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I assumed the whole reason for them fabricating it was mainly for the "Morinth" character.
Morinth definitely makes the Asari appear to be less perfect, and certainly flawed.
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Morinth definitely makes the Asari appear to be less perfect, and certainly flawed.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:01
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yorkj86 wrote...
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Liara wasn't, though, because my Shepard would be dead if she was
Benezia wasn't a pureblood, that we know of. Liara could give birth to an AY, of course.
I still think they added it to give a 'biological' basis for the adversion to asari/asari pairings....Samara says as much.
That Benezia wasn't a Pureblood doesn't matter(?). That she mated with another Asari to produce Liara, which makes Liara a pureblood, is the matter, because it could have made Liara an Ardat-Yakshi.
I know that Liara can't be an AY, because she didn't microwave Shepard's brain in ME1, but she could have been according to ME2 canon.
Unless ME2 never actually happened, and the events were just imagined by Shepard in his last few moments of life after Liara microwaved his brain in ME1, and the galaxy is actually doomed...
With Liara being the pureblood and her mother (and mother-father) being presumable non-purebloods then Liara might cary the trait to make an Ardat-Yakshi. If one of Liara's parents were purebloods then Liara might have been an Ardat-Yakshi.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:02
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I thought that purebloods birthed AY, not that they could became them? OK, now I'm confusing myself.
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and the whole damn species is female. (if we ignore the arguements about their gender...)
did you just open up another can of asari genetic pow wows? oh noes!
*flies away*
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
So you don't think that the codex stating the AY's inability to empathize, precludes the onset at Maiden stage?yorkj86 wrote...
I think 1% means Asari who are Ardat-Yakshi and Asari who are not Ardat-Yakshi but who carry the Ardat-Yakshi gene. This implies that a very significant portion of the Asari do not possess any AY-enabling genetic material. It is, essentially, a self-correcting recessive trait that unfortunately makes the individual Asari murderous and extremely powerful.
I don't think they're psychopaths from birth. The Ardat-Yakshi gene expresses itself at the Maiden stage, at which point it's too late to deal with, anyway. That means that there's no cure.
I don't know, given the information that I have.
We know that Morinth was very resentful of her mother because she attempted to inspire in her a strict sense of duty, morality and responsibility. Are psychopaths incapable of understanding the purposes of duty and morality and responsibility?
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:04
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Maybe we should stop talking about Asari genetics, because now I have a headache, not that I wasn't expecting it. 
I brought it upon myself.
I brought it upon myself.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:04
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7Makaveli wrote...
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and the whole damn species is female. (if we ignore the arguements about their gender...)
did you just open up another can of asari genetic pow wows? oh noes!
*flies away*
What? They look female enough...
Its not like Valefor from Final Fantasy X. I only knew the damn thing was female because they slapped a pair of boobs on its chest.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:05
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I thought that purebloods birthed AY, not that they could became them? OK, now I'm confusing myself.
A pureblood mother with the AY trait births Ardat-Yakshi. Ardat-Yakshi themselves are sterile. Samara is a pureblood. Any daughters she has (regardless of with another Asari or with a member of another species) will be Ardat-Yakshi.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:06
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yorkj86 wrote...
Maybe we should stop talking about Asari genetics, because now I have a headache, not that I wasn't expecting it.
Just look into those beautiful eyes and all your problems shall fade away...
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NICKjnp wrote...
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I thought that purebloods birthed AY, not that they could became them? OK, now I'm confusing myself.
A pureblood mother with the AY trait births Ardat-Yakshi. Ardat-Yakshi themselves are sterile. Samara is a pureblood. Any daughters she has (regardless of with another Asari or with a member of another species) will be Ardat-Yakshi.
OK, I'm less confuzzled. Thanks!
I still wonder why a pureblood is more likely to carry the AY trait than non-purebloods.
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Oooh psychopath talk. this is up my alley (as weird as that sounds) =D
I think the symptoms for personality don't necessarily emerge with the actual manifestation of the malady, but in congruence with the events that occur after. First the initial discovery, which may not even be detected if the Asari doesn't visit with the doctor regularly. It could be during an intimate encounter with a loved one, imagine how traumatizing that could be. Then the realization that you have to live with this sickness, and seclude yourself from society. Everything and everyone you cared for is ripped away. Yes, something in one's mind must be knocking at the person during this saying "why deal with this? there is a reason this happened blah blah, embellish it, you're different, be you". Thus, somewhat justifying subsequent act of running away, but the rest of it is just survival instinct. Using what you have when you're out on your own is your best means to survive then.
I think the symptoms for personality don't necessarily emerge with the actual manifestation of the malady, but in congruence with the events that occur after. First the initial discovery, which may not even be detected if the Asari doesn't visit with the doctor regularly. It could be during an intimate encounter with a loved one, imagine how traumatizing that could be. Then the realization that you have to live with this sickness, and seclude yourself from society. Everything and everyone you cared for is ripped away. Yes, something in one's mind must be knocking at the person during this saying "why deal with this? there is a reason this happened blah blah, embellish it, you're different, be you". Thus, somewhat justifying subsequent act of running away, but the rest of it is just survival instinct. Using what you have when you're out on your own is your best means to survive then.
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I am not sure about responsibility, but psychopaths are characterized as lacking empathy with amoral conduct.yorkj86 wrote...
JohnnyDollar wrote...
So you don't think that the codex stating the AY's inability to empathize, precludes the onset at Maiden stage?yorkj86 wrote...
I think 1% means Asari who are Ardat-Yakshi and Asari who are not Ardat-Yakshi but who carry the Ardat-Yakshi gene. This implies that a very significant portion of the Asari do not possess any AY-enabling genetic material. It is, essentially, a self-correcting recessive trait that unfortunately makes the individual Asari murderous and extremely powerful.
I don't think they're psychopaths from birth. The Ardat-Yakshi gene expresses itself at the Maiden stage, at which point it's too late to deal with, anyway. That means that there's no cure.
I don't know, given the information that I have.
We know that Morinth was very resentful of her mother because she attempted to inspire in her a strict sense of duty, morality and responsibility. Are psychopaths incapable of understanding the purposes of duty and morality and responsibility?
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:11
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To facilitate unit cohesion we will stop discussing this topic.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:12
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AshiraShepard wrote...
7Makaveli wrote...
AshiraShepard wrote...
and the whole damn species is female. (if we ignore the arguements about their gender...)
did you just open up another can of asari genetic pow wows? oh noes!
*flies away*
What? They look female enough...
Its not like Valefor from Final Fantasy X. I only knew the damn thing was female because they slapped a pair of boobs on its chest.
Don't tell that to Priestly and the boys, unless you want a fascinating display in circular logic =D
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It happens everytime. NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION!yorkj86 wrote...
Maybe we should stop talking about Asari genetics, because now I have a headache, not that I wasn't expecting it.
The information that we do have, contradicts itself.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:14
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
It happens everytime. NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION!yorkj86 wrote...
Maybe we should stop talking about Asari genetics, because now I have a headache, not that I wasn't expecting it.
The information that we do have, contradicts itself.
I do wish the devs would clarify it, though. Wishful thinking!
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:15
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I don't mind discussing the stuff tho, if we want stuff to talk about in here then a lot of this is pretty substantial. We just have to remember to not take ourselves too seriously
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:15
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I was wondering if the neural frying only results from an Ardat-Yakshi initiating the meld.
I say this because I had this whole theory (that I may or may not have read somewhere on this forum and then further developed in my own mind) that asari mothers have a melding bond with their children, and that it's a critical element of the development process. But if something about the Ardat-Yakshi's brain interferes with the melding process, they don't develop properly, leading toward their lack of empathy toward others.
The theory kind of fell apart when I thought if that were the case, you'd think an asari would be discovered to be an Ardat-Yakshi by her parent sooner.
I say this because I had this whole theory (that I may or may not have read somewhere on this forum and then further developed in my own mind) that asari mothers have a melding bond with their children, and that it's a critical element of the development process. But if something about the Ardat-Yakshi's brain interferes with the melding process, they don't develop properly, leading toward their lack of empathy toward others.
The theory kind of fell apart when I thought if that were the case, you'd think an asari would be discovered to be an Ardat-Yakshi by her parent sooner.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:17
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*goes back to figuring out some of the 5000 sutras*
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Trying to make sense of Asari genetics is like trying to build a castle in a swamp. The bricks are of a poor quality, and the spackle doesn't hold, and the wood is filled with termites, and all of your efforts to put things together are just sinking in to the muck anyway.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:17
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7Makaveli wrote...
Oooh psychopath talk. this is up my alley (as weird as that sounds) =D
I think the symptoms for personality don't necessarily emerge with the actual manifestation of the malady, but in congruence with the events that occur after. First the initial discovery, which may not even be detected if the Asari doesn't visit with the doctor regularly. It could be during an intimate encounter with a loved one, imagine how traumatizing that could be. Then the realization that you have to live with this sickness, and seclude yourself from society. Everything and everyone you cared for is ripped away. Yes, something in one's mind must be knocking at the person during this saying "why deal with this? there is a reason this happened blah blah, embellish it, you're different, be you". Thus, somewhat justifying subsequent act of running away, but the rest of it is just survival instinct. Using what you have when you're out on your own is your best means to survive then.
That's kind of what I plan to do with Morinth, have a "moment" near the end, similar to a scene in the anime "Elfen Lied" (f*cking disturbing btw) where the main character is faced with her "inner demon" or rather the genocidal side of her split personality after an emotionally shattering moment where she's urged to "give in, embrace me - let us tear this world asunder! And never again feel such pain..." or that was the gist of it anyway.
But the character gave in and well...the Anime is very violent and bloody. very.
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But, not all Samara's AY children are sociopaths, correct? The other two accept their fate and go into hiding, for the betterment of others.
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Pacifien wrote...
I was wondering if the neural frying only results from an Ardat-Yakshi initiating the meld.
I say this because I had this whole theory (that I may or may not have read somewhere on this forum and then further developed in my own mind) that asari mothers have a melding bond with their children, and that it's a critical element of the development process. But if something about the Ardat-Yakshi's brain interferes with the melding process, they don't develop properly, leading toward their lack of empathy toward others.
The theory kind of fell apart when I thought if that were the case, you'd think an asari would be discovered to be an Ardat-Yakshi by her parent sooner.
I think the brain-microwaving capabilities of an AY only turn on when the Asari reached the Maiden stage, so the mother and father are safe from being killed by their own child. Mind-joining between a parent and her child after the Maiden stage is probably weird for the Asari.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:20
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*goes back to figuring out some of the 5000 sutras*
We've started a thread for it in the group if you seen it, and you could say we're making some headway lol.
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But, not all Samara's AY children are sociopaths, correct? The other two accept their fate and go into hiding, for the betterment of others.
That depends upon whether or not AY are genetically predisposed towards sociopathy.
