara: Shepard?

Shepard: *hand on the back of his neck* I thought we could sit...........together.

Samara: You are more than welcome to find peace here......with me.

something like that, a very monk-like romance lol hard to imagine the commander meditating tho

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 28 avril 2010 - 11:10 .


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Ashira write this please ^ lol

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7Makaveli wrote...

Ashira write this please ^ lol


If I was an artist, I wouldn't have to spend money to get these picture-concepts out of my head and on to a piece of canvas/bunch of pixels :(

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ms paint is your friend.

you never know how good you are till you try. maybe you'ld prefer gimp? alot like photoshop, but free and less features.

or just try it out on paper with coloring pencils. everyone has to start somewhere.

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kelmar6821 wrote...

ms paint is your friend.

you never know how good you are till you try. maybe you'ld prefer gimp? alot like photoshop, but free and less features.

or just try it out on paper with coloring pencils. everyone has to start somewhere.


Nah, i was put through the art class motions in elementary school and high school.  I have trouble drawing stick-figures.  I can think stuff up, but I can't put it all down on canvas.

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7Makaveli wrote...
something like that, a very monk-like romance lol hard to imagine the commander meditating tho


My Shepard meditates =P Learnt to do so after Akuze to stop her emotions from running riot.

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My Shepard meditates =P Learnt to do so after Akuze to stop her emotions from running riot.



:happy: I suppose then you already have some fanfic where she joins Samara for a bit of meditating


Well I was bouncing some thoughts in my head. And I figured that it could be possible that a Samara romance turns out to be more centered on Shepard him/herself. Shepard has played therapist, councillor, and "priizes" in the romances, well how bout we let Samara be the knight in shining armor this time? This is a very unorthodox idea, but one that does have potential. We've complained at how bland Shepard can be as a personality, perhaps this way we'll actually see some character from our protagonist. Samara can share more of her experiences, bounce off war stories, and pearls of wisdom to Shepard, who will continue to be charmed and intrigued througout, eventually ending in some kind of emotional embrace. Come to think of it, this is probably more geared towards a fanfic (hint Ashira ;))

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*catches hint* =P



I'm not that great at building on a character's background, I get surprisingly nervous/paranoid. "Would they do this? Would they say that? Would that have happened?"



I guess if I twisted it around...



*taps chin* I think I have an idea. *scuttles off*

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woo hoo more morning reading. till then i'm off to sleep

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I wonder if an Asari who becomes a Justicar donates all of her worldly possessions, money included, to charity.  We know that Justicars shed their possessions, save for armor and weapons.  I think that that donating it all to charity would make  the most sense, as a symbolic act.  If being a Justicar means a life of sacrifice to protect the innocent, donating one's possessions to the needy is probably the first and most important act of a Justicar's career.

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yorkj86 wrote...

I wonder if an Asari who becomes a Justicar donates all of her worldly possessions, money included, to charity.  We know that Justicars shed their possessions, save for armor and weapons.  I think that that donating it all to charity would make  the most sense, as a symbolic act.  If being a Justicar means a life of sacrifice to protect the innocent, donating one's possessions to the needy is probably the first and most important act of a Justicar's career.

Maybe. Another possibility to consider would be for a Justicar to be considered "dead", i.e. the Justicar sheds her previous life to begin a new one as a Justicar, in which case whatever worldly posessions she had would be disposed of in a "will". Justicars also forsake their children, who may need/wish for this "inheritance".

We know her two remaining daughters live in seclusion, perhaps in some form of sanctuary managed by the Justicar order. They would have no need for any of Samara's belongings, but might want to keep tokens and mementos of their mother regardless.

The Justicars remind me of the Legion of the Dead, in DA. They both forsake ther old life for a perilous new one. Both fight for their species in their own way. The Legion protects the dwarves from the darkspawn, the Justicars protect the innocent from the unjust (i.e. those who would harm the innocent). The Legion has its leaders and they fight as an army, the Justicars have their Code and fight alone.

The more I read on Justicars, the more I'm becoming convinced that Justicars join the order out of guilt over something they did or allowed to happen. Justicars may not seek to bring enlightement to the unjust, but may be seeking atonement over past actions. A type of pennance, if you will. This would help explain Samara's reluctance to give in to Shepard in spite of her obvious feelings for him: it's part of the punishment she ascribed herself and she'll never given in until she feels she has atoned for whatever that fault may have been. Morinth's death may have brought her some closure, but it apparently is not enough yet.

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The more I read on Justicars, the more I'm becoming convinced that Justicars join the order out of guilt over something they did or allowed to happen. Justicars may not seek to bring enlightement to the unjust, but may be seeking atonement over past actions. A type of pennance, if you will. This would help explain Samara's reluctance to give in to Shepard in spite of her obvious feelings for him: it's part of the punishment she ascribed herself and she'll never given in until she feels she has atoned for whatever that fault may have been. Morinth's death may have brought her some closure, but it apparently is not enough yet.


Do you have any evidence of this, apart from Samara as one example, and apart from speculative extrapolation?  I'm not saying you're wrong, I  just want to know what brought you to draw that conclusion.

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yorkj86 wrote...

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The more I read on Justicars, the more I'm becoming convinced that Justicars join the order out of guilt over something they did or allowed to happen. Justicars may not seek to bring enlightement to the unjust, but may be seeking atonement over past actions. A type of pennance, if you will. This would help explain Samara's reluctance to give in to Shepard in spite of her obvious feelings for him: it's part of the punishment she ascribed herself and she'll never given in until she feels she has atoned for whatever that fault may have been. Morinth's death may have brought her some closure, but it apparently is not enough yet.

Do you have any evidence of this, apart from Samara as one example, and apart from speculative extrapolation?

No, nothing specific comes to mind. Samara's reluctance has plenty of possible explanations.  I don't have the Codex with me, and no dialogue transcript on hand. Call it interesting speculation on Samara's personal circumstances.Image IPB

The Mass Effect wiki states that the A-Y trait expresses itself at adulthood and is undetectable before. The wiki entry may not correspond to the Codex, I know. In this context, I presume adulthood is meant as puberty (maiden stage). So it's presumably a trait not yet mapped in the asari genome, possibly because cases are so rare that no real commonality has yet been identified. Hence, systematic genetic screening would not pick it up. I won't try to delve into the asari genetics mess, I'm just drawing conclusions from statements.

Presumably, once the trait expresses itself, it may be possible to diagnose the patient by simply attempting a meld under controlled conditions, interrupting the process at an early enough stage to protect the tester and the patient. Perhaps the high-tech version of an EEG would also serve, assuming the physicians know what to look for. The extreme rarity of the condition suggests this is not done routinely, but only when some clear indication demands it. This "clear indication" may very well be a body, showing signs of cerebral hemorrhage...

This first death, while tragic, is not premeditated. It's amost certainly accidental, if the A-Y was unaware of her condition. It is unlikely to have prompted Samara to become a Justicar. Her decision must have come some time later, probably after Morinth killed her second victim.

Now the question I ask myself is: was Samara's decision to become a Justicar driven solely by her sense of responsibility as a parent? If so, why a Justicar and not, say, an homicide inspector? Morinth's a maiden, she's responsible for her choices, not Samara. Choosing to become a Justicar seems rather extreme when you look at it like this.

A-Y's are apparently given a choice between seclusion or death. Not as punishment (at least for the first accidental death), but simply because there is no other viable choice: you just can't let an addicted A-Y loose among an unsuspecting population.

Now what if Samara, as a loving mother, fled with her daughters to a remote location rather than accepting this? At some point, Morinth killed again and ran away. Samara would then be indirectly responsible for this death. It would also have shattered her last hopes for a normal family, broken her heart, and convinced her that only death would stop Morinth from killing again. And even with Morinth dead, Samara's guilt over the part she initially played by attempting to save Morinth (and allowing Morinth to kill so many, even if this was not what Samara intended) would still gnaw at Samara's soul. It is said Hell is paved with good intentions... I think Samara would sadly agree.

Pure speculation, yes... but it adds more depth to the character. Motherly love betrayed... It is neither supported nor precluded by the limited information available, but it is a good example of what can be done with what too many players call "a boring paladin-type character".
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When Shepard asks Samara how she pays for transportation, I assumed on Asari worlds she would have little problem hitching a ride ;) ("hmm should I give that pretty Asari a lift?)" but out in the other systems it must be difficult. The Justicars don't really have the best reputation in terms of keeping people alive, but they do "take care" of any situations that may come up, so I think they would be welcome aboard cargo ships that aren't particularly safe. Now as for where she gets her next meal, I really can't tell. She's always on the move, skipping meals is probably a frequent occurrence. Forsaking all possessions except for armor, weapons, and ammo is probably why the training is so fatal. Even mercs need credits to get by.

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Hmm, on a totally different note: Samara being the only squad member not wishing Happy B'day to Grunt (or giving any statement for that matter)? I wonder why. Even Morinth managed to say something ...



http://social.biowar...-2448914-1.html

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7Makaveli wrote...

When Shepard asks Samara how she pays for transportation, I assumed on Asari worlds she would have little problem hitching a ride ;) ("hmm should I give that pretty Asari a lift?)" but out in the other systems it must be difficult. The Justicars don't really have the best reputation in terms of keeping people alive, but they do "take care" of any situations that may come up, so I think they would be welcome aboard cargo ships that aren't particularly safe. Now as for where she gets her next meal, I really can't tell. She's always on the move, skipping meals is probably a frequent occurrence. Forsaking all possessions except for armor, weapons, and ammo is probably why the training is so fatal. Even mercs need credits to get by.


Actually transport seems to be no issue at all. There was a dialogue where she told the story about her ship being attacked by pirates. As soon as it was established a justicar being aboard those ran as fast as they could. So I'd say her reputation is excellent in that respect ...no colateral damage to civilians this time :unsure:  

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Lotus72 wrote...

Hmm, on a totally different note: Samara being the only squad member not wishing Happy B'day to Grunt (or giving any statement for that matter)? I wonder why. Even Morinth managed to say something ...

http://social.biowar...-2448914-1.html


I wish she had something to say, but then again I dunno. Most of the people were just hurling half-witted insults at the "characters" anyway.

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7Makaveli wrote...

Lotus72 wrote...

Hmm, on a totally different note: Samara being the only squad member not wishing Happy B'day to Grunt (or giving any statement for that matter)? I wonder why. Even Morinth managed to say something ...

http://social.biowar...-2448914-1.html


I wish she had something to say, but then again I dunno. Most of the people were just hurling half-witted insults at the "characters" anyway.


Yeah - was mostly interested in the comments of the 'real' crew. Never saw a thread before where almost every1 of them posted - sometimes even more than once. Most of their accounts apparently established fairly recent around early April, so I'm wondering what Bioware's got in mind with those ...

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I think Justicar training is so lethal for a reason. Justicars are the pinnacle of asari justice, and weak warriors do nothing to uphold the reputation of the order. If your biotics and combat training aren't up to snuff, but you want to become a Justicar anyway, you're probably just signing your own death certificate.



I am curious about Samara's other two daughters. They willingly chose a life of seclusion over giving in to their ardat-yakshi nature, I imagine that takes a pretty strong act of will. Samara credits Morinth with being the 'smartest and strongest' of her daughters, but the other two obviously inherited Samara's propensity for self-denial. I would say those two are pretty strong individuals in their own right. I wonder if one of them might want to become a Justicar herself (though it probably would never be allowed).