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[NICKjnp]

Panda Warlock wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

She'd let the Rachni Queen go.

Are you sure? I don't think she was alive at the time, but her people had more experience handling the original Rachni problem, at least compared to humanity. You don't think she'd be more inclined to keep them from threatening the galaxy/innocents again?

I got the impression that her Code is not that much about defending the innocents, but more about punishing the wicked. So if she'd believe Rachni Queen story, I believe she'd let her go. (probably not whithout doubts. Guess she'd just bring some rules from her Code to use it in that situation)

Samara isn't a protector. She's a justicar. She'd kill cops and anybody standing in her way to kill pursued criminal. The Code is about bringing justice, and this is pretty muchj point of her life now.

The code does not exist to bring about spiritual enlightenment.  It exists to punish the wicked and protect the innocent.  Samara states this to Shepard.

She would kill a dozen dirty cops but fight to her dying breath defending an innocent one.  Detective Anaya tells this to Shepard.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 22 mai 2010 - 05:27 .

[7Makaveli]

As a strong mamma herself, Samara would feel compassion for Mamma Rachni. And as comprehensive the Code is, I don't think it has specifics on how to give advice on this kind of an issue. Who knows tho, The Code is so unpredictable, it could make it so that she would have to kill you for unleashing a being that cannot be trusted into a free world, or kill you for killing a being that did no harm to you, thus being innocent. I personally think Samara would give advice leaning towards freeing her because she senses that Mamma Rachni is pure at heart.

[Kudara]

Panda Warlock wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

She'd let the Rachni Queen go.

Are you sure? I don't think she was alive at the time, but her people had more experience handling the original Rachni problem, at least compared to humanity. You don't think she'd be more inclined to keep them from threatening the galaxy/innocents again?

I got the impression that her Code is not that much about defending the innocents, but more about punishing the wicked. So if she'd believe Rachni Queen story, I believe she'd let her go. (probably not whithout doubts. Guess she'd just bring some rules from her Code to use it in that situation)

Samara isn't a protector. She's a justicar. She'd kill cops and anybody standing in her way to kill pursued criminal. The Code is about bringing justice, and this is pretty muchj point of her life now.

Respectfully, I have to disagree with you.  Nilus got away by placing Samara in a situation where she had to either let him go and save an innocent or continue her persuit of him and let an innocent die.  She let him go to save the innocent.  I'd say that's pretty strong proof that the Code values saving the innocent over punishing the wicked.

[lovgreno]

I think it's great that someone actualy turned Shepard down. Everyone else (well many at least) acts like horny teenagers around Shepard but Samara basicaly said: "Yeah I like you, but not that much so just drop it and behave like a adult". Though Samara used nicer words, no need to harm young Shepards self esteem.



I would love to hear Samara tell more stories. Shepard would bring the bf/gf to make it more comfortable and listen to her calm awesome voice while watching the stars.

[Flying-Jew]

7Makaveli wrote...

As a strong mamma herself, Samara would feel compassion for Mamma Rachni. And as comprehensive the Code is, I don't think it has specifics on how to give advice on this kind of an issue. Who knows tho, The Code is so unpredictable, it could make it so that she would have to kill you for unleashing a being that cannot be trusted into a free world, or kill you for killing a being that did no harm to you, thus being innocent. I personally think Samara would give advice leaning towards freeing her because she senses that Mamma Rachni is pure at heart.

Mamma Samara and Mamma Rachni. EPIC WIN! 

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

I would love to hear Samara tell more stories. Shepard would bring the bf/gf to make it more comfortable and listen to her calm awesome voice while watching the stars.

Samara's voice is awesome.   Maggie Baird's voice is awesome.   I've recorded a couple of Shepard's conversations with Samara so I can have her voice for reference.  I've listened to the voice-actresses who voice Samara in other languages, and none of them compare to Maggie Baird's work.

Sophisticated, Mystical, and Sexy.  One of the Best Voice actors, fits Samara with perfection.

[7Makaveli]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Do you put on the headphones and listen to the recordings when going to sleep every night?
http://en.wikipedia....ulsive_disorder

/jocularity

Obsession and OCD are different thing JD

The thing I like about Samara's voice is that it seems to project even though its actually a soft voice. Everytime she speaks its as if everything else is turned down and she's not even projecting but you can hear her clearly. It may be just me though

[7Makaveli]

lovgreno wrote...

I would love to hear Samara tell more stories. Shepard would bring the bf/gf to make it more comfortable and listen to her calm awesome voice while watching the stars.

Shepard: Hey, Miranda, wanna go over to starboard observation, cuddle up and listen to Samara tell stories?

Miranda: There's alot to do Shepard. Maybe another time.

Shepard: *shrugs* Your loss *Scurries out*

[Pacifien]

Well, gee, now I wonder which squadmate would accept Shepard's offer of story time. Samara and Zaeed on opposite sides of the room. "Okay, people who want paragon story time on this side of the room. Those looking for renegade story time over there!"

I have this image of Grunt sitting on the floor crosslegged with his hands in his lap, looking up excitedly at Samara as she describes some of her first kills as a mercenary.

[Pacifien]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
The Jack thread has been derailed by Asari anatomy and same sex romance. I am partly to blame for it too.

Well, since you mention it here, I'll bring my query on whether or not the melding is a required aspect of asari sexual practices here as well. Because like I said, I can see some aliens balking at the idea if they knew their mind's secrets were going to be opened up as well.

[7Makaveli]

Pacifien wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
The Jack thread has been derailed by Asari anatomy and same sex romance. I am partly to blame for it too.

Well, since you mention it here, I'll bring my query on whether or not the melding is a required aspect of asari sexual practices here as well. Because like I said, I can see some aliens balking at the idea if they knew their mind's secrets were going to be opened up as well.

Liara puts a lot of weight for significance when she first talks about melding. So I would think part of that is because it completely opens you up to one another in terms of past experiences. I assume that is what she meant.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 23 mai 2010 - 02:33 .

[7Makaveli]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

The Jack thread has been derailed by Asari anatomy and same sex romance. I am partly to blame for it too.

It's trouble I tell you! lol but how did it end up in the Jack thread?

[7Makaveli]

Lets see what trusty old TvTropes has to say

The Asari from Mass Effect are a literal one-gender race, who reproduce through parthenogenesis. Of course, they're also among the wisest and most ancient races in the galaxy, powerful users of Biotic techniques, and the founders of the Citadel Council, which governs 80% of known space. But the player is likely to be more interested in their ability to 'merge' with anyone, regardless of race and gender... this process requires a lot of direct skin-contact, but since the Asari are also a race of Blue Skinned Space Babes, nobody's got a problem with that.

[BlackMetal]

Someone needs to think of a term to use for Asari, She is technically incorrect and It just sounds ****ed up.

[7Makaveli]

I wonder how the Asari came to know that they could meld with other races. Trial and error? lol. Hey look, a Salarian, they look....do-able Maybe they didn't meld with Salarians, who apparently get no pleasure from doing a deed anyway, and waited for the Turians instead. Or maybe a Turian...I dunno.

[7Makaveli]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...
Lets see what trusty old TvTropes has to say

The Asari from Mass Effect are a literal one-gender race, who reproduce through parthenogenesis. Of course, they're also among the wisest and most ancient races in the galaxy, powerful users of Biotic techniques, and the founders of the Citadel Council, which governs 80% of known space. But the player is likely to be more interested in their ability to 'merge' with anyone, regardless of race and gender... this process requires a lot of direct skin-contact, but since the Asari are also a race of Blue Skinned Space Babes, nobody's got a problem with that.

That is basically it.  That pretty much is their scope.  For one to use them as evidence for another argument is basically hollow and doesn't hold any weight, because they are sci-fi creations, and we don't have their genetic and anatamocial specifics.

What was the other argument? That they are indeed female? Well, I don't think you can argue sci-fi with biological "facts". Especially when the creators of it don't seem to know either way. But hey, if it talks like a duck, walks like a duck, its a duck, eh?

@Black: do you propose we call them it? That feels odd.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 23 mai 2010 - 02:57 .

[BlackMetal]

7Makaveli wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...
Lets see what trusty old TvTropes has to say

The Asari from Mass Effect are a literal one-gender race, who reproduce through parthenogenesis. Of course, they're also among the wisest and most ancient races in the galaxy, powerful users of Biotic techniques, and the founders of the Citadel Council, which governs 80% of known space. But the player is likely to be more interested in their ability to 'merge' with anyone, regardless of race and gender... this process requires a lot of direct skin-contact, but since the Asari are also a race of Blue Skinned Space Babes, nobody's got a problem with that.

That is basically it.  That pretty much is their scope.  For one to use them as evidence for another argument is basically hollow and doesn't hold any weight, because they are sci-fi creations, and we don't have their genetic and anatamocial specifics.

What was the other argument? That they are indeed female? Well, I don't think you can argue sci-fi with biological "facts". Especially when the creators of it don't seem to know either way. But hey, if it talks like a duck, walks like a duck, its a duck, eh?

@Black: do you propose we call them it? That feels odd.

No not at all, that's why i said it sounded ****ed up.

I have no idea what we call them. lol

[7Makaveli]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
They are often used when s/s relationship arguments in the game come up by both sides of the debate.

I agree it is a duck, but you can't use them to further an argument that is outside their scope.  That was all I was saying over there.Why?  Like you said: "Well, I don't think you can argue sci-fi with biological facts".

I don't think its worth arguing. Let's enjoy them for what they are, blue skinned babe-like people that are increasingly interesting

what do you think of this JD?

7Makaveli wrote...

I wonder how the Asari came to know
that they could meld with other races. Trial and error? lol. Hey
look, a Salarian, they look....do-able Maybe they didn't meld
with Salarians, who apparently get no pleasure from doing a deed anyway,
and waited for the Turians instead. Or maybe a Turian...I
dunno.