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[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

Collider wrote...

The problem with Tuchanka is that it liked the sense of scale that I would have wanted from a planet that's supposed to be completely covered in ruins.

On the other hand, killing Pyjaks was totally worth it <_<

There should have been a boss battle with a big Pyjak

/sarcasm

I didn't find out about that mission until after I had stopped playing ME2.  Where do you get it?

From the merchant where you find Urz.

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

Collider wrote...

The problem with Tuchanka is that it liked the sense of scale that I would have wanted from a planet that's supposed to be completely covered in ruins.

On the other hand, killing Pyjaks was totally worth it <_<

There should have been a boss battle with a big Pyjak

/sarcasm

I didn't find out about that mission until after I had stopped playing ME2.  Where do you get it?

talk to the shopkeeper than go on the shooting range next to the Scout, its kind of on a lower level in the middle area. I almost missed it.

[7Makaveli]

Ok here's another to chew on. We clearly all want Samara back, but haven't really considered a character expansion for her aside from a possibility of being a LI, which I've all but ruled out at this point. So if she does come back in the context of a squadmate, and is not a LI, what kind of role would you want her to take? There is going to be a conversational narrative for her as there is for any squadmate, can we speculate as to the nature of these using some static elements from ME2? Or is it going to have to be an extrapolation to the extent they did with Garrus, where they really built him up into something. Ironically it didn't lead to enough conversation but you get I mean.



Thoughts? Comments? Bueller?

[Collider]

She can't have an integral role and it's hard to see her as having one anyway. Unless she has something to do with the Asari, maybe persuading some officials and in the process helping Shepard. That's probably the route they should take. Other than that, make her a squad mate and have her develop just as any other character, with conversations etc. I don't know as to how much development that will entail, that's up to Bioware really and I don't want know what fellow Samara fans want for her in terms of development.

[NICKjnp]

7Makaveli wrote...

Ok here's another to chew on. We clearly all want Samara back, but haven't really considered a character expansion for her aside from a possibility of being a LI, which I've all but ruled out at this point. So if she does come back in the context of a squadmate, and is not a LI, what kind of role would you want her to take? There is going to be a conversational narrative for her as there is for any squadmate, can we speculate as to the nature of these using some static elements from ME2? Or is it going to have to be an extrapolation to the extent they did with Garrus, where they really built him up into something. Ironically it didn't lead to enough conversation but you get I mean.

Thoughts? Comments? Bueller?

I don't think it will be anything like "rescuing" her like they did with Garrus.  I think it will be more like her wishing to assist you in stopping the Reapers (unless you were renegade or chose Morinth.... then you are screwed).

[7Makaveli]

hmm I should clarify a little, I don't mean what role in the arbitrary purpose of the story, but as a relationship to Shepard what could she represent? Actually now that I think about it there is only like four characters that aren't romance options that Shepard can get to know. Mordin sort of becomes that advisor type, Shep roughly is Grunts mentor, Legions director, etc. Yeh, there is actually little use in speculating this, maybe someone has some ideas in terms of a platonic relationship with Samara, how it could form.

[Collider]

The role of adviser and mentor would do fine. Or sort of the "hand" of Paragon Shepard, or Shepard's second - just as she swore allegiance to him.

[7Makaveli]

NICKjnp wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

Ok here's another to chew on. We clearly all want Samara back, but haven't really considered a character expansion for her aside from a possibility of being a LI, which I've all but ruled out at this point. So if she does come back in the context of a squadmate, and is not a LI, what kind of role would you want her to take? There is going to be a conversational narrative for her as there is for any squadmate, can we speculate as to the nature of these using some static elements from ME2? Or is it going to have to be an extrapolation to the extent they did with Garrus, where they really built him up into something. Ironically it didn't lead to enough conversation but you get I mean.

Thoughts? Comments? Bueller?

I don't think it will be anything like "rescuing" her like they did with Garrus.  I think it will be more like her wishing to assist you in stopping the Reapers (unless you were renegade or chose Morinth.... then you are screwed).

It goes back to what she said about Omega, but it might be too similar to what Garrus started over there, although I'm sure she would work alone. But yes to the main storyline I hope most of the squad is in line with trying to help Shepard stop the Reaper threat. Its really about the timeline too, where it picks up. Would some of these characters have enough time to establish themselves somewhere else, and then quickly change gears in a realistic sense when Shep comes calling?

[7Makaveli]

Collider wrote...

The role of adviser and mentor would do fine. Or sort of the "hand" of Paragon Shepard, or Shepard's second - just as she swore allegiance to him.

What could the central narrative be about? Would Samara try to lean Shep towards her own beliefs or The Code? Would she advise on all matters and then react differently towards you depending on what actions you take? That could be an interesting scenario.

[Collider]

7Makaveli wrote...

Collider wrote...

The role of adviser and mentor would do fine. Or sort of the "hand" of Paragon Shepard, or Shepard's second - just as she swore allegiance to him.

What could the central narrative be about?

I can't say for certain as we don't know the plot of the third game aside from that we're (hopefully) taking down the Reapers. I'd like for her to give her input on Shepard's actions. We need more of that from squad mates in general.

Would Samara try to lean Shep towards her own beliefs or The Code?

Aren't Samara's beliefs in line with the Code already?

[7Makaveli]

Collider wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

Collider wrote...

The role of adviser and mentor would do fine. Or sort of the "hand" of Paragon Shepard, or Shepard's second - just as she swore allegiance to him.

What could the central narrative be about?

I can't say for certain as we don't know the plot of the third game aside from that we're (hopefully) taking down the Reapers. I'd like for her to give her input on Shepard's actions. We need more of that from squad mates in general.

Would Samara try to lean Shep towards her own beliefs or The Code?

Aren't Samara's beliefs in line with the Code already?

We had a discussion a while back and decided that while subjecting her actions to Lawful Neutral, her intentions were Lawful Good. I can't recall the justificatin for this but I think that's where we ended with that. So there is potential for that kind of conflict with her character. But ultimately as we can see her judgment is aligned with the Code in ME2.

[BlackMetal]

I think Samara's only option for development is through an LI, because i think if she's not made an LI, she will be getting the ME 1 squad treatment.

[NICKjnp]

finaly some activity... and also

@BlackMetal



Yeah... that is why I did my ME1 playthrough that had no romances... just in case (and I didn't want the drama for romancing others).

[AKFTF]

If she isn't taken down the LI route, then I could see a mentor role for her. Personally, I hope they emphasize the equality between Samara and Shepard. It's something unique they have, so they should develop it.

[BlackMetal]

AKFTF wrote...

If she isn't taken down the LI route, then I could see a mentor role for her. Personally, I hope they emphasize the equality between Samara and Shepard. It's something unique they have, so they should develop it.

Im not saying she doesn't have the option for other roles, im just saying what Bioware will probably do with her. So that's one of the reasons that i support her being an LI, just so she will have a role.

Modifié par BlackMetal, 21 mai 2010 - 12:40 .

[AKFTF]

BlackMetal wrote...

AKFTF wrote...

If she isn't taken down the LI route, then I could see a mentor role for her. Personally, I hope they emphasize the equality between Samara and Shepard. It's something unique they have, so they should develop it.

Im not saying she doesn't have the option for other roles, im just saying what Bioware will probably do with her. So that's one of the reasons that i support her being an LI, just so she will have a role.

Hey, BlackMetal nice to have you back.  I wasn't saying she should be kept to one role. In fact I could see how they being equals leads to romance; I certainly wouldnt oppose it. I do want their equal status (I know there's a better word, but I can't think today) mentioned and developed...I feel a mental block today between what I want to say and how I say it.

[7Makaveli]

Yello!



Yes, we are secretly curious about a possible Samara LI progression. But I also hope they don't use that as a crutch for her development, like they did with LI's in ME2. In most cases if you don't want to pursue them they have nothing to say to you, which I thought wasn't consistent with Bioware's whole thesis about taking different paths. What's the path when you don't want to romance someone? Oh right, the path runs out and you run into a a brick wall.



I also don't know if whilst including her as a squadmate they may have to incorporate her oaths as a Justicar again. I think they should set up each of these squadmates "level starters" for the main missions, where you have the possibility of running into them (if alive) and they provide information about a certain task, at which point you may ask them to join you. They could then set up checks that determine whether the person will join you, like if they were loyal, what terms you left them on (Samara X Renegades). From then on, its smooth sailing right?

[AKFTF]

7Makaveli wrote...

I also don't know if whilst including her as a squadmate they may have to incorporate her oaths as a Justicar again. I think they should set up each of these squadmates "level starters" for the main missions, where you have the possibility of running into them (if alive) and they provide information about a certain task, at which point you may ask them to join you. They could then set up checks that determine whether the person will join you, like if they were loyal, what terms you left them on (Samara X Renegades). From then on, its smooth sailing right?

Interesting. I too hope she joins Shepard of her own volition. Your idea entails everyone be separated again. How could they work this out? Mostly everyone is already on the Normandy and another attack would be repetitive.

[7Makaveli]

AKFTF wrote...

Interesting. I too hope she joins Shepard of her own volition. Your idea entails everyone be separated again. How could they work this out? Mostly everyone is already on the Normandy and another attack would be repetitive.

This is all purely speculative on my part, but I think part of the reason they made this game into a whole build of a suicide mission, with all or nothing odds is because they planned to seperate everyone anyway. Squad recruiting is an integral part of what ME is so you can bet there is going to be that. And new squadmates is unlikely so that leaves only one scenario. Recollecting your squad on the way to final showdown whatever that may be. Granted some of the members should be their to begin with, human members I mean. But I think they can come up with ways to snag the alien members away from Shep, who might be on the run from Cerberus himself or something. Then you pick up from their as you get more concrete evidence to start getting everything in order. Let's say...

Garrus is training to be a Spectre
Jack is leading a rogue group and taking down Cerberus bases
Grunt is on Tuchanka....breeding
Samara is...*insert epic cause*


I dunno, things of that nature, where they are sort of in the way and you can scoop them up.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 21 mai 2010 - 02:31 .

[BlackMetal]

7Makaveli wrote...

Yello!

Yes, we are secretly curious about a possible Samara LI progression. But I also hope they don't use that as a crutch for her development, like they did with LI's in ME2. In most cases if you don't want to pursue them they have nothing to say to you, which I thought wasn't consistent with Bioware's whole thesis about taking different paths. What's the path when you don't want to romance someone? Oh right, the path runs out and you run into a a brick wall.

I also don't know if whilst including her as a squadmate they may have to incorporate her oaths as a Justicar again. I think they should set up each of these squadmates "level starters" for the main missions, where you have the possibility of running into them (if alive) and they provide information about a certain task, at which point you may ask them to join you. They could then set up checks that determine whether the person will join you, like if they were loyal, what terms you left them on (Samara X Renegades). From then on, its smooth sailing right?

True i hated that. Since i didn't like any of the romances in ME 2 most of my playthroughs i don't romance so that cuts my squad dialogue down really far and i don't like it.

In the Best case scenario for ME 3, I will have a playthrough with Samara as my LI, and one while see is my mentor (or whatever non-LI role they will have for her, hopefully not a brick wall) while i have Liara.

[7Makaveli]

BlackMetal wrote...

In the Best case scenario for ME 3, I will have a playthrough with Samara as my LI, and one while see is my mentor (or whatever non-LI role they will have for her, hopefully not a brick wall) while i have Liara.

If you don't pursue Samara this is what she will say

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 21 mai 2010 - 03:11 .