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[kelmar6821]

Well, unfortunately. Satisfying the most people puts Samara's role kinda low on the totem pole considering the lack of fans like some of the other characters

[7Makaveli]

kelmar6821 wrote...

Well, unfortunately. Satisfying the most people puts Samara's role kinda low on the totem pole considering the lack of fans like some of the other characters

Its a good point. I wasn't on forums after ME1 so I had no idea about the popularity of characters. Even with that though, I think they did what was practical for them in terms of delivering everyone's favorite character, not what was warranted. They didn't have to make Ash/Kaidan bitter, it just seemed to fit with what they planned for this game and wanted to keep them alive. Same with Liara, they didn't need to harden her. The progression for innocent, introverted characters isn't always to become cold and misguided, but it fit enough for them to keep her out of the game. So with whatever practical circumstance they have set up for themselves in the next game, they will probably try to fit these "fringe" characters (Thane, Samara, Grunt, Jack, DLC's) into it for better or worse. You know the saying you can't fit a square into a slot for a circle, that seems to be appropriate analogy. It could come off forced and unrealistic, but we'll have to deal with it.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 04 mai 2010 - 05:50 .

[BlackMetal]

kelmar6821 wrote...

Well, unfortunately. Satisfying the most people puts Samara's role kinda low on the totem pole considering the lack of fans like some of the other characters

Unfortunately this is true,  but i would hope that Bioware notices Samara has fans on this thread.

[royceclemens]

Well, speculation's kinda the fun part. We're smack-dab in the middle of a trilogy and we don't know how it's gonna end. This is the perfect opportunity to unfetter our brains and go wild with theories. And if we get out hopes up, we get out hopes up. Even if they get dashed, our hopes were high, the future used to be bright and that's one hell of a lot better than no hope at all. It's better now than ever will be again. After ME3 it'll only be "Wasn't that great?" or "Didn't that suck?" and then it'll be over.



But going back to Samara, I think the issue is less popularity and more the potential foreshadowing that will be done away with if she's not there. I have the funniest feeling that "the genetic destiny of the asari" is going to come up at some point. Plus, from a storytelling perspective, I see no reason to bring a morally unshakable character in the second act unless you plan on morally shaking them in the third.

[Ashira Shepard]

Popping into the thread momentarily, nice to see activity



-(Mild spoilers for DA)-



But I was playing DA yesterday and got up to the part in Haven where you pass through the gauntlet tests, where you have to answer the riddles of the spirits to pass by safely. Answered one of the ghosts riddles correctly an she said the following-



"I am sorrow and regret - I am a mother weeping bitter tears for the daughter she could not save."



Cue sadface and immediate urge to play ME2...

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

Popping into the thread momentarily, nice to see activity

-(Mild spoilers for DA)-

But I was playing DA yesterday and got up to the part in Haven where you pass through the gauntlet tests, where you have to answer the riddles of the spirits to pass by safely. Answered one of the ghosts riddles correctly an she said the following-

"I am sorrow and regret - I am a mother weeping bitter tears for the daughter she could not save."

Cue sadface and immediate urge to play ME2...

Huh.  Two Bioware games referencing one another?  It wouldn't surprise me.

@royceclemens

Yes, I want to see Samara tested in some way such that it would truly strain her convictions and her dedication to the Code.  Nothing stupid and groan-worthy, like the Reapers attacking a planet and killing everyone, and Samara saying, "Oh, those poor people, I couldn't help them, there truly is no justice in galaxy, I cast off the Code".

No.. that wasn't a ME2 reference.  It was the spirit of Andraste's mother talking about Andraste (who was burned to death... and she couldn't save her).  Although there is a Shepard reference in the deep roads section of the game.

[kelmar6821]

AAAAAHHHHH

I finally got everything up and running with computer and mass effect finally installed again. Just now loading my game and it says last play was 8/4/10. Almost a month with out ME2. Poor Gregory Shepard, you must feel so neglected.

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

No.. that wasn't a ME2 reference.  It was the spirit of Andraste's mother talking about Andraste (who was burned to death... and she couldn't save her).  Although there is a Shepard reference in the deep roads section of the game.

ME2 couldn't be referencing that scene, insofar as the dialogue is similar?

It doesn't feel like it.... well not to me.  It's more just a mother sad about her daughter dying and not being able to do anything about it.  Now the "Dwarf named Shepard" book/scroll you find is a direct reference to the ME universe.

Andraste's mother is just part of the gauntlet portraying human emotion.

[kelmar6821]

Hmm. Went looking through ME2 mods. Stumbled on this.
http://social.biowar...t/2497/#details

edit:

also found this, but i find this one to be poor quality
http://social.biowar...t_media_id=3716

Modifié par kelmar6821, 04 mai 2010 - 03:45 .

[Lotus72]

NICKjnp wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

No.. that wasn't a ME2 reference.  It was the spirit of Andraste's mother talking about Andraste (who was burned to death... and she couldn't save her).  Although there is a Shepard reference in the deep roads section of the game.

ME2 couldn't be referencing that scene, insofar as the dialogue is similar?

It doesn't feel like it.... well not to me.  It's more just a mother sad about her daughter dying and not being able to do anything about it.  Now the "Dwarf named Shepard" book/scroll you find is a direct reference to the ME universe.

Andraste's mother is just part of the gauntlet portraying human emotion.

Now THAT could be an interesting idea: combine plots from DA:O and ME into one joint universe. That would give plenty of possibilities to explore, incl. members of the respective crew being dead in each of the games, being revived in new bodies/transfer of spirits etc. Kind of a multiversum approach. And Samara would certainly fit very well in the DA:O universe. Would also give her statement 'another time - another life ' a whole new meaning  

Besides there were a lot of voice actor cross-overs anyhow... so this would save cost. And perhaps be an incentive to fans of one series to buy the other one as well (if they haven't done so already) .

Modifié par Lotus72, 04 mai 2010 - 04:00 .

[NICKjnp]

kelmar6821 wrote...

Hmm. Went looking through ME2 mods. Stumbled on this.
http://social.biowar...t/2497/#details

edit:

also found this, but i find this one to be poor quality
http://social.biowar...t_media_id=3716

It looks lika a Princess Leia mod.

[kelmar6821]

Ah ha



this one I think i'll actually be using!



http://social.biowar...ect/2025/#files



its truly a shame we can't edit mesh files

[NICKjnp]

kelmar6821 wrote...

Ah ha

this one I think i'll actually be using!

http://social.biowar...ect/2025/#files

its truly a shame we can't edit mesh files

It's too bad that the 360 won't allow us to customize our squadmates armor.

[7Makaveli]

kelmar6821 wrote...

Hmm. Went looking through ME2 mods. Stumbled on this.
http://social.biowar...t/2497/#details

edit:

also found this, but i find this one to be poor quality
http://social.biowar...t_media_id=3716

oh my, those look very similar to the one fanart I posted that looked anime'ish. I won't post it again because it rubbed people the wrong way (no pun intended)

[7Makaveli]

I was thinking the other day about Samara's loyalty mission, and thought how odd the choice making scene was; when Shepard physically goes over and removes Samara/Morinth's hands with his own bare hands. These are two of the most powerful biotics in the universe and Shepard can just go and put their arm over their head and give them an intimidating look? They should be able to blow him away pretty easily, its not like he/she was wearing armor. I guess its supposed to be symbolic, that at that point Samara/Morinth would realize that fighting Shepard and his ally is useless and they just give up. Still I would have liked to have seen Shep do a cool cutscene move.



Thoughts? Comments? Bueller?

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

I thought it was just to distract them, so that the other one can get the edge.  Maybe biotics can't generate multiple mass effect field effects, especially while maintaining a current one.  Maybe Shepard doesn't do anything serious because he doesn't consider the fight to be his?

Yea, I understand that he would want his ally to put the finishing blow, but I thought it was an odd position for a vangaurd or adept to put himself in. And for some reason while I do see Morinth accepting that this is the end, I don't see Samara accepting her fate that easily. I'm sure she's been close to death hundreds of times in her life, she wouldn't be alive if she hadn't figured out how to make it out of certain death scenario's. Either way you look at it, you're taking down a powerful demon, or an elite warrior, Shepard's bare hands can't be that powerful can they?

But yea, I do consider those reasons to be sound.

[kelmar6821]

Biotics channel ezo through their nervous system which is a web throughout the body. I assume that physical body position and movement does actually play a role in the use of biotics. And not only that but Shepard is also cybernetically enhanced as a result of the Lazarus Project. I remember atleast 2 instances where he removes heavy steel I-beams from himself or others.