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[7Makaveli]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Talinth in my head appear very human. Like this->

*snip*

But with a tail, and those "cat" ears are lower down, where our ears would be. Sharp teeth, sharp nails; very flexible spines. Reflective eyes, higher senses etc...

Talinth from colder climates actually have fur on their bodies and broader more "Na'vi" like noses, but Talinth from hotter climates have no fur other than their tails and ears; they appear the "most human."

I can see why Morinth would be interested, though it seems she might be getting more than she bargained for 

[Ashira Shepard]

@JD, as far as I'm aware of, yes they are. They started out as just a bloody name for a thing inside one of my warcraft characters, and they evolved from just being a damn name into...well, a species.



And yes Makaveli...I aim for that to be the point. *harmless smile*

[7Makaveli]

BlackMetal wrote...

Do you think Samara will tell you why she became a Justicar in ME 3? I hope so because she must have a very good but sad reason as to why.

From my understanding it was implied that it was because Morinth became this hedonistic killing machine, and she swore a specific oath to stop her. But if there is a hidden, even more deeper meaning as to why she became one then I'm all for it. Perhaps she always had an inkling to just drop everything and fight all her life, because she felt in full control on the battlefield, while she couldn't control giving this defect to her children, and couldn't stop her "favorite" daughter from running off. I don't know how they could develop that further though.

[Siansonea]

7Makaveli wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

Do you think Samara will tell you why she became a Justicar in ME 3? I hope so because she must have a very good but sad reason as to why.

From my understanding it was implied that it was because Morinth became this hedonistic killing machine, and she swore a specific oath to stop her. But if there is a hidden, even more deeper meaning as to why she became one then I'm all for it. Perhaps she always had an inkling to just drop everything and fight all her life, because she felt in full control on the battlefield, while she couldn't control giving this defect to her children, and couldn't stop her "favorite" daughter from running off. I don't know how they could develop that further though.

I think the reasons Samara has given are pretty clear. Morinth ran. Samara had to go after her, to correct the 'mistake' she made. Samara felt responsible for Morinth's killing spree, so she had to forswear all else and restore balance by stopping Morinth.

[The_KFD_Case]

7Makaveli wrote...

damn thats it! Instead of people coming into Shepards cabin, for Samara's romance, our Shepard goes to her as she is meditating. and he goes not for smooching or anything, but to sit with her and meditate, be at peace before the final battle. This scenario is so far the most promising I've come across, York, good thinking. Tbh, it could even be pulled off with minimal dialogue.

Samara: Shepard?

Shepard: *hand on the back of his neck* I thought we could sit...........together.

Samara: You are more than welcome to find peace here......with me.

something like that, a very monk-like romance lol hard to imagine the commander meditating tho

I like it. That said, I'm not at all opposed to a fully-blown consumated romance between Shepard and Samara - sexual scenes included.

[DOYOURLABS]

I hope we get to meet samara's other daughters in ME3. I'd like to see the ardat-yakshi that aren't sociopaths.

[BlackMetal]

Siansonea II wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

Do you think Samara will tell you why she became a Justicar in ME 3? I hope so because she must have a very good but sad reason as to why.

From my understanding it was implied that it was because Morinth became this hedonistic killing machine, and she swore a specific oath to stop her. But if there is a hidden, even more deeper meaning as to why she became one then I'm all for it. Perhaps she always had an inkling to just drop everything and fight all her life, because she felt in full control on the battlefield, while she couldn't control giving this defect to her children, and couldn't stop her "favorite" daughter from running off. I don't know how they could develop that further though.

I think the reasons Samara has given are pretty clear. Morinth ran. Samara had to go after her, to correct the 'mistake' she made. Samara felt responsible for Morinth's killing spree, so she had to forswear all else and restore balance by stopping Morinth.

Im suspecting it's not that shallow because if it was only because if it was just Mornith then why not just hunt her down and be done with it?

I suspect more to this....

[DOYOURLABS]

BlackMetal wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

Do you think Samara will tell you why she became a Justicar in ME 3? I hope so because she must have a very good but sad reason as to why.

From my understanding it was implied that it was because Morinth became this hedonistic killing machine, and she swore a specific oath to stop her. But if there is a hidden, even more deeper meaning as to why she became one then I'm all for it. Perhaps she always had an inkling to just drop everything and fight all her life, because she felt in full control on the battlefield, while she couldn't control giving this defect to her children, and couldn't stop her "favorite" daughter from running off. I don't know how they could develop that further though.

I think the reasons Samara has given are pretty clear. Morinth ran. Samara had to go after her, to correct the 'mistake' she made. Samara felt responsible for Morinth's killing spree, so she had to forswear all else and restore balance by stopping Morinth.

Im suspecting it's not that shallow because if it was only because if it was just Mornith then why not just hunt her down and be done with it?

I suspect more to this....

If she was just hunting Morinth, couldn't she stop being a justicar now that morinth is dead? She said she was going to hunt more ardat-yakshi, so I think she has a problem with them. Maybe she doesn't approve of them corrupting their victim's minds and then killing them.

[The_KFD_Case]

BlackMetal wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I think the reasons Samara has given are pretty clear. Morinth ran. Samara had to go after her, to correct the 'mistake' she made. Samara felt responsible for Morinth's killing spree, so she had to forswear all else and restore balance by stopping Morinth.

Im suspecting it's not that shallow because if it was only because if it was just Mornith then why not just hunt her down and be done with it?

I suspect more to this....

I'm with Siansonea on this one. In light of the fact that it took Samara over 400 years, and the assistance of Shepard, to finally put a stop to Morinth's bedlam - and considering Morinth's considerable skills and abilities which only grew stronger with each new kill - I don't think it was just a matter of hunting her down and being done with it. Space is vast with hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of sapient beings to hide amongst. Even with the resources of an entire space faring civilization it could easily have taken Samara years to hunt down Morinth, and even then with such resources at her disposal there is no guarantee she would have succeeded.

As for the motive, I do not find it shallow. It may seem simple enough on the surface but then a great many things can be made to appear simple if one sums it up. The devil is in the details as the saying goes and when we examine the myriad of stories relating to Samara's chase after Morinth, and if we try to imagine the heart wrenching agony she must have felt/feels for seeing her dreams of family bliss shattered ending with the death of her own child at her hands, it becomes a web of stories capable of rivalling epic sagas on Earth IMO.

[7Makaveli]

I remember thinking how ridiculous it was for Samara to have been chasing Morinth for 400 years! I thought that was a bit of exaggerated writing on bioware's part, but then it didn't seem so unrealistic. There is probably hundreds to thousands of settled worlds she could go to outside of Asari worlds. Imagine the burst of fear she would get from losing her from her finger tips again and again, knowing that she is free to continue murdering in a vast pool of unsuspecting innocents. And the further she goes, the stronger she gets. 400 years of sheer torment.

[DOYOURLABS]

7Makaveli wrote...

I remember thinking how ridiculous it was for Samara to have been chasing Morinth for 400 years! I thought that was a bit of exaggerated writing on bioware's part, but then it didn't seem so unrealistic. There is probably hundreds to thousands of settled worlds she could go to outside of Asari worlds. Imagine the burst of fear she would get from losing her from her finger tips again and again, knowing that she is free to continue murdering in a vast pool of unsuspecting innocents. And the further she goes, the stronger she gets. 400 years of sheer torment.

Those 400 years of frustration combined with knowing all of her daughters' conditions are her fault probably are the main reasons for her non-attachment and not wanting to be in a romance with shepard.

[The_KFD_Case]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

If she was just hunting Morinth, couldn't she stop being a justicar now that morinth is dead? She said she was going to hunt more ardat-yakshi, so I think she has a problem with them. Maybe she doesn't approve of them corrupting their victim's minds and then killing them.

Granted, I do not know what, if any, protocols the Justicar order has pertaining to members wishing to peacefully leave the order. At worst the Justicar order might consider any such cases a matter of treason and direct existing Justicars to hunt down the "fallen" Justicar. Could also be that as long as said former-Justicar behaves in accordance with the values of the Justicar order she will be left alone much like any other individual.

I suspect that Samara has had a strong and compassionate spirit from her early years, and with the passage of time acquired greater wisdom while not being the type of character to relish injustice. This could make the very black and white views of the Justicar order appealing to her once her private world was shook to its foundations with the loss of her three daughters to the Ardat-Yakshi mutation. Perhaps joining the Justicar order fulfilled a number of desires and needs simultaneously for Samara: 1) A sense of focused and directed purpose. 2) Directly dealing with the consequences of the condition of one of her daughters whom she may feel responsible for. 3) Actively contributing to the improvement of the state of the galaxy around her as defined by her Justicar Code (i.e. she got a taste for weeding out miscreants and punishing the wicked).

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

The most important question is...who would extend their hand (to be held) first?

hmmm, it wouldn't be Shepard, for me he/she would be a little nervous. I imagine after Shepard has settled down, gotten a little comfortable, Samara would give a look from the side of her eye, that little smile she gives, while Shepard just stares at her. Then she notices Samara has her hand extended ever so slightly on the floor, and she grabs it immediately, as if quenching a thirst. For a male, Samara's hand would be on the bottom. For a female, her hand placed on top. I dont have any fleshed out reasons for that lol but yea that's just a quick brainstorm.

[DOYOURLABS]

7Makaveli wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

The most important question is...who would extend their hand (to be held) first?

hmmm, it wouldn't be Shepard, for me he/she would be a little nervous. I imagine after Shepard has settled down, gotten a little comfortable, Samara would give a look from the side of her eye, that little smile she gives, while Shepard just stares at her. Then she notices Samara has her hand extended ever so slightly on the floor, and she grabs it immediately, as if quenching a thirst. For a male, Samara's hand would be on the bottom. For a female, her hand placed on top. I dont have any fleshed out reasons for that lol but yea that's just a quick brainstorm.

I think Samara would start it. She would see the uncertainty in Shepard's eyes, smile, and show him/her that she is ok with it.

[Siansonea]

I have a new topic to discuss. I am going to be playing in a Star Wars tabletop RPG and I am creating a character for it that is heavily based on Samara. The character will even be named Samara, and I am going to incorporate as much of her backstory as I can in the character. The character will be a Twi'lek Jedi in the New Jedi Order era (post-Episode VI). My question for all of you is, what traits are essential to Samara that I must incorporate into the character for her to be a good parallel?

[DOYOURLABS]

Siansonea II wrote...

I have a new topic to discuss. I am going to be playing in a Star Wars tabletop RPG and I am creating a character for it that is heavily based on Samara. The character will even be named Samara, and I am going to incorporate as much of her backstory as I can in the character. The character will be a Twi'lek Jedi in the New Jedi Order era (post-Episode VI). My question for all of you is, what traits are essential to Samara that I must incorporate into the character for her to be a good parallel?

A black and white view of the world and complete devotion are probably the most important.

[The_KFD_Case]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Hey KFD! It's too darn slow in this thread. We need to discuss stuff in here.  Come up with a topic.  I am out of ideas.

Hello Johnny! I'll do my part or at least try to. I'm on and off this forum far more irregularly as of late than I used to be, but I'll continue to make a point of visiting this delightful Samara thread.

Hm. Potential Samara related topics....This is a bit more ME universe related, however it is inspired by Samara and the Justicar order. Would you, any of you, like to see melee combat in ME3 as opposed to just ranged weapons and biotic powers attacks? Given Samara's "monk-like" status what melee weapon(s) and/or martial arts fighting style do you consider most fitting for her?

Modifié par The_KFD_Case, 30 avril 2010 - 01:59 .

[DOYOURLABS]

The_KFD_Case wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Hey KFD! It's too darn slow in this thread. We need to discuss stuff in here.  Come up with a topic.  I am out of ideas.

Hello Johnny! I'll do my part - or try to at least. I'm on and off this forum far more irregularly as of late than I used to be, but I'll continue to make a point of visiting this delightful Samara thread.

Hm. Potential Samara related topics....This is a bit more ME universe related, however it is inspired by Samara and the Justicar order. Would you, any of you, like to see melee combat in ME3 as opposed to just ranged weapons and biotic powers attacks? Given Samara's "monk-like" status what melee weapon(s) and/or martial arts fighting style do you consider most fitting for her?

Meh, not really. I don't think that melee weapons would be that practical in the ME universe, because of the range of weapons. I guess vanguards could maybe use them, but that's probably it.