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[Ashira Shepard]

Those choices don't always have a "paragon" esque thinking behind it. Sometimes people are just too afraid to do anything other than accept what's happening.

[7Makaveli]

Pacifien wrote...

I was wondering if the neural frying only results from an Ardat-Yakshi initiating the meld.
I say this because I had this whole theory (that I may or may not have read somewhere on this forum and then further developed in my own mind) that asari mothers have a melding bond with their children, and that it's a critical element of the development process. But if something about the Ardat-Yakshi's brain interferes with the melding process, they don't develop properly, leading toward their lack of empathy toward others.
The theory kind of fell apart when I thought if that were the case, you'd think an asari would be discovered to be an Ardat-Yakshi by her parent sooner.

I also wonder if the mind meld has to be in the sexual sense, or just any mind meld would do. If its the latter, it would be highly disturbing knowing that Morinth wishes to give her victims one last bit of great pleasure, almost like a tease, before ending them.

[jlb524]

yorkj86 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

But, not all Samara's AY children are sociopaths, correct? The other two accept their fate and go into hiding, for the betterment of others.

That depends upon whether or not AY are genetically predisposed towards sociopathy.

Right, or it could be more of a social factor....if one is treated as an outcast one can become one.  Morinth was the eldest child, correct?

[NICKjnp]

jlb524 wrote...

But, not all Samara's AY children are sociopaths, correct? The other two accept their fate and go into hiding, for the betterment of others.

We know that they are Ardat-Yakshi.  It seems that the more an Ardat-Yakshi mates the more they want to mate.  It's like heroin.... once you start you can't stop.  So if her other children started to mate then they would end up being like Morinth (who can't stop now).

Modifié par NICKjnp, 28 mai 2010 - 04:34 .

[7Makaveli]

AshiraShepard wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

Oooh psychopath talk. this is up my alley (as weird as that sounds) =D

I think the symptoms for personality don't necessarily emerge with the actual manifestation of the malady, but in congruence with the events that occur after. First the initial discovery, which may not even be detected if the Asari doesn't visit with the doctor regularly. It could be during an intimate encounter with a loved one, imagine how traumatizing that could be. Then the realization that you have to live with this sickness, and seclude yourself from society. Everything and everyone you cared for is ripped away. Yes, something in one's mind must be knocking at the person during this saying "why deal with this? there is a reason this happened blah blah, embellish it, you're different, be you". Thus, somewhat justifying subsequent act of running away, but the rest of it is just survival instinct. Using what you have when you're out on your own is your best means to survive then.

That's kind of what I plan to do with Morinth, have a "moment" near the end, similar to a scene in the anime "Elfen Lied" (f*cking disturbing btw) where the main character is faced with her "inner demon" or rather the genocidal side of her split personality after an emotionally shattering moment where she's urged to "give in, embrace me - let us tear this world asunder! And never again feel such pain..." or that was the gist of it anyway.

But the character gave in and well...the Anime is very violent and bloody. very.

Is your 'Fic coming along? I like how its set up so far, and look forward to seeing how you gradually unravel the inner workings of Morinth's psyche. Something tells me its gonne be ugly tho

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

But, not all Samara's AY children are sociopaths, correct? The other two accept their fate and go into hiding, for the betterment of others.

That depends upon whether or not AY are genetically predisposed towards sociopathy.

Right, or it could be more of a social factor....if one is treated as an outcast one can become one.  Morinth was the eldest child, correct?

I don't know?   I  don't remember Samara talking about their ages, just that she's the most proud of  Morinth.

Yes, I think the psychopathic development is more from social influences. And I'm not talking kids in a playgroung yelling "you're an ardat yakshi, na na nana na", I'm thinking less privelages, impulsive stares from the left and right, prejudice, pity, you know serious stuff. I also think this may tie into why Samara is proud of her,, maybe she saw Morinth deal with the worst of this and break through. Putting herself in Morinths shoes I'm sure she has found an understanding as to why she acted this way. Obviously not what she did afterwards tho.

[jlb524]

That's why I wondered if Morinth was the eldest...Samara, as a mother, would have learned from the things that happened to a young Morinth and would have been better prepared to help her other daughters get through these 'social' specific troubles.

[Pacifien]

7Makaveli wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
*goes back to figuring out some of the 5000 sutras*

We've started a thread for it in the group if you seen it, and you could say we're making some headway lol.

First thing I have to keep in mind is that the sutras have to apply to asari society, preferably going back to pre-spacefaring. Then I have to wonder about every single situation a Justicar might find herself such that they'd have a sutra that handles it.

What sutra handles a situation like Bringing Down the Sky, where a terrorist will kill the hostages if you attempt to kill the terrorist? Also, if you had thwarted a terrorist's plot, then they have only attempted to murder without actually following through with the act, so then do you go after the hostages to ensure there is 0% casualty on the side of innocents?

I suppose her story about Nihlus would indicate if a murderer goes free so you can save an innocent, one who attempted murder would also go free so you can save an innocent.

And then I'm leaning heavily on punishments that seem to hinge on someone death. How does a Justicar handle the corrupt? What do you do if the politician's aides were corrupt, putting the politician's name on their corrupt dealings, but the politician herself was an innocent party? Do you punish the politician for not realizing the corruption happening in her name, as would certainly happen with the Turians?

It's like I can't even start on these sutras until I've come up with 5000 situations that would warrant a Justicar in the first place. Why is there no emoticon for "ARGH?"

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
Trying to make sense of Asari genetics is like trying to build a castle in a swamp. The bricks are of a poor quality, and the spackle doesn't hold, and the wood is filled with termites, and all of your efforts to put things together are just sinking in to the muck anyway.

You go in circles.

And Asari really do have magic!

[jlb524]

I wish they'd write a book just on asari genetics/history/culture...I'd buy it.

[7Makaveli]

NICKjnp wrote...

Garrus: LOOK!

Shepard: In the sky

Grunt: Its a bird

Garrus: Its a ship

Kasumi: Its a plant!

Shepard: No, its JUSTICAR!

[Ashira Shepard]

Now if someone could just photoshop a superman esque "J" onto her chest...

[NICKjnp]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Now if someone could just photoshop a superman esque "J" onto her chest...

[7Makaveli]

Pacifien wrote...

First thing I have to keep in mind is that the sutras have to apply to asari society, preferably going back to pre-spacefaring. Then I have to wonder about every single situation a Justicar might find herself such that they'd have a sutra that handles it.

What sutra handles a situation like Bringing Down the Sky, where a terrorist will kill the hostages if you attempt to kill the terrorist? Also, if you had thwarted a terrorist's plot, then they have only attempted to murder without actually following through with the act, so then do you go after the hostages to ensure there is 0% casualty on the side of innocents?

I suppose her story about Nihlus would indicate if a murderer goes free so you can save an innocent, one who attempted murder would also go free so you can save an innocent.

And then I'm leaning heavily on punishments that seem to hinge on someone death. How does a Justicar handle the corrupt? What do you do if the politician's aides were corrupt, putting the politician's name on their corrupt dealings, but the politician herself was an innocent party? Do you punish the politician for not realizing the corruption happening in her name, as would certainly happen with the Turians?

It's like I can't even start on these sutras until I've come up with 5000 situations that would warrant a Justicar in the first place. Why is there no emoticon for "ARGH?"

- Number 1 I think it has to define a "Black & White Threshold". A moment where an action or a series of actions can no longer be solved using regular Asari diplomacy or correction. It is at that moment that all the 4999 other sutras can be applied specifically. So I think this just has to be a very broad statement about the philosophy of the Code as it pertains to when duty is in full effect for the Justicar.

So yea dude....start from there

[Ashira Shepard]

So far we have 13 Sutras...I've listed them on the first post of the Code thread...



And to that Jacob picture...



MY EYES! *clutches them and falls to knees* THEY'RE BLEEDING! *bursts into flames*

[NICKjnp]

AshiraShepard wrote...

So far we have 13 Sutras...I've listed them on the first post of the Code thread...

And to that Jacob picture...

MY EYES! *clutches them and falls to knees* THEY'RE BLEEDING! *bursts into flames*

Where is the "code" thread?

[Ashira Shepard]

http://social.biowar...iscussion/7792/

[7Makaveli]

AshiraShepard wrote...

MY EYES! *clutches them and falls to knees* THEY'RE BLEEDING! *bursts into flames*

Wait Ashira No! Before you spontaneously combust, I need copies of your fanfics so I can sell them, get rich, and retire.

muhahaha

/crude humor

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 28 mai 2010 - 04:57 .

[7Makaveli]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

But, not all Samara's AY children are sociopaths, correct? The other two accept their fate and go into hiding, for the betterment of others.

That depends upon whether or not AY are genetically predisposed towards sociopathy.

Another possible contradiction with the codex.

What does the codex say about sociopathy? If it implies that it is genetic, then that would be absurd.