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[JThompson6577]

Whatcote Park wrote...


To be honest I'm not really against breast or anything, but it just gives others an excuse to fit Samara into the blonde big breast bimbo category. 
I'm quite happy how she is now, although I personally wouldn't mind if she had just a little less boob... maybe, but that's just my point of view and taste rather than anything else.

Really, it's the internet.  They'll find reasons to hate and dismiss anything.  Especially if they see her as a threat to St. Tali the Exhaulted.

[BlackFlameGhost]

I love the fact that she acts like the older women...



BFG likes Older women.



Minus the fact that by far she is one of the best written characters in ME2, second to Thane IMO with Jack and Grunt following.



Sadly Mordin although pure awesomesauce felt like a typical Salarian to me, just a lot more badass.

[enormousmoonboots]

JThompson6577 wrote...

JulianusApostate wrote...

Hey, I liked working with Cerberus and I still found Samara to be one of my favorite characters. I could never pick her daughter, who literally tried to sex me to death moments ago, over her. I don't even understand why it's an option, seeing as you've been trying to kill her, and she would have killed you. Not even a renegade would overlook that. If anything they'd be even more pissed about it.

The only way you could justify it is if you failed a willpower check when she goes into "Embrace Eternity" mode and were hyponotized.

The strange thing is, though, that you need to break free of Morinth's control in order to get the freedom to...choose her? I've never understood that, you'd think that a mind-whammied Shep (which is what you are if you can't make that final P/R check) would be more likely to save Morinth.

Imagine if it were the other way around; if you can't make that final check, Morinth forces you to save her, killing Samara. You then have the Paragon/Renegade option of killing Morinth or recruiting her.

I dig Samara, but I just think it would be such a cool way to do the quest. The only consequence for not being able to break out of Morinth's control is not being able to recruit her, which always struck me as bizarre. The game punishes you with character death for not having a high enough morality score in other places (Jack/Miranda and Tali/Legion fights), why not here?

[Whatcote Park]

JThompson6577 wrote...

Whatcote Park wrote...


To be honest I'm not really against breast or anything, but it just gives others an excuse to fit Samara into the blonde big breast bimbo category. 
I'm quite happy how she is now, although I personally wouldn't mind if she had just a little less boob... maybe, but that's just my point of view and taste rather than anything else.

Really, it's the internet.  They'll find reasons to hate and dismiss anything.  Especially if they see her as a threat to St. Tali the Exhaulted.

I've never understood Tali's popularity. Yeah she's kinda charming, but it ends there in my mind. I don't think that characters like Samara are represented as often but when they do come out, they always steal the show for me just like Midna did from zelda. Now we can only hope that Samara makes a significant appearance in ME3. 

[JThompson6577]

Whatcote Park wrote...

JThompson6577 wrote...

Whatcote Park wrote...


To be honest I'm not really against breast or anything, but it just gives others an excuse to fit Samara into the blonde big breast bimbo category. 
I'm quite happy how she is now, although I personally wouldn't mind if she had just a little less boob... maybe, but that's just my point of view and taste rather than anything else.

Really, it's the internet.  They'll find reasons to hate and dismiss anything.  Especially if they see her as a threat to St. Tali the Exhaulted.

I've never understood Tali's popularity. Yeah she's kinda charming, but it ends there in my mind. I don't think that characters like Samara are represented as often but when they do come out, they always steal the show for me just like Midna did from zelda. Now we can only hope that Samara makes a significant appearance in ME3. 

The great thing about the Asari is that the writers have a great opportunity to put a feminine twist on traditionally male charecters.  Aria, Morinth and Samara are each charecters that would usually be males in a lot of games but because all Asari are "female" you can spin them in a new direction.

[smudboy]

Whatcote Park wrote...
I've never understood Tali's popularity. Yeah she's kinda charming, but it ends there in my mind. I don't think that characters like Samara are represented as often but when they do come out, they always steal the show for me just like Midna did from zelda. Now we can only hope that Samara makes a significant appearance in ME3. 

I always liked the conversations in ME1 with her, learning about her mysterious culture.  In ME2, we got to visit that culture first hand in a very private, very serious situation.  Tali got 2-3x more dialog than any other character.

The way I read Samara pre-release was she was some kind of Asari re-programmable servant that would do my bidding, whatever that was, and would essentially be a Shepard-copy.  Although as interesting as that would've been, the tragic wandering-monk character is simple and good, too.

[Flamewielder]

Dominus5412 wrote...

"do any of you believe Samara will receive a romance in ME3 on par with
the best in the trilogy so far? and if so, how will it happen?"

I hope she does, but I'm having a hard time actually believing she will.

I doubt even Bioware could manage to fit a Samara-Shepard romance, that would potentially take decades to unfold, in the limited timespan of a video game...

I've touched on this subject on a previous post in this thread so I won't bore you by repeating myself.

I think it would be a great love story, I just don't think it could happen in the short time period covered by the game (i.e. a couple of weeks from the characters' perspective). Samara has to grieve the loss of her beloved Morinth, and grieving takes time. Some of it she'll need to spend alone, some of which she'll want to spend with someone like Shepard.

Any romantic involvement between Shepard and Samara would be slow in building, a slow communion of the souls rather than the fiery emotional enkindling of the other romances. Liara is a young maiden and was already intrigued by Shepard's knowledge of the Proteans, she falls for him faster than might be considered usual for asari. The other romances are unsurprisingly quick to unfold, short life-spans, hormones and likely impending death helping them along...

But I'm glad Samara was not a romanceable character for ME2. It forced the writers to deliver a character that could be appealing WITHOUT the romance/sex, and I think it worked, as the poll seems to show: Samara's the 3rd most popular character when players are asked who their Shepard's closest friend is (behind obvious favorites Garrus and Tali).

Not bad, for a character introduced only halfway through ME2!

[Weiser_Cain]

What's with all this Tali bashing now?

Modifié par Weiser_Cain, 25 mars 2010 - 01:41 .

[Flamewielder]

JThompson6577 wrote...

Whatcote Park wrote...


To be honest I'm not really against breast or anything, but it just gives others an excuse to fit Samara into the blonde big breast bimbo category. 
I'm quite happy how she is now, although I personally wouldn't mind if she had just a little less boob... maybe, but that's just my point of view and taste rather than anything else.

Really, it's the internet.  They'll find reasons to hate and dismiss anything.  Especially if they see her as a threat to St. Tali the Exhaulted.

And really... are any of us Samara fans asking for Tali to get a HIPS reduction?  I guess we're just interested in the whole character, rather than obsessing over a single feature (however attractive that feature might be)...

[RenownedRyan]

I think it's quite possible that Samara will be back for ME3, since she wasn't a love interest in ME2.

[JThompson6577]

Flamewielder wrote...

Dominus5412 wrote...

"do any of you believe Samara will receive a romance in ME3 on par with
the best in the trilogy so far? and if so, how will it happen?"

I hope she does, but I'm having a hard time actually believing she will.

I doubt even Bioware could manage to fit a Samara-Shepard romance, that would potentially take decades to unfold, in the limited timespan of a video game...

I've touched on this subject on a previous post in this thread so I won't bore you by repeating myself.

I think it would be a great love story, I just don't think it could happen in the short time period covered by the game (i.e. a couple of weeks from the characters' perspective). Samara has to grieve the loss of her beloved Morinth, and grieving takes time. Some of it she'll need to spend alone, some of which she'll want to spend with someone like Shepard.

Any romantic involvement between Shepard and Samara would be slow in building, a slow communion of the souls rather than the fiery emotional enkindling of the other romances. Liara is a young maiden and was already intrigued by Shepard's knowledge of the Proteans, she falls for him faster than might be considered usual for asari. The other romances are unsurprisingly quick to unfold, short life-spans, hormones and likely impending death helping them along...

But I'm glad Samara was not a romanceable character for ME2. It forced the writers to deliver a character that could be appealing WITHOUT the romance/sex, and I think it worked, as the poll seems to show: Samara's the 3rd most popular character when players are asked who their Shepard's closest friend is (behind obvious favorites Garrus and Tali).

Not bad, for a character introduced only halfway through ME2!

Solid argument.  Allow me to rebut.  I think if you were prone to romancing Samara you probably took that route in ME 2.  That being the case, you got the almost kiss.  You could argue that a Shep/Sam romance in ME 3 would simply be the continuation of the Shep/Sam romance in ME 2.  Both have established affection for each other and both respect each other.  It could still be the slow and satisfying build these two deserve.

[Flamewielder]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

What's with all this Tali bashing now?

Nothing wrong with her... some of her fans may, however, be taking appreciation beyond what's considered ususal for a well-written video game character...

[JThompson6577]

Flamewielder wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

What's with all this Tali bashing now?

Nothing wrong with her... some of her fans may, however, be taking appreciation beyond what's considered ususal for a well-written video game character...

I have nothing against Tali, but the Tali-ban has really poisoned me to the character.

[Kudara]

yorkj86 wrote...

devilsgrin wrote...

i feel its like the bond of those who have to make the harder decisions, who's actions shape the fates of millions, billions even. Shep has a very impressive resume, Samara's is longer and very nearly as impressive over-all, if not moreso.

Though, before ME2, Samara never had the opportunity to ****** off a race of ancient mecha-gods.  Now, thanks to Shepard, Samara can add that to her list of accomplishments.

You know I honestly think of this as one of my Shep's greatest accomplishments

[Kudara]

AshiraShepard wrote...

You never know, the Reapers might just say their version of "screw it" and go after the whole team as well as Shepard in ME3. We'll just have to wait and see what happens >

Okay, used an editor and made it so that Samara was Morinth, purely because of curiosity, and that this way skipped the whole betrayal/killing-Samara scene. Talked to her a little, and I'm fairly sure it's safe to take anything Morinth says with a grain (not a pinch) of salt.

If you ask about Samara, she tells you that she was a terrible mother and elaborates on that; I wanted to jump in and defend her :< Not everyone knows what to do or how to do it; even my own mother would admit that she didn't do a lot of things right, but I still love her; I know she loves me and she never hurt me, at all.

Maybe over-reacting, but the comment stung me and made me feel very protective of Samara :< Suffice to say, I "fixed" the henchmen flag and Samara returned. No more Morinth. Not ever. =P

If Mornith is the youngest it makes sense that she might have gotten more of the duty and responsibility speeches than her two older sisters.  The eldest got to grow up without the shadow of her genetic disease hanging over her.  The next two, depending on how far apart Samara had them, did not.

Not saying that Samara was a bad mother, just that knowing that her youngest daugher had that probaby did change how she treated her and how hard she pushed her.

Modifié par Kudara, 25 mars 2010 - 01:58 .

[Flamewielder]

JThompson6577 wrote...
Solid argument.  Allow me to rebut.  I think if you were prone to romancing Samara you probably took that route in ME 2.  That being the case, you got the almost kiss.  You could argue that a Shep/Sam romance in ME 3 would simply be the continuation of the Shep/Sam romance in ME 2.  Both have established affection for each other and both respect each other.  It could still be the slow and satisfying build these two deserve.

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'd be very happy if they paced it right in ME3...

Not that it would matter to my main Shepard, who's still holding a torch for Ash!  But he was intrigued enough to inquire about Justicars and romantic involvement. Samara beamed a smile, pleased by the implied interest but made it clear she couldn't allow herself such involvement and my Shepard left it at that.

My Shepard's a sucker for the female warrior types, I guess...

[Ashira Shepard]

I did think that; since if Morinth was the youngest, by that time Samara might have tried to remove herself emotionally. Avoid the pain even though it didn't really do much to help.

Ah, tragic backstory :'(

Loving you guys right now, you're putting it all into better words than I could manage. You're awesome 

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 25 mars 2010 - 02:04 .

[Kudara]

JulianusApostate wrote...

JThompson6577 wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

Yeah, I've heard the hypocrite arguement plenty of times as well; I end up rolling my eyes and making a swift exit of whatever thread its in.

Maybe the "Renegade" option could've been killing Morinth yourself? Just a thought, if they so desperately wanted to include a paragon/renegade choice there.

In a weird way, I kinda think greasing Morinth yourself would be mega-Paragon. I mean you do to spare Samara the pain of ending her daughter's life.  Don't you think?

It must be painful sure, but I get the feeling she'd be pissed if you did. I mean, she just spent centuries chasing her down, she gave her whole life to the code and devoted herself to bringing justice to 'her mistake'. Here comes some 30 year old who does it no-problem. It's hard to say, really.

I think it would depend on your reasons why.  If you were openly doing it to spare her the pain of killing her daughter i think she would be pissed but another part of her would probably understand.  And of course, it would depend on what the Code has to say about someone stepping in and killing a Justicars target.

[JThompson6577]

Flamewielder wrote...

JThompson6577 wrote...
Solid argument.  Allow me to rebut.  I think if you were prone to romancing Samara you probably took that route in ME 2.  That being the case, you got the almost kiss.  You could argue that a Shep/Sam romance in ME 3 would simply be the continuation of the Shep/Sam romance in ME 2.  Both have established affection for each other and both respect each other.  It could still be the slow and satisfying build these two deserve.

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'd be very happy if they paced it right in ME3...

Not that it would matter to my main Shepard, who's still holding a torch for Ash!  But he was intrigued enough to inquire about Justicars and romantic involvement. Samara beamed a smile, pleased by the implied interest but made it clear she couldn't allow herself such involvement and my Shepard left it at that.

My Shepard's a sucker for the female warrior types, I guess...

My Canon Shepard was the one I beat the game on Insanity with and as it turns out he seems to have a thing for Asari.  He slept with the Consort, romanced Liara, talked a lot with Aria and got the "Almost kiss" from Samara.  He needs a T-Shirt that says something like "Once you go Blue, that's all you'll do."

[JThompson6577]

JThompson6577 wrote...

My Canon Shepard was the one I beat the game on Insanity with and as it turns out he seems to have a thing for Asari.  He slept with the Consort, romanced Liara, talked a lot with Aria and got the "Almost kiss" from Samara.  He needs a T-Shirt that says something like "Once you go Blue, that's all you'll do."

In fact that Shepard should have a "How you doin'?" dialogue option with the Asari Councilor.

[Ashira Shepard]

Friends fan! *dramatic point of accusation*



It not...then I'll just go to sleep now, I need it anyway.

[JThompson6577]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Friends fan! *dramatic point of accusation*

It not...then I'll just go to sleep now, I need it anyway.

Oh no!

You've discovered my terrible secret!

[kelmar6821]

kelmar6821 wrote...



Heeeyyy, how ya dooiinn?

[BlackMetal]

Who here thinks that ME 3 will pull of the Samara Romance option that will not be cheesy?

[7Makaveli]

BlackMetal wrote...

Who here thinks that ME 3 will pull of the Samara Romance option that will not be cheesy?

*raises hand*

I am quite enamored by this mystical warrior. Her romance should be very intricate and hard to achieve, to give realism. You as a player should have to make certain sacrifices too in order to be with her, it can't just be her having to change her lifestyle. I like how its developed so far, with it being just an acknowledgement of a mutual attraction but Samara not willing to jump in so quickly. It leaves it open just a tad bit for something really special to happen. *crosses fingers*

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 25 mars 2010 - 03:34 .