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[BlackMetal]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Well I finished my ME2 default Vanguard playthough with Morinth. I had 5 loyal members and didn't activate legion and only 2 members died. Not too bad at all considering I cut it quite short.

Did you cut it short because of boredom or just being lazy?

[BlackMetal]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Well I finished my ME2 default Vanguard playthough with Morinth. I had 5 loyal members and didn't activate legion and only 2 members died. Not too bad at all considering I cut it quite short.

Did you cut it short because of boredom or just being lazy?

I had never cut the game short before, so I kinda wanted to see what happened.  Also, it was a default ME2 Shep, not an import from ME1 or NG+.  So it had all of the renegade decisions in the game made for me.  Everyone was dead. Urdnot Wreave had a decent VA, but he is a bit of a diabolical Krogan Clan leader.

Yeah the first two ME 2 playthroughs i did were non-imports, and i don't like them. I like all the little extras you get for importing your ME 1 character and i also hate it how everyone hates you if you don't save the council, so i always save them.

[Kudara]

You dog...



I always save the Council, there's gotta be some point I can stuff the truth down the turian's gullet.

[Pacifien]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Well I finished my ME2 default Vanguard playthough with Morinth. I had 5 loyal members and didn't activate legion and only 2 members died. Not too bad at all considering I cut it quite short.

You fool! Now the heretics will set forth their plan to rewrite all geth and increase their numbers tenfold!

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...
Yeah the first two ME 2 playthroughs i did were non-imports, and i don't like them. I like all the little extras you get for importing your ME 1 character and i also hate it how everyone hates you if you don't save the council, so i always save them.

I chose the neutral option in my ME1 imports regarding the council.  If I could romance the Asari councilor, then I would have let the council live.

I'm actually going to start up a default playthrough.  I'm thinking either an Infiltrator or Engineer.  I haven't made up my mind yet though

Modifié par NICKjnp, 19 mai 2010 - 08:38 .

[7Makaveli]

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Justicar...







http://samara-the-ju...t.com/#/d2prvgp





http://samara-the-ju...138838#/d2plxim





so whats happenin' fellas

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

Interesting topic in the Jack thread: What method would each teammate use in delivering the killing blow?

I thought that Samara would deliver a massive killing blow that might not be clean, but it would be merciful (instant death, no pain).

My evidence was the the method Samara uses to kill Morinth that causes even Shepard to recoil, and Shepard's probably seen some funky wounds in his lifetime.

Thoughts on Samara's methods?

Instant sin. Instant judgement. Instant action. Instant SPLAT!

[7Makaveli]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...
Yeah the first two ME 2 playthroughs i did were non-imports, and i don't like them. I like all the little extras you get for importing your ME 1 character and i also hate it how everyone hates you if you don't save the council, so i always save them.

I chose the neutral option in my ME1 imports regarding the council.  If I could romance the Asari councilor, then I would have let the council live.

Sacred Asawi councillor is sacred

[Pacifien]

Part of her Justicar training probably goes over 500 different methods of creating instant death. Not as an act of mercy, but for simple efficiency. It's not the act of the killing that brings about justice, but the death itself.

Samara probably wouldn't give it much mind if the death somehow came about more slowly, but I think she'd berate herself for the lack of efficiency in having to spend more time on it.

[7Makaveli]

Pacifien wrote...

Part of her Justicar training probably goes over 500 different methods of creating instant death. Not as an act of mercy, but for simple efficiency. It's not the act of the killing that brings about justice, but the death itself.
Samara probably wouldn't give it much mind if the death somehow came about more slowly, but I think she'd berate herself for the lack of efficiency in having to spend more time on it.

I gather she prefers the up close execution method, just because of the nature of her work. She wants to ensure proper attention to detail, and give the person a respectable disposition of being killed at the hands of a Justicar. I wouldn't see her doing something like, setting off a nearby explosion that kills someone in the process, unless it is necessery. The blow to the head seemed to be ideal, or maybe that was just for Morinth, just to give her the attention. The Eclipse merc was just in her way, so she just stepped on her lol.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 19 mai 2010 - 08:28 .

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Part of her Justicar training probably goes over 500 different methods of creating instant death. Not as an act of mercy, but for simple efficiency. It's not the act of the killing that brings about justice, but the death itself.
Samara probably wouldn't give it much mind if the death somehow came about more slowly, but I think she'd berate herself for the lack of efficiency in having to spend more time on it.

Samara seems to have an objection to any unneccessary pain being inflicted in combat, as she makes remarks along those lines about the Varren pit-fighting on Tuchanka.  That's not exactly the same situation, but the emphasis on unnecessary pain is there.

I'm not so sure it follows that pain before death somehow serves the notion of justice if the act of justice is truly about the death itself.

While I agree that is how they were trying to depict her, you can argue that tossing the Eclipse merc around like a rag doll was excessive. At some point Samara must have realized she wasn't going to get anything out of her. Actually maybe that was an instance of her desparation. How odd that our initial meeting with Samara may have been an instance where she was using more extreme methods than usual to extract information. Granted it was for her one true cause, but dragging it to that point shows revealed more about her situation and context than her character.

[Pacifien]

Well, I think Samara objects to fighting that isn't about justice or saving lives. Hence the comment about the varrens.

But say there was a misstep in her attempt to kill a particular target and that target were in immense prolonged pain. She'd berate herself for the poor attempt, but not necessarily feel any more sorrow for that person's death than she does any other that she's killed as a Justicar.

[7Makaveli]

Hmm have we opened up a whole nother can of worms about the topic of torture for information extracting methods?



You decide.

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...
Yeah the first two ME 2 playthroughs i did were non-imports, and i don't like them. I like all the little extras you get for importing your ME 1 character and i also hate it how everyone hates you if you don't save the council, so i always save them.

I chose the neutral option in my ME1 imports regarding the council.  If I could romance the Asari councilor, then I would have let the council live.

I'm actually going to start up a default playthrough.  I'm thinking either an Infiltrator or Engineer.  I haven't made up my mind yet though

You should try em out.  I like the Engineer better than the Infiltrator myself.

What bonus power would you suggest for an engineer (or infiltrator)?

[Pacifien]

NICKjnp wrote...
What bonus power would you suggest for an engineer (or infiltrator)?

As an Infiltrator, I took Energy Drain. Then it was Incineration for armor and Energy Drain for shields.

As an Engineer, Dominate has a nice symmetry with AI Hacking. But if you want to avoid biotic abilities for nonbiotic classes, then Geth Shield Boost for extra protection.

[Pacifien]

7Makaveli wrote...
Hmm have we opened up a whole nother can of worms about the topic of torture for information extracting methods?

You decide.

Doubt Samara would bother. Tell her or die.

All the squadmates have something to say about torture when you pass the Blue Suns mercenary beating up on a prisoner on Purgatory. I usually have Zaeed with me at that point, and he makes one of my more favorite quotes of the game. "No one walks away from torture unchanged. Not the tortured. Not the torturer."

[7Makaveli]

Pacifien wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...
Hmm have we opened up a whole nother can of worms about the topic of torture for information extracting methods?

You decide.

Doubt Samara would bother. Tell her or die.

All the squadmates have something to say about torture when you pass the Blue Suns mercenary beating up on a prisoner on Purgatory. I usually have Zaeed with me at that point, and he makes one of my more favorite quotes of the game. "No one walks away from torture unchanged. Not the tortured. Not the torturer."

It is a fascinating topic, and one I'm glad they took a little stab at on Purgatory with all the characters. But I somehow doubt the credibility of the characters "opinionating" at that point, because Torture is one of those things that most people cannot really put in perspective and context. I guess what I'm trying to say is that people can't seperate emotion from reality sometimes and while morally looking at it from afar, may say one thing, but could quite possible do the opposite when placed in a certain situation. We saw how Samara went about it initially, though I'm not saying she was "torturing" per se, but there was a method to her madness. Eh...?

Looking back at it though, it was probably nothing more than the usual sensationalizing they did with all the characters in their initial presentation. (I'm referring to when she throws the Eclipse out the window...)

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 19 mai 2010 - 08:59 .

[Panda Warlock]

Pacifien wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...
Hmm have we opened up a whole nother can of worms about the topic of torture for information extracting methods?

You decide.

Doubt Samara would bother. Tell her or die.

All the squadmates have something to say about torture when you pass the Blue Suns mercenary beating up on a prisoner on Purgatory. I usually have Zaeed with me at that point, and he makes one of my more favorite quotes of the game. "No one walks away from torture unchanged. Not the tortured. Not the torturer."

My guess is, that her Code has a line for this. Something like "Death should be swift if possible. Avoid unnecessary suffering dealt to those you punish"
And of course this leaves a whole world of interpretation when it is necessary to bring some pain. Samara wad pretty much trying to force some information out of the merc when we first meet her. Both by fear and pain. This is some kind of fast and primitive torture used in the name of justice.