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[Shadedclan]

Pacifien wrote...

Shadedclan wrote...
Well I hope she shows some more of it then.

In another life perhaps.

She already has been living for nearly a thousand years already.

[Shadedclan]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Shadedclan wrote...

I don't know if this has already been asked, probably has been, but why is it that Samara shows off her cleavage? Not that I'm complaining but it's totally sexy and I just want to...

Helps punish the wicked.

Seriously, probably the same reason that Miranda wears spandex, and they both wear high heels in combat.

Well less spandex and more skin!

[Kudara]

NICKjnp wrote...

Again.... Samara carries the trait that makes Ardat-Yakshi. She supplies both chromosomes to make an Ardat-Yakshi child. It doesn't matter if she mates with an Asari or with an Alien (Turian, Human, Krogan, Salrian, Hanar, Volus). Her children will always be Ardat-Yakshi. Shepard (no matter how much we want it) will never have a normal child with Samara. Furthermore... It is possible that Liara's children would be Ardat-Yakshi.

Not necessarily.  If you look at what I wrote, that the full AY expression had multiple genes involved then the carriers still require mating with another carrier for the child to become and Ardat-Yakshi.

[kelmar6821]

If asari mating only uses the father to randomize the genes maybe the mother can use any genes at all?

as in mother AaAAaaAa
plus
father hSkHELdJ (skin, eyes, hair, or w/e happens to be picked up for the randomization)
AaAAaaAa + hSkHELdJ = AAAAAAAA

So if samara is something like AAAaAAaA (not quite enough to be an AY herself) then theres a good chance that her first three children very well could be AY. This also infers that AY is possible with alien fathers.

Come to think of it. In order for a non physical (no fluid swap) meld to produce off spring, asari would have to be built like some kind of bio computer at the cellular level. Essentially being able to read genetic information from a palm reading and use it into their own off spring...
<_<
 
oi, spent 20 minutes tapping that out on a phone only to have the browser crash before i hit submit...

Modifié par kelmar6821, 29 mai 2010 - 10:38 .

[Kudara]

Actually if we're talking genetics here and we are talking about a very specifically mutated genetic sequence then an alien father would be more likely to not have that genetic sequence for the asari to pick up on and use for randomization.

[Kudara]

Its almost easier to think of gene sequences as a guide to origami, depending on the instructions you could take a sheet of paper and end up with a crane or a frog. Often genes are the same when it comes to proteins, a simple shift and you have a finished product that looks slightly different and may act very different from the normal version.



When your down to the molecular level it's all about partial charges on atoms and folding configuration ie geometry.

[Pacifien]

Who keeps checks on the Justicars then?

"What?! They serve the Code, our Code!"

I really do love Officer Dara's completely confused and shocked response to Shepard's questioning of the Justicars. Like "How can this human not get it? How can I even explain it?"

[NICKjnp]

Kudara wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Again.... Samara carries the trait that makes Ardat-Yakshi. She supplies both chromosomes to make an Ardat-Yakshi child. It doesn't matter if she mates with an Asari or with an Alien (Turian, Human, Krogan, Salrian, Hanar, Volus). Her children will always be Ardat-Yakshi. Shepard (no matter how much we want it) will never have a normal child with Samara. Furthermore... It is possible that Liara's children would be Ardat-Yakshi.

Not necessarily.  If you look at what I wrote, that the full AY expression had multiple genes involved then the carriers still require mating with another carrier for the child to become and Ardat-Yakshi.

Asari take no genetics from their partner.  All they do is connect nervous systems too randomize genetic information.  It seems that a pureblood asari (Samara)  who gets the AY trait gets it because the nervous systems from her asari parents were likely too similar (causing a defect... the AY trait).  The pureblood who has the AY trait is not an Ardat-Yakshi.  It just means her children will be Ardat-Yakshi.

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

It was fortuitous that Samara was there when Diana needed help in finding out who called her Nef.  No one else would have helped her, because no one cared, because there're either no police on Omega, or they're so heavily on-the-take that they look the other way on everything.

I always hoped there was a moment with Diana and Samara in the end after the mission, you know with both being mothers who've lost their daughters. There was a kind of hint at that when Samara shakes her head as Diana starts crying. But I guess they wanted to make the post loyalty a little more about what Samara was feeling at the time. But still, they could have atleast made her email you like they always do >_> (or did they already do this?)

[7Makaveli]

Pacifien wrote...

Who keeps checks on the Justicars then?

"What?! They serve the Code, our Code!"

I really do love Officer Dara's completely confused and shocked response to Shepard's questioning of the Justicars. Like "How can this human not get it? How can I even explain it?"

It was at that point that I was convinced that Justicars are a "black & white" phenomenon that some may not understand, because clearly there are people who don't. The point isn't to agree with the notions of the Code but to accept as a depiction of an "any means necessery" system. But I think people wanted more from Dara at that point, simply being told of a self-justifying philosophy may have rubbed people the wrong way and is what makes fans question the merits of the Code. Dara did imply tho that it is something that non-Asari would ultimately never understand, and that is what happened. Yes, I love what Dara says, it almost makes it seem like the Asari have a childlike view of Justicars, having grown up on them.

EDIT: I also think that Justicars in modern times have been less portrayed as role models as other Asari figures such as Tevos and the Matriarchs. Those are probably what parents want their daughters to grow up to be, and instead ask their children to have a quiet respect for Justicars, but not really look at it as something to gear your life towards. Anyone agree?

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 29 mai 2010 - 05:43 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Bumping in to show my support for my second favorite asari in the game!

Also Samara have by far the prettiest eyes and in ME2 the best romance scene.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 29 mai 2010 - 05:47 .

[NICKjnp]

@Makaveli



I agree with you. It seems that choosing to be a Justicar is very personal and not something that would be encouraged. Detective Anaya indicates that Asari who choose to be a Justicar become one because of a life long goal or mission.

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

It was fortuitous that Samara was there when Diana needed help in finding out who called her Nef.  No one else would have helped her, because no one cared, because there're either no police on Omega, or they're so heavily on-the-take that they look the other way on everything.

I always hoped there was a moment with Diana and Samara in the end after the mission, you know with both being mothers who've lost their daughters. There was a kind of hint at that when Samara shakes her head as Diana starts crying. But I guess they wanted to make the post loyalty a little more about what Samara was feeling at the time. But still, they could have atleast made her email you like they always do >_> (or did they already do this?)

She e-mails you to thank you about finding out who killed her daughter.  She says that nothing will ever be able to bring her daughter back, but at least Nef was avenged.

What's really clumsy about the handling of that situation is that Diana's apartment is locked after completing Samara's loyalty mission.   We should have been able to see Samara talking with Diana about knowing what it's like to lose a daughter.  That would have given us insight in to Samara's character.   But nope.  The door lock is red, e-mail later, end of story.   Bad stuff.

That too, it should have just cut to Nef's apartment as Shepard informs Diana what happened, and maybe telling her that it was Samara's daughter they killed. Then Diana could try sympathizing with Samara who wouldn't allow it obviously, saying she just did her duty. Maybe that's something for a fanfic anyway. And yea forgot about that email.

[7Makaveli]

I would like to know how many Justicars there actually are roughly. Who knows their numbers might be as unknown and obscure as Ardat Yakshi. With their propensity to roam freely and without any organization a lot of them may just have died on an unknown colony in Asari space and no one would know. It is quite fascinating to think about, there is so much invested in training for a Justicar, probably a team of people that hold sessions in an unknown location, and all that to let them just go freely to root out the most dangerous situations and resolve them, without any real feedback.

[NICKjnp]

7Makaveli wrote...

I would like to know how many Justicars there actually are roughly. Who knows their numbers might be as unknown and obscure as Ardat Yakshi. With their propensity to roam freely and without any organization a lot of them may just have died on an unknown colony in Asari space and no one would know. It is quite fascinating to think about, there is so much invested in training for a Justicar, probably a team of people that hold sessions in an unknown location, and all that to let them just go freely to root out the most dangerous situations and resolve them, without any real feedback.

The codex refers to the Justicars as rivaling the Spectres in information.  It is likely that there is a command structure or a base of operation for them (like some sort of temple).

[7Makaveli]

NICKjnp wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

I would like to know how many Justicars there actually are roughly. Who knows their numbers might be as unknown and obscure as Ardat Yakshi. With their propensity to roam freely and without any organization a lot of them may just have died on an unknown colony in Asari space and no one would know. It is quite fascinating to think about, there is so much invested in training for a Justicar, probably a team of people that hold sessions in an unknown location, and all that to let them just go freely to root out the most dangerous situations and resolve them, without any real feedback.

The codex refers to the Justicars as rivaling the Spectres in information.  It is likely that there is a command structure or a base of operation for them (like some sort of temple).

I suppose their communications network best serves them in Asari space then, because outside we see Samara having to toss around mercs for information. I think the command structure leaves them on their own should they choose to leave Asari space, while inside they probably do have a vast amount of information available from anything pertaining to crime in the galaxy. Justicars are probably able to hack into any remote terminal and extract their information from their database. Its funny the only time we see Samara use her omnitool is when she patches in Illusive Man =D

[Kudara]

7Makaveli wrote...

I would like to know how many Justicars there actually are roughly. Who knows their numbers might be as unknown and obscure as Ardat Yakshi. With their propensity to roam freely and without any organization a lot of them may just have died on an unknown colony in Asari space and no one would know. It is quite fascinating to think about, there is so much invested in training for a Justicar, probably a team of people that hold sessions in an unknown location, and all that to let them just go freely to root out the most dangerous situations and resolve them, without any real feedback.

Samara says that there are rarely more than a handful of Justicar in existance at any time.  Which I take to mean five or less which is a very low number.

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

I wonder if the Asari used the Justicars before the Spectres were established in order to enforce Citadel rule.  If so, I imagine it would have been awkward to tell the Justicars to go home because the Salarians and the Turians find their methods to be unsavory.

That would be interesting. Justicars predating the Spectres, and ultimately serving as the model for the latter. It probably took hundreds of years until Salarians and Turians showed up, maybe by then the Asai would have had enough of a "renaissance" to seperate the Justicar Order from how they eventually planned to lead. I imagine Citadel discovery changed a lot of things for Asari, Justicars' role certainly could have been one of those things.

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

I think it would be funny if Samara is a little behind on technology.   She's been working alone for so long.  Like Grandma struggling to understand that you don't need for AOL to be open in order to send e-mail.

You have NOOOOO idea how many times I've had to help my grandmother with "the computer."  I bet Samara refers to her omnitool as "the omnitool."