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[Kudara]

NICKjnp wrote...

Didn't work... wasn't able to add aditional powers to squadmates.

Hey Nick, did you mention how you were able to add in a power to your Shepard?  I was wanting to trade out cryo ammo on my Vanguard and add in adrenaline rush.

[Pacifien]

While I don't agree completely with the Code, I like that Samara does. I like characters that have unique perspectives. I can still like a person, still get along with a person, even if our views don't align perfectly. I can still like and get along with a person even if our views go in completely opposite directions.

[Cerrydd]

Don't mind me, I'm just dropping something I made today.


Click for big

Hope you like it

[Collider]

That's really cool cerry.

[NICKjnp]

Kudara wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Didn't work... wasn't able to add aditional powers to squadmates.

Hey Nick, did you mention how you were able to add in a power to your Shepard?  I was wanting to trade out cryo ammo on my Vanguard and add in adrenaline rush.

Are you on the PC or 360?  I'm on the 360 and the power is a second bonus power.  So my Adept has warp ammo and energy drain.  Here is the modding page for the 360 (I presume there is a PC modding page as well).
http://social.biowar...3/index/2277020

[Cerrydd]

Heh, glad you liked it. I used that screenshot for my ME2 meme last night and I just had to do something with it.

[Kudara]

7Makaveli wrote...

Well you know what, I'm going to do a list of what I like about Samara, and it will be articulate because I've had enough of this nonsense:

- I like that she follows an unwavering Code of justice. That is what she does. Yet still is able to be wonderfully charming and graceful, that is what we come to find as who she is. I like that I'm able to separate the two.

- I like that she meditates on the day's events. For as long as she has lived she is still encouraged to pick apart the infinite space between the seconds and minutes in the day and keep all those she may have killed in her thoughts

- I like her self-discipline,it contrasts well with some of the "loose cannons" of the squad

- I like that she unflinchingly says how proud she is of her bravest, smartest, sinister, hedonistic daughter. A mother can always see through the best and worst qualities of their children

- I like that she doesn't want to get involved with Shepard, but in that moment gives him perhaps the greatest moment of intimacy and loss he/she may have ever felt.

- I like that after atleast 600 years of madness, sorrow, and struggle, she can find peace sitting on the Observation Deck after killing her daughter, and looking forward to finishing Shepard's mission

- I like that she will come for me




^ feel free to add yall

I think you've summed it up pretty well.  I especially like your first bullet point.

[Kudara]

yorkj86 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Do you agree completely with her code, York?

I don't agree with it entirely.  Samara would arrest a man for stealing food to feed his starving family.  The Code lacks subtlety and nuance.  A Justicar couldn't look the other way without violating the Code.

Simultaneously, I like the Code because it attempts to do away with nuance by creating rules of morality that are immutable and not subject to interpretation.  The Code is absolute and it doesn't permit people to pick-and-choose what suits them best at the moment.  It does not allow opportunistic adherence. 

If Shepard tried to get fancy with the wording of a Sutra, Samara would just narrow her eyes at him.

The Code is both good and bad.  Its value is ambiguous.  It is nuanced in that it lacks nuance.

The more I think about the Code, the more I think that absolute adherence to it is the only way you can let someone walk around with the type of power that is entrusted to a Justicar. 

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
Do we think that Paragon Shepard's relationship with Samara could be strong enough that she would be willing to sacrifice her "I work alone"  mentality in order to combat the unjust and defend the innocent alongside him?

Not really. Sometimes I think Paragon Shepard's duties are a bit more than combating injustice and defending innocents. She'll help him if he asks, but Samara sees a galaxy in need of a Justicar's personal attention beyond just wherever Shepard happens to be.

I'm not sure she'll succeed on teaching the krogan about the errors of varren pit fighting, though.

[7Makaveli]

Wassup Yall??



Do you guys think that the Justicars would ever go through a dark period of societal rejection? What I mean is, say that out of sheer coincidence a few revered Asari leaders or public figures are executed by Justicars (for justifiable reasons but those that the public was not aware of or simply couldn't comprehend) in different Asari worlds, and understandably people start worrying. You can see how that would be controversial and people would want answers. Do you think the Asari's trust in Justicar's would be fragile at this point? It goes back to the whole thing about who monitors the monitor. Justicars don't answer to anyone, so I'm not sure what separates blind trust and faith in this case. I think this could potentially divide the Asari community, on one side folk who deeply trust the Justicars, and those who may be more fearful of them and push for their banishment. Maybe this is something that could be explored in ME3 as a way of uniting the Asari race.



Thoughts? Comments? Bueller?

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

I mentioned this earlier, but it got no response:

Do we think that Paragon Shepard's relationship with Samara could be strong enough that she would be willing to sacrifice her "I work alone"  mentality in order to combat the unjust and defend the innocent alongside him?

I think "I will come for you" is as far as she can go with ParaShep. I've been wondering about how Justicars have a network that feeds them information about where to go next and what areas are particularly in need of attention. It would make them out to be more like Spectres sure, but I can't really imagine them roaming around with no real compass to guide them. Sure, alongside Shepard she probably realizes that she will run into quite a lot of action, but I think the reason the Code doesn't really embellsh relationships of any kind (speculation?) is that it probably complicates more things for the Code. The Code is probably meant to be used in conjuction with a single agent so that interpretations are simplified and actions are more linear. If the Code had some sutras for team objectives then perhaps she would find a way to remain. I mean do we really know how the Third Oath subsides? What is the nature of it? Does Shepard have to say something like "your oath has been fulfilled *echo*" and biotics flare around Samara releasing her? lol. I hope that's covered too.

[Pacifien]

I think it might take more than the demise of a Matriarch by Justicar hands to turn popular opinion against the Justicars. Think of the 47 Ronin or Robin Hood. If Justicar got involved with a particularly powerful asari, then people will start wondering just what evil that person must have been doing to get a Justicar involved.

The quickest way I can see people turning against the Justicars were if the Justicars decided to place themselves in positions of power in order to enforce the Code. Samara comes across as a noble follower of the Justicar Code, but just as Spectres have their bad eggs, I bet the Justicars do as well. Interpretation of the Code is everything.

[7Makaveli]

Do yall think the Code has an emergency routine in place in case of a mass unforeseen disaster that cripples infrastructure and renders communities without leaders? Sorry to bring Rapture to Thessia lol, but surely the Code has to include Sutras about chaos and disorder and what Justicars are to do in theses cases. Asari don't seem like the type to get rattled to extremes, but their level of diplomacy is on a high playing field so the first thing I think would be to build it back up.

Boughts? Thomments? Cueller? =D

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 26 mai 2010 - 08:39 .

[7Makaveli]

Pacifien wrote...

I think it might take more than the demise of a Matriarch by Justicar hands to turn popular opinion against the Justicars. Think of the 47 Ronin or Robin Hood. If Justicar got involved with a particularly powerful asari, then people will start wondering just what evil that person must have been doing to get a Justicar involved.
The quickest way I can see people turning against the Justicars were if the Justicars decided to place themselves in positions of power in order to enforce the Code. Samara comes across as a noble follower of the Justicar Code, but just as Spectres have their bad eggs, I bet the Justicars do as well. Interpretation of the Code is everything.

Yes, I would think actually its default to believe that the Justicar is doing her job, no matter how "great" a target she may have taken down. But still, a succession of these type of killings would worry some I think. Whispers of "are they indocrinated?" or worse "have they been bribed?" may even come out. And the thought of a rogue Justicar is thrilling. Imagine having a twisted interpretation of the Code and going around out of Asari worlds to spread Asari supremacy, I think even Saren would yield =D

EDIT: see yall later

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 26 mai 2010 - 09:02 .

[sunnyfunny]

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[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

I mentioned this earlier, but it got no response:

Do we think that Paragon Shepard's relationship with Samara could be strong enough that she would be willing to sacrifice her "I work alone"  mentality in order to combat the unjust and defend the innocent alongside him?

My Shepard is Paragon... but to answer your question.... no.  I think that she will help you in ME3 and if you pursue a relationship it might happen during the third game however I see her parting ways with you after the end of the game with a "I love you" type goodbye.  I think it would be much more suiting to her character than her leaving the Justicar order (though I would think that many Justicars would consider Paragon Spectres on par with the Justicar order).