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[7Makaveli]

Samara would teach Law >__>

[NICKjnp]

Samara would teach Religion

[7Makaveli]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

Legion - ?

lol Legion would be the wierd student who calls his teacher "mom" haha

[JohnnyBeGood2]

7Makaveli wrote...

Asari are presented as Panentheistic, but I always thought them being Esoteric would make more sense.

Thoughts?

EDIT: aside from it relating to mysticism

Any (most of the most popular) religion(s) can/do have esoteric elements/schools. Esotericism in a religion just isn't obvious unless you've studied to find the esoteric schools within.

You wouldn't usually set pantheistic against esoteric. "Esoteric" is usually included as a subset of a belief system for the way it connects hidden phenomena with manifest phenomena (generally speaking).

[7Makaveli]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

Asari are presented as Panentheistic, but I always thought them being Esoteric would make more sense.

Thoughts?

EDIT: aside from it relating to mysticism

Any (most of the most popular) religion(s) can/do have esoteric elements/schools. Esotericism in a religion just isn't obvious unless you've studied to find the esoteric schools within.

You wouldn't usually set pantheistic against esoteric. "Esoteric" is usually included as a subset of a belief system for the way it connects hidden phenomena with manifest phenomena (generally speaking).

Indeed. That was one of my lazier posts where I didn't detail what I meant exactly

I was implying that Asari wouldn't subscribe to any specific religious belief or deity, but find consistencies in different belief systems as held together by a distinct life force that exists within each Asari. And because of their unique melding capabilites that allow them to basically access and unite different thoughts and experiences this could be their transmutational way of gaining knowledge. Sort of like correspondance between all sentient beings, although I'm not sure how nature would tie into it.

[Pacifien]

7Makaveli wrote...
I was implying that Asari wouldn't subscribe to any specific religious belief or deity, but find consistencies in different belief systems as held together by a distinct life force that exists within each Asari. And because of their unique melding capabilites that allow them to basically access and unite different thoughts and experiences this could be their transmutational way of gaining knowledge. Sort of like correspondance between all sentient beings, although I'm not sure how nature would tie into it.

I think that pretty muchs defines pantheistic.

[Auzden]

u know the only thing i dislike about samara is that u get so close to kissing her then she walks away. i was like fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu------. ya samaras awsom i cant wait to see her return in ME3

[BlackMetal]

Auzden wrote...

u know the only thing i dislike about samara is that u get so close to kissing her then she walks away. i was like fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu------. ya samaras awsom i cant wait to see her return in ME3

As much as i hate cliffhangers, they always get me more excited for the next installment, and they usually pay off well.

[Zulu_DFA]

Hi, Samara thread! Just popping up to say:

Being the Evil Cerberus Guy [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie] I am, I take Zaeed and Legion to fight the final boss and leave Miranda, Garrus and Samara to hold the line. And I'd be like "YAY!!! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]" if Garrus and Miranda both kicked the bucket there, leaving Sam the only one to make it through the hold-the-line spot, but the game wouldn't allow it [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie].

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

And I am in 10-year-old mood now! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 23 mai 2010 - 06:17 .

[7Makaveli]

Pacifien wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...
I was implying that Asari wouldn't subscribe to any specific religious belief or deity, but find consistencies in different belief systems as held together by a distinct life force that exists within each Asari. And because of their unique melding capabilites that allow them to basically access and unite different thoughts and experiences this could be their transmutational way of gaining knowledge. Sort of like correspondance between all sentient beings, although I'm not sure how nature would tie into it.

I think that pretty muchs defines pantheistic.

that's not much different from Panentheism...

Pantheism promotes the idea that "God" is better
understood as a way of relating to nature and the Universe
as a whole - all that was, is and shall be - rather than as a transcendent, mental, personal or
creator entity.[2]
Pantheists thus do not believe in a personal,
anthropomorphic or creator god. Although there are divergences
within Pantheism, the central ideas found in almost all versions are the
Cosmos as an all-encompassing unity and the "sacredness" of Nature.

Esotericism is a theory of correspondences, the
conviction that nature is a living entity, the need for mediating
elements (such as symbols or visions) in order to
access spiritual knowledge, and a sense of personal transmutation when
arriving at this knowledge. To this are added two less crucial traits.
Esotericism sometimes suggests an additional element of initiation.
Finally, esotericists frequently suggest that there is a concordance
between different religious traditions

do you see where I'm getting at? the "visions" is in the melding they need to access "spiritual knowledge". I'm not saying that all life force is God as in Panentheism or Pantheism to some extent. I can see where the confusion lies though because there is an overlap as Esotericism can encompass them all. Either way this is speculation upon speculation.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 23 mai 2010 - 06:18 .

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Hi, Samara thread! Just popping up to say:

Being the Evil Cerberus Guy I am, I take Zaeed and Legion to fight the final boss and leave Miranda, Garrus and Samara to hold the line. And I'd be like "YAY!!! " if Garrus and Miranda both kicked the bucket there, leaving Sam the only one to make it through the hold-the-line spot, but the game wouldn't allow it .



And I am in 10-year-old mood now!

Just don't do Miranda's and Garrus's loyalty missions, send Miranda as an escort and bring Garrus to the final battle, or use him as a team leader.  That should kill em for you I think.

Samara will come out alright.

Miranda will only die if you bring her to the final boss and she isn't loyal.  She has specific dialogue that isn't spoken by anyone else.

[Pacifien]

Right, 'cause when you hear that the crew made it back to the Normandy, she's the one saying "let's make it count" and asking EDI what the next step is.

I wonder if you take an unloyal Miranda and Garrus with you to the final battle, but leave a loyal Zaeed, Legion, and Samara to hold the line, if those three will all make it out just fine. They're all pretty far down the list of possible deaths to start with. Legion and Samara come after Garrus even.

Modifié par Pacifien, 23 mai 2010 - 10:42 .

[Flamewielder]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Probably like how people say "bless you" after a sneeze, but no one is really trying to actually bless you.

Actually I think people say "bless you" when one sneezes, in hopes that the sneezer will not blow his brains through his nose.

Actually, if you pinched your nose, you could also blow the brain through your ears... (I love Calvin & Hobbs...)

I'm curious to see how/if the storyline DLC linking ME2 and ME3 will involve our crew (and Samara). You don't like Samara? You don't have to buy that particular piece of DLC... You like everyone, you can buy it all.

[Zulu_DFA]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Hi, Samara thread! Just popping up to say:

Being the Evil Cerberus Guy [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie] I am, I take Zaeed and Legion to fight the final boss and leave Miranda, Garrus and Samara to hold the line. And I'd be like "YAY!!! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]" if Garrus and Miranda both kicked the bucket there, leaving Sam the only one to make it through the hold-the-line spot, but the game wouldn't allow it [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie].

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

And I am in 10-year-old mood now! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Just don't do Miranda's and Garrus's loyalty missions, send Miranda as an escort and bring Garrus to the final battle, or use him as a team leader.  That should kill em for you I think.

Samara will come out alright.

Problem is I postpone Samara's loyalty mission until after the "suicide mission".

Never mind, I'm fine with Miranda and Garrus making it too, just not really care about them.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 23 mai 2010 - 11:10 .

[Zulu_DFA]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Problem is I postpone Samara's loyalty mission until after the "suicide mission".

Who is unloyal?  Just those 3?

Samara is unloyal. Garrus and Miranda are loyal. All three live.