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[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

Yeah, you're probably right.  The Asari merc doesn't even fight back with her biotics.  That's just another reason why she could have been switched out for a non-Asari.   I guess Bioware just had the merc as an Asari because Asari are the most populous species on Illium.

That, and also they probably saw it fit that it was an Asari that helped Morinth escaped. Even though she targets a human on Omega to kill, I think Morinth may have a particular cold demeanor towards her own race and abuse them moreso, what with all the rejection and all. But yea, I don't think her killing a human would be a good first impression lol. A turian or Salarian even, just cause they look so helpless. And It would give the situation more wieght. Instead, "oh hi Justicar, I'm an officer and am gonna arrest you cause my boss said so, even though I know you probably won't agree comply" >_>

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 29 mai 2010 - 02:32 .

[Pacifien]

yorkj86 wrote...
Dominant gene?  Doesn't that effect its prevalence in the general Asari gene-pool?  How could the Asari have managed to remain a viable species before they met alien species?

There are quite a lot of detrimental dominant genes in the human species. The gene for polydactyly is also a dominant gene, but most humans stay with the five finger norm.

[Kudara]

Still the point was that just because a harmful mutation is dominant doesn't mean that your necessarily going to see it start expressing itself left and right.

Edit:  I'm a bit confused by the Amish remark too

Modifié par Kudara, 29 mai 2010 - 02:57 .

[Kudara]

yorkj86 wrote...

Between Shepard and Samara, who would be Elwood, and who would be Jake?

Who is Elwood and who is Jake?

[Kudara]

Oh my thats been quite a few years since I saw that, no wonder it didn't ring a bell.



Um I can't really see Samara as either.

[Pacifien]

Kudara wrote...
Still the point was that just because a harmful mutation is dominant doesn't mean that your necessarily going to see it start expressing itself left and right.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was going for. Just because it's dominant doesn't mean it's going to be prevalent in the population. Particularly since Ardat-Yakshi are sterile.

I wonder if Samara would always have Ardat-Yakshi children no matter who her other partner is... I wonder what became of the father(s).

Anyway, even if she could have non-Ardat-Yakshi with a different father and she was still matron, I doubt she'd ever have other children. Too much guilt over what happened with the first three.

Oh, and I wonder if another asari would have Ardat-Yakshi children if Samara had been the father.

[7Makaveli]

Pacifien wrote...

Kudara wrote...
Still the point was that just because a harmful mutation is dominant doesn't mean that your necessarily going to see it start expressing itself left and right.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was going for. Just because it's dominant doesn't mean it's going to be prevalent in the population. Particularly since Ardat-Yakshi are sterile.

I wonder if Samara would always have Ardat-Yakshi children no matter who her other partner is... I wonder what became of the father(s).

Anyway, even if she could have non-Ardat-Yakshi with a different father and she was still matron, I doubt she'd ever have other children. Too much guilt over what happened with the first three.

Oh, and I wonder if another asari would have Ardat-Yakshi children if Samara had been the father.

Yes "dominant = expressive" is the most common misunderstanding when it comes to genetics. There are some strange genes that serve negatory purposes to us which are dominant, which doesn't correspond with the notion that these genes usually aren't expressed.

I get the feeling Samara's husband doesn't take much responsibility for the condition of their daughters, which probably made the decision for "hands on" Samara easier.

Samara: "Fine, if you will not concern yourself with these matters, it is your choice, but I cannot stand by and let Morinth run loose and inflict these horrors on our people"

Husband:"What are going to do exactly? You're not gonna be able to find her easily, she may even leave Asari space eventually. And when you do find her and she refuses to stop, then what?"

Samara:"I will do what the Code compels me to do"

Husband:"Code? You're gonna become a Justicar? Have you even thought this through? It's impossible to pass training"

Samara:"It is the only honest path I see. I am not seeking your approval. Consider this our parting of ways"

*flies away*





...k that flying part was a joke lol =D

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 29 mai 2010 - 03:54 .

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

Yes "dominant = expressive" is the most common misunderstanding when it comes to genetics. There are some strange genes that serve negatory purposes to us which are dominant, which doesn't correspond with the notion that these genes usually aren't expressed.

I get the feeling Samara's husband doesn't take much responsibility for the condition of their daughters, which probably made the decision for "hands on" Samara easier.

Samara: "Fine, if you will not concern yourself with these matters, it is your choice, but I cannot stand by and let Morinth run loose and inflict these horrors on our people"

Husband:"What are going to do exactly? You're not gonna be able to find her easily, she may even leave Asari space eventually. And when you do find her and she refuses to stop, then what?"

Samara:"I will do what the Code compels me to do"

Husband:"Code? You're gonna become a Justicar? Have you even thought this through? It's impossible to pass training"

Samara:"It is the only honest path I see. I am not seeking your approval. Consider this our parting of ways"

*flies away*





...k that flying part was a joke lol =D

Samara would fly away!    *Woosh!*

Yea prolly, but her biotics not being that great yet, she may get tired real fast.

*lands*

Samara:[to herself] oh, why did I have to show off...now I'm nauseous

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

What the Asari says here in this picture has always frustrated me in trying to understand Asari genetics.  How much control do they have over the randomization process?    If it's significant, do they even use the dominant-recessive genetic binary?    If it's significant, why can't they just randomize the AY  gene right out of the equation?

Like almost all Asari, Blue Rose of Illium is real purrrrdy =D


oh what were you saying? oh yea that is one of the lines that sticks out to me. and it brings up the thing about how much control do they have during melding. do they just go in (ehm...figuratively) and say "ooh this is nice, would look nice along with my hips on ma daughter ^_^"

[NICKjnp]

Again.... Samara carries the trait that makes Ardat-Yakshi. She supplies both chromosomes to make an Ardat-Yakshi child. It doesn't matter if she mates with an Asari or with an Alien (Turian, Human, Krogan, Salrian, Hanar, Volus). Her children will always be Ardat-Yakshi. Shepard (no matter how much we want it) will never have a normal child with Samara. Furthermore... It is possible that Liara's children would be Ardat-Yakshi.

[7Makaveli]

NICKjnp wrote...

Again.... Samara carries the trait that makes Ardat-Yakshi. She supplies both chromosomes to make an Ardat-Yakshi child. It doesn't matter if she mates with an Asari or with an Alien (Turian, Human, Krogan, Salrian, Hanar, Volus). Her children will always be Ardat-Yakshi. Shepard (no matter how much we want it) will never have a normal child with Samara. Furthermore... It is possible that Liara's children would be Ardat-Yakshi.

I agree with everything, but why do you think Liara might have AY? Is it just cause its possible like for any other Asari that is a pureblood? Cause even with purebloods, its still highly unlikely. I want the AY disease to stay away from Liara, she already has a case of writer's block >_>

[Auzden]

i wish samara would get the cool black eyes sometime

[Pacifien]

I think it takes a great deal of discipline for an asari not to lose herself in the melding. But I think it'd be a very hard concept for any human to understand unless they experienced it themselves, which we can't. I mean, imagine weaving your entire mind with that of another. Where do your memories end and the other person begins? If the two nervous systems are like one entity during the process, your feelings aren't necessarily yours.

I think an asari who isn't well practiced as the melding process would need to meditate afterwards just to regain her sense of self and to compartmentalize whatever information she has just received from her partner.

Because a melding could potentially be so invasive, I imagine that's why it's not necessarily a part of every sexual encounter with an asari. Or perhaps there are different levels of control to the melding process, like an asari would only meld so far that the feelings can be shared between two partners, but not the memories.

Anyway, we have no information on how an asari's body becomes ready to produce a child. Is it some force of will on the part of the mother? Is there a very specific element to the melding process that is needed? Is it like a cycle the asari go through, giving them a specific timeframe where if they meld, there's a potential for a child to come of it? All we know is that they need a second partner to start the process.

Anyway, when it does come to randomize the DNA, I can't imagine the asari have conscious control of how it is done. This would imply the asari could alter their DNA to create their perfect daughters.

[7Makaveli]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I haven't researched how Bioware has handled this ME story.

I would have assumed that Bioware had the basic story and the framework for the  trilogy at the beginning of this. If they did, they seem to have trouble making it hold up to light scrutiny.

With the retcons and inconsistencies that we have seen so far, it makes it look as if their initial plan wasn't very pervasive.

I think the development team is drastically different than that of ME1. Don't hold me to that but that's how it seems to me. I used this analogy before but its like Dragonball Z compared to Dragonball GT. The latter was made by a different team and as a result the fans didn't respond the same and it was cancelled. Not saying there going down this route at all. But you can't have different people complete a conceptual narrative that someone else started, it doesn't turn out consistent. Not to sound bitter at all tho, this is still a highly entertaining game. The choice to focus on characters is both a blessing and a curse. They dug a hole and built a whole new foundation. Characters like Samara, Jack , and Thane are great additions to the ME world. We're just going to have to put some blind faith in there and hang on.