It's possible that Liara will have an AY child, but I think people are forgetting that only 1% of the Asari population is on the AY spectrum. That is an absolutely microscopic number of AY who are AY themselves, or who carry the AY gene but don't express it.
I'm also not entirely convinced that an Asari who is confirmed to carry the AY gene but who doesn't express it must necessarily have an AY+ child if she doesn't have a child with a non-Asari. Lore says one thing, logic says another, and I may have to abandon logic when things can be revised from one game to the next,and when we still don't actually know if Asari use genetics similar to ours in their reproduction.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 04:57
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I think it takes a great deal of discipline for an asari not to lose herself in the melding. But I think it'd be a very hard concept for any human to understand unless they experienced it themselves, which we can't. I mean, imagine weaving your entire mind with that of another. Where do your memories end and the other person begins? If the two nervous systems are like one entity during the process, your feelings aren't necessarily yours.
I think an asari who isn't well practiced as the melding process would need to meditate afterwards just to regain her sense of self and to compartmentalize whatever information she has just received from her partner.
Because a melding could potentially be so invasive, I imagine that's why it's not necessarily a part of every sexual encounter with an asari. Or perhaps there are different levels of control to the melding process, like an asari would only meld so far that the feelings can be shared between two partners, but not the memories.
Anyway, we have no information on how an asari's body becomes ready to produce a child. Is it some force of will on the part of the mother? Is there a very specific element to the melding process that is needed? Is it like a cycle the asari go through, giving them a specific timeframe where if they meld, there's a potential for a child to come of it? All we know is that they need a second partner to start the process.
Anyway, when it does come to randomize the DNA, I can't imagine the asari have conscious control of how it is done. This would imply the asari could alter their DNA to create their perfect daughters.
What we know from ME1 makes it seem as if the Asari can do with their minds what it takes the world's best scientists decades to do - They can identify which genes do what, arrange them so that they're expressed, and then pass that second set of genetic information on to the fetus. Mary-Sues indeed.
What we know from ME2 makes it seem as if the whole process is just randomization. What's the point of organizing the cards in a deck of cards if you're just going to shuffle them before the start of a game?
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7Makaveli wrote...
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Again.... Samara carries the trait that makes Ardat-Yakshi. She supplies both chromosomes to make an Ardat-Yakshi child. It doesn't matter if she mates with an Asari or with an Alien (Turian, Human, Krogan, Salrian, Hanar, Volus). Her children will always be Ardat-Yakshi. Shepard (no matter how much we want it) will never have a normal child with Samara. Furthermore... It is possible that Liara's children would be Ardat-Yakshi.
I agree with everything, but why do you think Liara might have AY? Is it just cause its possible like for any other Asari that is a pureblood? Cause even with purebloods, its still highly unlikely. I want the AY disease to stay away from Liara, she already has a case of writer's block >_>
Any pureblood has the possibility of carrying the gene (perhaps it is similar to how pure breed dogs are predisposed to having hip problems because there genetics are so close where as muts don't have problems). What people are failing to reaize is that it isn't Morinth and her sisters who have the gene. It is Samara who has the genetic problem. All Samara's daughters will be Ardat-Yakshi as a result of Samara having the AY gene.
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Okay, Samara is an AY carrier, but then that would mean Samara's mother was also an AY carrier or randomized her DNA to the point where her non-AY genes then became AY carrier genes. If the latter, that would imply the AY carrier gene is a random event, somehow brought out only by pureblood pairings.NICKjnp wrote...
Again.... Samara carries the trait that makes Ardat-Yakshi. She supplies both chromosomes to make an Ardat-Yakshi child. It doesn't matter if she mates with an Asari or with an Alien (Turian, Human, Krogan, Salrian, Hanar, Volus). Her children will always be Ardat-Yakshi. Shepard (no matter how much we want it) will never have a normal child with Samara. Furthermore... It is possible that Liara's children would be Ardat-Yakshi.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 05:02
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I never have been crazy about the Asari eyes turning black myself. Seems to give me a faint impression of diabolism.Auzden wrote...
i wish samara would get the cool black eyes sometime
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Pacifien wrote...
Okay, Samara is an AY carrier, but then that would mean Samara's mother was also an AY carrier or randomized her DNA to the point where her non-AY genes then became AY carrier genes. If the latter, that would imply the AY carrier gene is a random event, somehow brought out only by pureblood pairings.NICKjnp wrote...
Again.... Samara carries the trait that makes Ardat-Yakshi. She supplies both chromosomes to make an Ardat-Yakshi child. It doesn't matter if she mates with an Asari or with an Alien (Turian, Human, Krogan, Salrian, Hanar, Volus). Her children will always be Ardat-Yakshi. Shepard (no matter how much we want it) will never have a normal child with Samara. Furthermore... It is possible that Liara's children would be Ardat-Yakshi.
It seems to indicate that the AY gene springs up randomly (very rarely) from the mating of two Asari. It doesn't need to be a gene that an Asari has inherited. It is a random thing that happens when two asari mate. That is why on purebloods are AY gene carriers.
Liara's squad power is Plot Armor. It means she is the only squadmate between both games that can not die.
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I think it may be the opposite, that it is harder for them to actually lose themselves and engage the other persons consciousness fully. The first mind meld with Liara, she says that it was quite debilitating. I took that as saying it requires more strength mentally and physically for her to unravel Shepards memories, and being somewhat of a recluse and not practicing enough, she wasn't formidable enough to breakthrough further. This is all speculation like anything here, but some food for thought.
I think it may be the opposite, that it is harder for them to actually lose themselves and engage the other persons consciousness fully. The first mind meld with Liara, she says that it was quite debilitating. I took that as saying it requires more strength mentally and physically for her to unravel Shepards memories, and being somewhat of a recluse and not practicing enough, she wasn't formidable enough to breakthrough further. This is all speculation like anything here, but some food for thought.
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I never have been crazy the Asari eyes turning black myself. Seems to give me a faint impression of diabolism.Auzden wrote...
i wish samara would get the cool black eyes sometime
I like to think Samara's turn reddish/pink =D
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Like I said, I haven't researched it, but what you said sounds like an objective assessment that I tend to favor if that is indeed the case.7Makaveli wrote...
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I haven't researched how Bioware has handled this ME story.
I would have assumed that Bioware had the basic story and the framework for the trilogy at the beginning of this. If they did, they seem to have trouble making it hold up to light scrutiny.
With the retcons and inconsistencies that we have seen so far, it makes it look as if their initial plan wasn't very pervasive.
I think the development team is drastically different than that of ME1. Don't hold me to that but that's how it seems to me. I used this analogy before but its like Dragonball Z compared to Dragonball GT. The latter was made by a different team and as a result the fans didn't respond the same and it was cancelled. Not saying there going down this route at all. But you can't have different people complete a conceptual narrative that someone else started, it doesn't turn out consistent. Not to sound bitter at all tho, this is still a highly entertaining game. The choice to focus on characters is both a blessing and a curse. They dug a hole and built a whole new foundation. Characters like Samara, Jack , and Thane are great additions to the ME world. We're just going to have to put some blind faith in there and hang on.
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Hey... why are we called Samaritans? I think we should be called Samarites.
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Hey... why are we called Samaritans? I think we should be called Samarites.
I don't think "samaritans" is that often used here, but I like it =D. Something about "samarites" doesn't seem complete to me. I like that "samaritans is actually a word too.
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You know I have pretty much held this same persuasion, but there are some that will make the argument that Liara can possibly die if her mission on Illium is either done incorrectly, or not completed at all.NICKjnp wrote...
Liara's squad power is Plot Armor. It means she is the only squadmate between both games that can not die.
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Woops, meant to edit, but instead quoted.
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My new favorite Samara pic.
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
You know I have pretty much held this same persuasion, but there are some that will make the argument that Liara can possibly die if her mission on Illium is either done incorrectly, or not completed at all.NICKjnp wrote...
Liara's squad power is Plot Armor. It means she is the only squadmate between both games that can not die.
That is like saying Aria will be over thrown if you don't give her the data about the merc groups.
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You know I have pretty much held this same persuasion, but there are some that will make the argument that Liara can possibly die if her mission on Illium is either done incorrectly, or not completed at all.NICKjnp wrote...
Liara's squad power is Plot Armor. It means she is the only squadmate between both games that can not die.
If she doesnt kill Nyxeris what does she say? Does she still say she's going to hunt down SB? That whole mission was useless anyway, I almost thought we were going to find out who it was and then she could leave Illium in pursiot of him. That would actually make more sense that she cant join you, cause she's literally this close and doesnt want to let a lead on SB get away. Instead she just sits there in her office.......waiting. Come on writers, that whole scenario is one of the blunders of ME2 >_>
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Good point...we also have that little mission involving those two Salarians outside of the Afterlife Club. That could be construed the same way I think. Doesn't Shep have the option of informing Aria about this?NICKjnp wrote...
That is like saying Aria will be over thrown if you don't give her the data about the merc groups.JohnnyDollar wrote...
You know I have pretty much held this same persuasion, but there are some that will make the argument that Liara can possibly die if her mission on Illium is either done incorrectly, or not completed at all.NICKjnp wrote...
Liara's squad power is Plot Armor. It means she is the only squadmate between both games that can not die.
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I am not sure what she says tbh.7Makaveli wrote...
If she doesnt kill Nyxeris what does she say? Does she still say she's going to hunt down SB? That whole mission was useless anyway, I almost thought we were going to find out who it was and then she could leave Illium in pursiot of him. That would actually make more sense that she cant join you, cause she's literally this close and doesnt want to let a lead on SB get away. Instead she just sits there in her office.......waiting. Come on writers, that whole scenario is one of the blunders of ME2 >_>JohnnyDollar wrote...
You know I have pretty much held this same persuasion, but there are some that will make the argument that Liara can possibly die if her mission on Illium is either done incorrectly, or not completed at all.NICKjnp wrote...
Liara's squad power is Plot Armor. It means she is the only squadmate between both games that can not die.
I think the argument is that if Shepard does it incorrectly or not at all, then Liara could possibly be killed by Nyxeris at the behest of the SB.
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I'm eating a spicy black bean cheeseburger. This is what I get when I ask a vegetarian to get me a cheeseburger. But it makes me wonder what human foods would interest Samara. She strikes me as a vegan sort.
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Did you guys and gals hear that ME3 might have multiplayer? That is the worst idea I've heard of. People already are complaining that ME2 didn't have enough RPG elements. Multiplayer will take away from the RPG aspect of the game even more. BOO!
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I call this pic "Justicar Training" =D
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Pacifien wrote...
I'm eating a spicy black bean cheeseburger. This is what I get when I ask a vegetarian to get me a cheeseburger. But it makes me wonder what human foods would interest Samara. She strikes me as a vegan sort.
I'm vegetarian... at times I try to be a vegan (but I like cheese too much).
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I have read some chatter. However, what is the source of this?NICKjnp wrote...
Did you guys and gals hear that ME3 might have multiplayer? That is the worst idea I've heard of. People already are complaining that ME2 didn't have enough RPG elements. Multiplayer will take away from the RPG aspect of the game even more. BOO!
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Pacifien wrote...
I'm eating a spicy black bean cheeseburger. This is what I get when I ask a vegetarian to get me a cheeseburger. But it makes me wonder what human foods would interest Samara. She strikes me as a vegan sort.
I picture Samara with a big, open minded appetite. Justicars need their heavy meals. I think she would be entraced by pizza and coke =D
On the real though; Caviar and Shrimp
