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[NICKjnp]

7Makaveli wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

I bring you->

the look on both their faces is adorably intimidating =D

My manshep doesn't need heavy weapons.... he is the heavy weapon.

[Pacifien]

I was just reading the Codex entry for Ardat-Yakshi, and it seemed to contradict a bit with what Samara was saying. For instance, she says there are only three known Ardat-Yakshi in existence, though she later wonders if maybe there are more in the more remote locations of asari space. However, the Codex implies that 1% of asari are in the AY spectrum.

What's that mean, though? That 1% of asari are carriers? That 1% of asari are Ardat-Yakshi? Probably carriers more likely, as to say 1% are actually Ardat-Yakshi would mean numbers in the thousands. Not likely only 3 would be known in that case.

It does mention asari society putting the Ardat-Yakshi in work programs or seclusion. "Work program" would seem to indicate quite a few to warrant any sort of program to me.

It also states that even if an Ardat-Yakshi was not a murderer, she'd likely still be exploitative and abusive throughout her short life as she lacks the ability to empathize. Given how the asari try to keep knowledge of this genetic defect out of greater galactic public knowledge, this theory they don't empathize is either propaganda or true. If true, we're talking true psychopaths from birth.

[jlb524]

It doesn't make sense why a pureblood would have an increased chance to have an AY child, unless it's just a cheap way for them to justify the reason asari shouldn't breed with one another. In ME1, Liara presented a purely social reason why they shouldn't ('oh, asari think it's not acceptable to breed with another, but this has no basis in scientific fact. They just think it's better for the race to bring in diversity and blah blah blah'). In ME2, they tried to introduce a biological basis with this AY stuff.



Why wouldn't Liara have mentioned this in ME1? 'Oh by the way Shepard, our offspring could potentially become a mad serial killer'.

[Ashira Shepard]

NICKjnp wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

I bring you->
*snip*

the look on both their faces is adorably intimidating =D

My manshep doesn't need heavy weapons.... he is the heavy weapon.

One) Adorably intimidating is hard to pull off, but awesome

Two) Argh! ManShep! It burns! *crumbles into dust*

Must...resist...urge...to make...obligatory...Shepard Thread...in group...

[Kudara]

To add to the AY discussion, I think it may have something to do with pureblood-pureblood offspring (having a greater chance to be AY) because remember when Enria mentions that radiation could just as easily be used to randomize asari genetics as mating with non-asari?



I agree it's a recessive trait, and PB-PB matings mean less randomization of the second DNA strand and thus a greater chance for the AY gene to be expressed.

[Pacifien]

I think the best explanation for why Liara wouldn't bring it up would be that it is actually so incredibly rare, it's practically the stuff of legends. Even the name "Ardat-Yakshi" implies some legendary status. So that said, it's not something your typical asari would think about when it comes to the social mores of mating.

However, since Samara produced nothing but Ardat-Yakshi and such asari are only known to come from pureblood mothers, I'm sure Samara every day questions if somehow it is her fault. Her fault for being pureblood. It doesn't have to be true or make sense, but I think Samara's guilt on the matter overrides sense.

Modifié par Pacifien, 28 mai 2010 - 03:45 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Pacifien wrote...
It also states that even if an Ardat-Yakshi was not a murderer, she'd likely still be exploitative and abusive throughout her short life as she lacks the ability to empathize. Given how the asari try to keep knowledge of this genetic defect out of greater galactic public knowledge, this theory they don't empathize is either propaganda or true. If true, we're talking true psychopaths from birth.

I'd like to think its just propaganda (mostly because that makes trying to write morinth easier on my part) but also because it paints AY as monsters, so people don't question their treatment. They may well have trouble empathizing with a world they have no stake in, because said world has singled them out as a "monster" before they even do anything. Doesn't mean they can't empathize. But what's the point if everyone judges you as a 'monster'?

I need a different word...*sigh*

The other thought, weirdly enough, is that I wouldn't be all that surprised if it was just propaganda.

To me women have a larger capacity for cruelty, spite, maliciousness etc - and the whole damn species is female. (if we ignore the arguements about their gender...)

[jlb524]

yorkj86 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It doesn't make sense why a pureblood would have an increased chance to have an AY child, unless it's just a cheap way for them to justify the reason asari shouldn't breed with one another. In ME1, Liara presented a purely social reason why they shouldn't ('oh, asari think it's not acceptable to breed with another, but this has no basis in scientific fact. They just think it's better for the race to bring in diversity and blah blah blah'). In ME2, they tried to introduce a biological basis with this AY stuff.

Why wouldn't Liara have mentioned this in ME1? 'Oh by the way Shepard, our offspring could potentially become a mad serial killer'.

Canonically, the Ardat-Yakshi didn't exist in ME1.   They were fabricated for ME2 to  (I  think)  make the Asari appear to be less-perfect.  Now, Liara's child with Shepard could be an AY.  Heck, Liara could have been an AY herself in ME1.

Liara wasn't, though, because my Shepard would be dead if she was

Benezia wasn't a pureblood, that we know of.   Liara could give birth to an AY, of course.

I still think they added it to give a 'biological' basis for the adversion to asari/asari pairings....Samara says as much.

[jlb524]

yorkj86 wrote...

@Kudara,

That's weird, it's not letting me quote you.

The same happened when I quoted you...my post was lost in some untitled thread!  Glitchy forums!

Anyway, if the Asari are so keen with using radiation with their genetics, then Asari-Asari pairings should just radiation treatment and let the social stigma wither and die.   As if it would be that simple, of course.

Does the AY condition then arise because another asari, during the meld, could produce a more intense 'biotic/radiation' field than other species?  Could an individual asari not control this then?

[NICKjnp]

AshiraShepard wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

I bring you->
*snip*

the look on both their faces is adorably intimidating =D

My manshep doesn't need heavy weapons.... he is the heavy weapon.

One) Adorably intimidating is hard to pull off, but awesome

Two) Argh! ManShep! It burns! *crumbles into dust*

Must...resist...urge...to make...obligatory...Shepard Thread...in group...

I'm a man so my Shepard is a manshep.
You are a woman so your Shepard is a femshep.
My Shepard, who is an manshep and adept, needs no heavy weapon.  He (being and adept) is the heavy weapon.  He woops harbingers ass with his biotics alone.
If your femshep was an adept then she wouldn't need heavy weapons.  She would be the heavy weapon.

[Ashira Shepard]

York...that conjures up a very welcoming but utterly fatal image to me...



Oh god: Fatal Attraction...



Think they have rabbits in Asari space?

[jlb524]

NICKjnp wrote...

I'm a man so my Shepard is a manshep.
You are a woman so your Shepard is a femshep.
My Shepard, who is an manshep and adept, needs no heavy weapon.  He (being and adept) is the heavy weapon.  He woops harbingers ass with his biotics alone.
If your femshep was an adept then she wouldn't need heavy weapons.  She would be the heavy weapon.

I concur...adepts pwn all.

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
I don't think they're psychopaths from birth.  The Ardat-Yakshi gene expresses itself at the Maiden stage, at which point it's too late to deal with, anyway.  That means that there's no cure.

I base that solely on whether or not they can truly empathize. An inability to empathize is a classic psychopathic trait. The Illusive Man, many politicians, and some corporate CEOs can be declared true psychopaths based on the medical definition of the term.

You bring up a good point that it takes awhile for an asari to express the Ardat-Yakshi traits, which I'm assuming is really the asari puberty when they develop sexual desire. I'm not sure what signs they're looking for other than the person frying the mind of her first sexual partner; I would hope there's some other change in their behavior before it comes to that.

[jlb524]

yorkj86 wrote...

I don't think the Asari generate radiation during reproduction.   I meant using radiation treatment on the fetus, or whatever the process entails.

What the heck happens then?  Asari reproduction is a confusing topic

It's fun to debate, though.  BW simple paragraph in the codex raises more questions than provides answers.

I guess I meant that the 'nervous system linking magic' that occurs between two asari could possibly be more intesense than with a non-asari, and could be the reason for this AY condition.