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[7Makaveli]

Collider wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Do you think Morinth matched Samara's biotic powers because it's genetic, she fine tuned her skills, or she absorbed the biotic power of some of her victims?

All three of those. There's little doubt that her powers are augmented through the killing of her victims.

You could also argue that she probably doesn't prefer combat anyway, choosing to instead lure her victims into her embrace. She probably got lazy over time and revelled in her little seductive pursuits. Samara on the other hand probably went head to head with some of the finest mercenary rings and such, eventually becoming a beast. I guess you could say that Morinth is the tank, due to building up her health for so long, while Samara is the lethal weapon, who's honed her skills to perfection.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 15 mai 2010 - 04:19 .

[Collider]

adriano_c wrote...

Collider wrote...

There's little doubt that her powers are augmented through the killing of her victims.

Is this in the codex or something?

Fairly certain (it's also on the Mass Effect wiki). It makes sense in context that Morinth prefers the artsy and talented people to kill. I assume those of more finesse or grace or something similar make her smarter and more powerful than more average people.

[Pacifien]

It didn't occur to me that it isn't until after Morinth said she was the genetic destiny of the Asari that Samara points out Ardat Yakshi are sterile. For some reason, I had made the assumption they were sterile, probably because I couldn't picture a successful mating if the other person ended up dead. I mean, yeah, I could have thought about black widows and praying mantis, but my mind didn't go there, so Samara's clarification of their sterility didn't surprise me.

But it might have been interesting if Ardat Yakshi weren't sterile. Then imagine the cult that could have formed around the Ardat Yakshi as they mated with aliens to gain the genetic diversity while making the Asari even stronger. Samara's task would have been incredibly volatile beyond the simple cat and mouse.

Modifié par Pacifien, 15 mai 2010 - 04:21 .

[Collider]

7Makaveli wrote...

Collider wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Do you think Morinth matched Samara's biotic powers because it's genetic, she fine tuned her skills, or she absorbed the biotic power of some of her victims?

All three of those. There's little doubt that her powers are augmented through the killing of her victims.

You could also argue that she probably doesn't prefer combat anyway, choosing to instead lure her victims into her embrace. She probably got lazy over time and revelled in her little seductive pursuits. Samara on the other hand probably went head to head with some of the finest mercenary rings and such, eventually becoming a beast. I guess you could say that Morinth is the tank, due to building up her health for so long, while Samara is the lethal weapon, who's honed her skills to perfection.

There's absolutely no doubting of that. I agree 100% - Morinth's power was from the consumption of her victims. Samara's power was from meditation, training, and experience. There's a theory that Morinth consumed so many people partly because she wanted to be ready in case Samara tracked her down - without the power gained from her killings Morinth would be probably be a ragdoll to Samara.

[adriano_c]

yorkj86 wrote...

"The asari becomes smarter, stronger and deadlier after each 'mating'." (http://masseffect.wi...ki/Ardat-Yakshi)

More reason to like Morinth!

[7Makaveli]

Pacifien wrote...

It didn't occur to me that it isn't until after Morinth said she was the genetic destiny of the Asari that Samara points out Ardat Yakshi are sterile. For some reason, I had made the assumption they were sterile, probably because I couldn't picture a successful mating if the other person ended up dead. I mean, yeah, I could have thought about black widows and praying mantis, but my mind didn't go there, so Samara's clarification of their sterility didn't surprise me.

But it might have been interesting if Ardat Yakshi weren't sterile. Then imagine the cult that could have formed around the Ardat Yakshi as they mated with aliens to gain the genetic diversity while making the Asari even stronger. Samara's task would have been incredibly volatile beyond the simple cat and mouse.

Then not only would I be scared lol, but the renegade choice of picking her would make a lot more sense. Say what you want about how evil the Ardat Yakshi seem, they are potentially the most powerful organics if they make it to say a matriarch stage of their life. And then combine that with the fact that they can reproduce? One hell of a monster.

I would still choose Samara every single time

[Collider]

Pacifien wrote...

It didn't occur to me that it isn't until after Morinth said she was the genetic destiny of the Asari that Samara points out Ardat Yakshi are sterile. For some reason, I had made the assumption they were sterile, probably because I couldn't picture a successful mating if the other person ended up dead. I mean, yeah, I could have thought about black widows and praying mantis, but my mind didn't go there, so Samara's clarification of their sterility didn't surprise me.

But it might have been interesting if Ardat Yakshi weren't sterile. Then imagine the cult that could have formed around the Ardat Yakshi as they mated with aliens to gain the genetic diversity while making the Asari even stronger. Samara's task would have been incredibly volatile beyond the simple cat and mouse.

Morinth's comment is rather strange. Unless Morinth is living in lala land, she should know that whoever she mates with is killed. But then again - reconsidering the whole thing - the galactic civilization may be advanced enough for genetic material from Ardat-Yakshi's to be used for reproduction without the mind killing thing.

[7Makaveli]

adriano_c wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

"The asari becomes smarter, stronger and deadlier after each 'mating'." (http://masseffect.wi...ki/Ardat-Yakshi)

A reason to like Morinth!

fixed , just kiddin I think she's a lil cool, in her own wierd way

[Collider]

adriano_c wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

"The asari becomes smarter, stronger and deadlier after each 'mating'." (http://masseffect.wi...ki/Ardat-Yakshi)

More reason to like Morinth!

[7Makaveli]

Collider wrote...

There's absolutely no doubting of that. I agree 100% - Morinth's power was from the consumption of her victims. Samara's power was from meditation, training, and experience. There's a theory that Morinth consumed so many people partly because she wanted to be ready in case Samara tracked her down - without the power gained from her killings Morinth would be probably be a ragdoll to Samara.

I just realized that maybe this was the reason she didn't run this time in Omega. She got cocky you know? She felt she was ready to stand up to her mother, and didn't cover her bases and have excape plans. Even when she knew she was caught red handed she knew she could handle her, or stand up enough to bide time. Too bad her fate hangs in the balance of a person who she just tried to kill a minute ago lol.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 15 mai 2010 - 04:31 .

[Collider]

yorkj86 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Morinth's comment is rather strange. Unless Morinth is living in lala land, she should know that whoever she mates with is killed. But then again - reconsidering the whole thing - the galactic civilization may be advanced enough for genetic material from Ardat-Yakshi's to be used for reproduction without the mind killing thing.

Genetic engineering is largely illegal within Citadel species space.  Maybe there's an AY cult somewhere with significant resources operating genetic engineering operations outside of Citadel species space,

Yep - that's what I had in mind. Something shadowy. Though Morinth is still deluded if she thinks the AY are the destiny of the asari.

[7Makaveli]

Collider wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

It didn't occur to me that it isn't until after Morinth said she was the genetic destiny of the Asari that Samara points out Ardat Yakshi are sterile. For some reason, I had made the assumption they were sterile, probably because I couldn't picture a successful mating if the other person ended up dead. I mean, yeah, I could have thought about black widows and praying mantis, but my mind didn't go there, so Samara's clarification of their sterility didn't surprise me.

But it might have been interesting if Ardat Yakshi weren't sterile. Then imagine the cult that could have formed around the Ardat Yakshi as they mated with aliens to gain the genetic diversity while making the Asari even stronger. Samara's task would have been incredibly volatile beyond the simple cat and mouse.

Morinth's comment is rather strange. Unless Morinth is living in lala land, she should know that whoever she mates with is killed. But then again - reconsidering the whole thing - the galactic civilization may be advanced enough for genetic material from Ardat-Yakshi's to be used for reproduction without the mind killing thing.

There is really only three Ardat Yakshi known in existence tho. Another silly thing Bioware did, why couldn't they just have said there are an unknown number of AY, some say they are disguised in high powered places in Asari society lol. Have some kind of illuminati/freemason type lore about them. But no, give poor Samara all the AY babies <_<

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 15 mai 2010 - 04:34 .

[Collider]

7Makaveli wrote...

Collider wrote...

There's absolutely no doubting of that. I agree 100% - Morinth's power was from the consumption of her victims. Samara's power was from meditation, training, and experience. There's a theory that Morinth consumed so many people partly because she wanted to be ready in case Samara tracked her down - without the power gained from her killings Morinth would be probably be a ragdoll to Samara.

I just realized that maybe this was the reason she didn't run this time in Omega. She got cocky you know?

Oh yea, no doubt. Morinth herself is a narcissist - even going to so far as calling herself the genetic destiny of the Asari. 

She felt she was ready to stand up to her mother, and didn't cover her bases and have excape plans. Even when she knew she was caught red handed she knew she could handle her, or stand up enough to bide time. Too bad her fate hangs in the balance of a person who she just tried to kill a minute ago lol.

Yea...bad call Morinth, bad call! Of course I always have Samara kill Morinth. It's very satisfying.

[Pacifien]

I wonder if Ardat-Yakshi are sterile because an Asari has to go through a complete melding experience in order to reproduce, and the death of one's partner prohibits that completeness.



Wonder if there is a biological change that an Asari must experience that allows her to reproduce, much like human female ovulation, or if they can just decide they will have a baby and make it happen at any time.

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
"The asari becomes smarter, stronger and deadlier after each 'mating'." (http://masseffect.wi...ki/Ardat-Yakshi)

Got Day of the Tentacle going through my brain.

Green Tentacle: I wouldn't drink that. That looks bad for you.
Purple Tentacle: Nonsense! I feel great! Smarter! More aggressive! I feel.... like I can TAKE ON THE WORLD!

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

Then not only would I be scared lol, but the renegade choice of picking her would make a lot more sense. Say what you want about how evil the Ardat Yakshi seem, they are potentially the most powerful organics if they make it to say a matriarch stage of their life. And then combine that with the fact that they can reproduce? One hell of a monster.

I would still choose Samara every single time

Considering that their power is reliant upon murder, and that they become addicted to the mind-joining...unless for some reason (and I can't think of the reason) fertile AY are the only way to stop the Reapers, my Shepard wouldn't be willing to take that risk.

[Collider]

Agree with york. Supporting powerhouses addicted to killing is kind of asking for something to backfire.

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

There is really only three Ardat Yakshi known in existence tho. Another silly thing Bioware did, why couldn't they just have said there are an unknown number of AY, some say they are disguised in high powered places in Asari society lol. Have some kind of illuminati/freemason type lore about them. But no, give poor Samara all the AY babies <_<

1% of Asari are on the AY spectrum.  We don't know what that means, but there are likely more than just the three.

The question is would they congregate though. I would think the AY mentality would be individualistic amd anarchist which would decrease their viability. I don't know what keeps them going, I mean getting stronger is kind of a dull goal if you are not into mercing. It is probably the addiction to the small physical pleasure they get from it to which becomes a bottomless pit. Kinda went on a tanget there, but yea even Samara guesses there are more AY around. I wonder if we'll revisit this topic in ME3 or will it be buried.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 15 mai 2010 - 04:46 .