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I'm totally knicking that, hope you don't mind!

Well, I made it so that other people can use it. So trust me, I don't mind it at all. :lol:

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7Makaveli wrote...

I found something interesting reading up on Ardat-Yakshi:

Contrary to popular belief, Ardat-Yakshi are neither extremely rare (around one per cent of asari dwell on the AY spectrum), nor are they all murderers. Most cultivate and discard countless exploitative or abusive relationships during their legally marginal lives. Despite rumors of Ardat-Yakshi syndicates, by nature Ardat-Yakshi are incapable of long-term cooperation.


The last sentence is most interesting. Perhaps Samara's other two Ardat-Yakshi daughters will eventually break free from their "life of seclusion" and follow Morinth's path. Could make for an interesting side mission. Samara would surely need Shepards help taking on two Ardat-Yakshi. I would love to see something like this if its done right.


But they spend their days making honey in a monastery.   Who would want to run away from that?

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*cough* Don't mind me...*uses banner as well* Its prettier than my current one...thank you for making it!

And on the subject of Samara's other children, a thread of Expansion ideas for ME2 -> http://social.biowar...5/index/1811707

To save you the trouble of clicking =P
For Samara fans:
One of her other daughters finds out she killed Morinth and creates a band of merc to come after her. She asks for shepards help again to take down another one of her daughters. This would added some serious emotional trauma and set a story for the next game. Plus it would break her down enough that she might fall prey for a set up romance could happen in ME 3 for her.


This just feels...evil to do. But would you get it if it happened to be made? I probably would... *cough*

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 25 mars 2010 - 07:18 .


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I have two renegade games right now, one where I pick Samara so I can see if she tries to kill me after the mission and one where I pick and romance Morinth up to the point of death(pretty lame there isn't a way to survive that).

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I donwloaded that firewalker pack but no luck starting it. How do you play that?

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I probably would get it. I see no evilness in it. Its just the way the story goes (or would go).

laMfaR44 wrote...

I donwloaded that firewalker pack but no
luck starting it. How do you play that?


download install. a new mission will apear on galactic map.

Modifié par kelmar6821, 25 mars 2010 - 07:55 .


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I don't think that would happened, though it would own. Morinth knew what risks she took when she escaped from that planet. I think her daughters accept their fate and understands why they cant go.

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I agree.

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I'm highly resistant to any form of Samara romance. Two of her most outstanding qualities are incorruptibility and unfaltering determination. Being an opportunist and taking advantage of any vulnerability in Samara, as with the expansion idea, sounds completely barbaric. I suppose a Renegade Shepard would take advantage, though.

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AshiraShepard wrote...

*cough* Don't mind me...*uses banner as well* Its prettier than my current one...thank you for making it!

And on the subject of Samara's other children, a thread of Expansion ideas for ME2 -> http://social.biowar...5/index/1811707

To save you the trouble of clicking =P
For Samara fans:
One of her other daughters finds out she killed Morinth and creates a band of merc to come after her. She asks for shepards help again to take down another one of her daughters. This would added some serious emotional trauma and set a story for the next game. Plus it would break her down enough that she might fall prey for a set up romance could happen in ME 3 for her.


This just feels...evil to do. But would you get it if it happened to be made? I probably would... *cough*


I don't know if I'd be a fan of that. It'd just be plain cruel to put Samara through killing another of her other children. The serious emotional tragedy of that scale has already been felt by Samara. From a writing perspective, I don't think repeating it would add much new. There is other stuff you can do with Samara on a mission that doesn't involve butchering her children. It'd be like going after Maelon with Mordin to stop him releasing info about the modified Genophage again. We want something unique and new.

I think the two children that went into seclusion as AY would understand the necessity of bringing Morinth to an end, they understood their choices offered to them with their condition. Samara even mentions that Morinth is the, I suppose, most headstrong of her children, thus why she wasn't willing to accept the choice to be disciplined and the importance of not melding with anyone.

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 25 mars 2010 - 08:19 .


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Anyone else think Samara will put down her Justicar mantle between 2 and 3? I think that with the death of Morinth, it kinda finishes up the original reason she became a justicar. After she finishes dealing with the emotions and the suicide mission there shouldn't be anything but habbit holding her to it. To me that represents the most reasonable path to Samara as a LI.

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AshiraShepard wrote...
To save you the trouble of clicking =P
For Samara fans:
One of her other daughters finds out she killed Morinth and creates a band of merc to come after her. She asks for shepards help again to take down another one of her daughters. This would added some serious emotional trauma and set a story for the next game. Plus it would break her down enough that she might fall prey for a set up romance could happen in ME 3 for her.


This just feels...evil to do. But would you get it if it happened to be made? I probably would... *cough*

A mission like that would be pretty cruel, although I can see where it comes from. The whole problem with Samara, at this point at least, is that she doesn't have a lot of drives. Actually, since she hit the matron stage of her life, she only had one. As a matron it was all about having children and settle down. Then, when she found out all her daughters were Ardat-Yakshi. Morinth even escaped and Samara swore to hunt her down. Killing her daughter has been her only reason to live for the last 400 years. So what could you let her do now Morinth is dead? Her other daughters going rogue isn't a happy scenario, but there aren't many other viable leads to compose a new chapter in Samara's story around.

It's not the only one, however. I for one would be very interested in a Samara that would drift away a bit from her Justicar life. After her loyalty mission, she says that she made the choice to continue fighting injustice all around the universe, but now she has the chance to look at that universe in a more 'open' way. I like Samara how she is in ME2, but I don't get the feeling she's very happy with herself and how her life turned out. I think it will be nice if she runs in to something that will give her life new meaning and even happiness, for the first time after many, many years of fighting and struggling. Hell, maybe she even found it already...

Would be a better lead-in to a romance, too, if you ask me. To be honest, I see Samara more like a sister in arms and a very close friend, than a love interest. But if I could romance her, I would like to romance an happy, stable Samara. Not an emotional wreck who only wants to sleep with you because her life ain't worth a dime anymore.

Modifié par Rikketik, 25 mars 2010 - 09:01 .


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AKFTF wrote...

So, BlackMetal...have you ever chosen to kill her during her loyalty mission? I could never do it; makes me sick to the stomach.


Never, even though i want to out of pure curiosity, i can't bring my self to do it, its like killing the batman.

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BlackMetal wrote...

AKFTF wrote...

So, BlackMetal...have you ever chosen to kill her during her loyalty mission? I could never do it; makes me sick to the stomach.


Never, even though i want to out of pure curiosity, i can't bring my self to do it, its like killing the batman.


I have. Morinth is pretty much the same, but no dialogue wheels :(

she just tells you "O yeah, youre badass, im sure you'll survive a go with me."
don't believe her lies

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I did it once. Saved, killed samara talked to Morinth and reloaded :P

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Yeah same here. Even in my renegade run, I couldn't stick with it.

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but morinths loyalty power is hella powerful. very useful in the final fight as well

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I just had the chance to kill her. Couldn't bring myself to do it though.



Although I still have the safe file when standing in front of Morinth, just before initiating the scene with her (attempt at) seducing you and her fight with Samara... I think I'm just gonna do it, and reload afterwards. It's gonna be hard to see Samara getting killed, however...

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kelmar6821 wrote...

Anyone else think Samara will put down her Justicar mantle between 2 and 3? I think that with the death of Morinth, it kinda finishes up the original reason she became a justicar. After she finishes dealing with the emotions and the suicide mission there shouldn't be anything but habbit holding her to it. To me that represents the most reasonable path to Samara as a LI.


I hope this is not the case, i find the whole justicar idea intriguing as ****, i hope they make a romance option for only paragons because it wouldn't make sense if a renegade could have her.

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BlackMetal wrote...

kelmar6821 wrote...

Anyone else think Samara will put down her Justicar mantle between 2 and 3? I think that with the death of Morinth, it kinda finishes up the original reason she became a justicar. After she finishes dealing with the emotions and the suicide mission there shouldn't be anything but habbit holding her to it. To me that represents the most reasonable path to Samara as a LI.


I hope this is not the case, i find the whole justicar idea intriguing as ****, i hope they make a romance option for only paragons because it wouldn't make sense if a renegade could have her.


It wouldn't be right considering she says she'd have to kill you after her oath is up. But then again with some of the ME1 squadmates you could push them towards the paragon or renegade side. Maybe they'll choose that path to include renegades. Honestly I hope they don't because Samara is already full paragon and a matriarch. It wouldn't make much sense that she could be persuaded that way.

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kelmar6821 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

kelmar6821 wrote...

Anyone else think Samara will put down her Justicar mantle between 2 and 3? I think that with the death of Morinth, it kinda finishes up the original reason she became a justicar. After she finishes dealing with the emotions and the suicide mission there shouldn't be anything but habbit holding her to it. To me that represents the most reasonable path to Samara as a LI.


I hope this is not the case, i find the whole justicar idea intriguing as ****, i hope they make a romance option for only paragons because it wouldn't make sense if a renegade could have her.


It wouldn't be right considering she says she'd have to kill you after her oath is up. But then again with some of the ME1 squadmates you could push them towards the paragon or renegade side. Maybe they'll choose that path to include renegades. Honestly I hope they don't because Samara is already full paragon and a matriarch. It wouldn't make much sense that she could be persuaded that way.


Yeah i think that if youve been sworn to a code for 400 years, you'd be loyal to it and events such as the ones in ME 2 would not cause her to drop her code all of a sudden.

Not being a Justicar would not fit her personallity, she couldn't readjust to a normal lifestyle.

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BlackMetal wrote...
Yeah i think that if youve been sworn to a code for 400 years, you'd be loyal to it and events such as the ones in ME 2 would not cause her to drop her code all of a sudden.

Not being a Justicar would not fit her personallity, she couldn't readjust to a normal lifestyle.


Well I wouldn't say she couldn't. I also don't think it would be to far beyond her character like I said, She original became one to hunt down Morinth. That task has been completed. I see the Issue as up in the air. Her purpose has been completed, and came to an end with great emotional pain. There are many ways for her to move forward from there.

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Beyond observing The Code, imagine what life would be like for Samara if she were to give up being a Justicar. The Codex, and Samara, tell us that the life of the Justicar is a lonely one. I don't doubt that Samara has become highly resistant to succumbing to weakness, but the transition back in to a civilian life from being a Justicar would be highly traumatic, at the least. Even though I'm sure she could fend for herself, being so strong, she would have no one to turn to (save for Shepard). She wouldn't have the legal immunity that being a Justicar provides. To use an example, it would be like paralyzing Batman, and making him watch as all of his enemies burn Gotham to the ground.

Samara wouldn't give up being a Justicar just because she's completed her mission.  Morinth killed the innocent, but criminals all over the galaxy are continuing to do so.  To stop now would be...dare I say, selfish?

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kelmar6821 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...
Yeah i think that if youve been sworn to a code for 400 years, you'd be loyal to it and events such as the ones in ME 2 would not cause her to drop her code all of a sudden.

Not being a Justicar would not fit her personallity, she couldn't readjust to a normal lifestyle.


Well I wouldn't say she couldn't. I also don't think it would be to far beyond her character like I said, She original became one to hunt down Morinth. That task has been completed. I see the Issue as up in the air. Her purpose has been completed, and came to an end with great emotional pain. There are many ways for her to move forward from there.


True, i can see that being within the realm of possibility, but her being a Justicar adds to her character and i would rather she her continue her work as one.

And remember, The Code doesn't forbid romantic involvement.

And a side note, how the **** do you get the support bars in your signature? Its bugging the satan out of me.

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yes, if anyone can explain how to put up support bars, that would be great!