@Kudara: yes that is very low. Even less if you think about how far apart they really are from each other. I wonder if Justicars share some kind of platonic bond with each other, assuming they ever meet. Seeing a counterpoint in each other that only they can understand.
@York: I could imagine Shepard walking towards engineering and hearing something like "wha...what is this devilry?", only to find Tali teaching Samara how to do a basic hack =D
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 06:37
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7Makaveli wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
I wonder if the Asari used the Justicars before the Spectres were established in order to enforce Citadel rule. If so, I imagine it would have been awkward to tell the Justicars to go home because the Salarians and the Turians find their methods to be unsavory.
That would be interesting. Justicars predating the Spectres, and ultimately serving as the model for the latter. It probably took hundreds of years until Salarians and Turians showed up, maybe by then the Asai would have had enough of a "renaissance" to seperate the Justicar Order from how they eventually planned to lead. I imagine Citadel discovery changed a lot of things for Asari, Justicars' role certainly could have been one of those things.
Wasn't it only like 30 or 70 years until the Salarians arrived on the Citadel. The turians showed up after the Krogan uprising (the Spectres existed by then).
I think Spectres seem to be a mixture of an Asari Justicar and Salarian STG mindset... best of both worlds.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 06:52
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Hmm you know thinking of the origins of Spectres, STG and all, they all have come from a need to deal with a colossal issue in the galaxy, do you think Justicars have had the same origin? We know its ancient, so it could relate to a massive crisis ancient Asari have had to deal with. Maybe it was something like an outbreak of many AY's in a colony as a result of gene flow (when a limited gene pool causes similar offspring genetically speaking, at least I think thats what it is) and the training for superior fighters to stop them because they had gotten so strong, they probably threatened all Asari existence. And then over time an overruling Code was established for them which has become the unquestionable standard for their practice
Thoughts? Comments? Bueller?
Thoughts? Comments? Bueller?
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 07:00
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Ook I just realized that the gene pool theory makes no sense
move along...
move along...
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 07:21
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7Makaveli wrote...
Ook I just realized that the gene pool
theory makes no sense
move along...
Asari genetics makes no sense. They just sound cool in a science-fiction-y way.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 07:22
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7Makaveli wrote...
Hmm you know thinking of the origins of Spectres, STG and all, they all have come from a need to deal with a colossal issue in the galaxy, do you think Justicars have had the same origin? We know its ancient, so it could relate to a massive crisis ancient Asari have had to deal with. Maybe it was something like an outbreak of many AY's in a colony as a result of gene flow (when a limited gene pool causes similar offspring genetically speaking, at least I think thats what it is) and the training for superior fighters to stop them because they had gotten so strong, they probably threatened all Asari existence. And then over time an overruling Code was established for them which has become the unquestionable standard for their practice
Thoughts? Comments? Bueller?
As much as we love to hate on Morinth... I don't think Ardat-Yakshi are that common for the Justicars to be created for that purpose. As for the actual purpose... I have nothin to add.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 07:42
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Maybe they were created at a time corruption had become widespread. The people had enough so the Justicars were created.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 07:58
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AKFTF wrote...
Maybe they were created at a time corruption had become widespread. The people had enough so the Justicars were created.
Yes, in ancient times it was probably their first attempt at creating order amidst chaos. The Code probably came before Justicars, or maybe the first Justicar wrote the Code. And soon it was adopted by early Asari as their overruling doctrine of justice. And eventually phased out of actual mainstream Asari authority to the point it is today, a secular method of punishment and protection that remains respected among Asari.
Well, I'm off to work, catch yallz later.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 09:36
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Hmm the asari had, actually they still have, republics that are independently governed. Maybe the justicars were originally their way of dealing with criminals that fled to other republics to escape justice.
And I don't think they have been phased out of official standing, it doesn't make any sense to say they have an information network rivaling the Spectre's when there's only five of them unless they have access to governmental resources.
And I don't think they have been phased out of official standing, it doesn't make any sense to say they have an information network rivaling the Spectre's when there's only five of them unless they have access to governmental resources.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 09:47
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I actually think this is very likely the genesis of the justicars. According to the Codex, before the asari were a spacefaring civilization, their world consisted of various city-states, each with their own government and laws.Kudara wrote...
Hmm the asari had, actually they still have, republics that are independently governed. Maybe the justicars were originally their way of dealing with criminals that fled to other republics to escape justice.
Should someone break the law of one city-state and run off to another, they escape the reach of the first city-state's law enforcement. And while in another city-state, there isn't reason to bring that person to justice because they haven't broken that city-state's own laws, just the laws of another city-state.
So the Justicars were born, to bring justice to those who have escaped the system. Each city-state starts to accept the Code of the Justicars because it is an Order that they themselves can use when their own criminals escape the system. Also, I'm sure they'd be very keen on the idea of ridding themselves of another city-state's problem that has sought safety in their realm.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 11:06
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Thats what I was thinking, something analogous to our Federal Marshals, or rather how they used to be a few hundred years ago when there were more frontier areas.
Except of course the Federal Marshals aren't supposed to carry out the sentence
Except of course the Federal Marshals aren't supposed to carry out the sentence
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 11:28
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Kudara wrote...
Thats what I was thinking, something analogous to our Federal Marshals, or rather how they used to be a few hundred years ago when there were more frontier areas.
Except of course the Federal Marshals aren't supposed to carry out the sentence
I read Federal Marshal, then I thought Air Marshal, then I thought Judge Dredd, then I thought Judge Dredd on a plane, then I thought Samara on a plane. What a curious string of thoughts.
Samara: "I have had it with these mother******* Ardat-Yakshis on this mother******* plane!"
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 11:32
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yorkj86 wrote...
Kudara wrote...
Thats what I was thinking, something analogous to our Federal Marshals, or rather how they used to be a few hundred years ago when there were more frontier areas.
Except of course the Federal Marshals aren't supposed to carry out the sentence
I read Federal Marshal, then I thought Air Marshal, then I thought Judge Dredd, then I thought Judge Dredd on a plane, then I thought Samara on a plane. What a curious string of thoughts.
Samara: "I have had it with these mother******* Ardat-Yakshis on this mother******* plane!"
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Posté 30 mai 2010 - 12:57
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Greetings Samara thread. I require some assistance.
I am currently working on a story, running through a possible story line for ME3. This will be similar to those old 'choose your own adventure' books, where at certain points the reader will be required to make a decision, which will bend the story in a different direction, making the story more personalized to each reader.
For this story I am trying to keep each character as true to their actual character as possible. Unfortunately I am not an expert on every character, and actually I know very little of the behavior/attitudes of many.
The help I require, is that I would appreciate if one, or a few, of you would help me to make sure that I keep Samara true to her character in this story. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
I am currently working on a story, running through a possible story line for ME3. This will be similar to those old 'choose your own adventure' books, where at certain points the reader will be required to make a decision, which will bend the story in a different direction, making the story more personalized to each reader.
For this story I am trying to keep each character as true to their actual character as possible. Unfortunately I am not an expert on every character, and actually I know very little of the behavior/attitudes of many.
The help I require, is that I would appreciate if one, or a few, of you would help me to make sure that I keep Samara true to her character in this story. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
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Posté 30 mai 2010 - 12:57
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So I've asked pretty much every other character support thread, but I'm saving my favorite for last. Where do you think Samara would like to visit on Earth? I think she would prefer remote locations with tribal people. The first place I thought of was Mongolia, but I don't know why. Probably because I want to visit the place myself, their culture fascinates me.
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Posté 30 mai 2010 - 01:02
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CamoBadger wrote...
Greetings Samara thread. I require some assistance.
I am currently working on a story, running through a possible story line for ME3. This will be similar to those old 'choose your own adventure' books, where at certain points the reader will be required to make a decision, which will bend the story in a different direction, making the story more personalized to each reader.
For this story I am trying to keep each character as true to their actual character as possible. Unfortunately I am not an expert on every character, and actually I know very little of the behavior/attitudes of many.
The help I require, is that I would appreciate if one, or a few, of you would help me to make sure that I keep Samara true to her character in this story. Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Okay. What're the questions? What do you want to know?
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Posté 30 mai 2010 - 01:06
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Okay. What're the questions? What do you want to know?
I will likely be asking many questions as I progress through the project, but for now I mostly need a description of her overall mindset, and in the case of Samara, I need anything about the Romance with her.
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Pacifien wrote...
So I've asked pretty much every other character support thread, but I'm saving my favorite for last. Where do you think Samara would like to visit on Earth? I think she would prefer remote locations with tribal people. The first place I thought of was Mongolia, but I don't know why. Probably because I want to visit the place myself, their culture fascinates me.
Bringing Samara to the ruins of ancient Greece would be a bit of breaking the Fourth Wall. It might be funny for the member of a Greek-inspired species to meet the Greeks.
Samara would probably like somewhere quiet and not heavily civilized. I was thinking she might like the Galapagos Islands, and ancient Norwegian forests and the fjords. Iceland might be interesting for her. The contrast of snow and volcanic activity might be a spectacle not seen in many other places.
Why do you think she would want to visit remote locations with tribal people?
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Posté 30 mai 2010 - 01:18
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CamoBadger wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
Okay. What're the questions? What do you want to know?
I will likely be asking many questions as I progress through the project, but for now I mostly need a description of her overall mindset, and in the case of Samara, I need anything about the Romance with her.
Samara prides herself on her ability to maintain her composure. Even after she kills Morinth, you don't see her physically express her sorrow. If you ask her about her feelings, she gives you a blunt answer, but even then, her emotional reactions are not evident.
We're not sure if her stoic nature is a product of her Justicar training, or if she's always been like that. Morinth complains about how her mother instilled in her a sense of duty, responsibility and morality, things that do not appeal to Morinth. Samara was a strict, stern mother.
Samara is still Asari. There are several instances where she'll smile at Shepard if he asks certain questions, and she'll chuckle quietly once. She's not emotionally sterile. She still enjoys the nice things, she just fights to keep her enjoyment of them hidden.
Samara must be Lawful Neutral, because of the Code, but the player gets the feeling sometimes that she would prefer Lawful Good actions at times. She cannot be compassionate (Lawful Good) because the Code demands impartiality (Lawful Neutral). She reminds us, however, that she would kill everyone, even her family and dearest friends, if they should act wickedly.
Samara is very proud of Morinth, despite what her daughter did. Samara takes great pride in the fact that Morinth stood up for herself and showed great determination. She calls Morinth the smartest and strongest of her daughters. Even though it pains her to have to kill Morinth because she violated the law, Samara still loves her because Samara is her mother.
We don't know why, exactly, Samara joined the Justicar Order, though we get the feeling that she did this because she felt it was the only way to clean up the mess she had created, and the only way to resolve the situation Morinth began in running from her mother.
About the romance:
Samara states that the Code does not forbid romantic involvement, but she says that she is no longer interested in such things anymore, anyway. We think this is because romantic involvement would interfere with her duties as a Justicar, and that makes sense.
The final scene of her romance arc revolves around Shepard insisting that there is something between them, and that, after all this time, Samara would not be wrong for wanting to love someone again. If you keep pressing her, they will come close to a kiss, but Samara will push Shepard away, touch his face with her hand, and refuse him. She'll walk out of the room, and stand in the Crew's Quarters, at which time she'll only respond to attempts to speak with her with a distress-sounding "Please."
The player can speculate that Samara doesn't want a romance because she doesn't want it to interfere with her duties as a Justicar, but also because she was deeply traumatized by the situation that arose with her partner, who left her, and their daughters, who all turned out to be Ardat-Yakshi. She might be using the Code as a means of pushing people away so that she won't have to experience that pain ever again.
EDIT: Added in the part about the romance.
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yorkj86 wrote...
Samara prides herself on her ability to maintain her composure. Even after she kills Morinth, you don't see her physically express her sorrow. If you ask her about her feelings, she gives you a blunt answer, but even then, her emotional reactions are not evident.
We're not sure if her stoic nature is a product of her Justicar training, or if she's always been like that. Morinth complains about how her mother instilled in her a sense of duty, responsibility and morality, things that do not appeal to Morinth. Samara was a strict, stern mother.
Samara is still Asari. There are several instances where she'll smile at Shepard if he asks certain questions, and she'll chuckle quietly once. She's not emotionally sterile. She still enjoys the nice things, she just fights to keep her enjoyment of them hidden.
Samara must be Lawful Neutral, because of the Code, but the player gets the feeling sometimes that she would prefer Lawful Good actions at times. She cannot be compassionate (Lawful Good) because the Code demands impartiality (Lawful Neutral). She reminds us, however, that she would gladly kill everyone, even her family and dearest friends, if they should act wickedly.
Samara is very proud of Morinth, despite what her daughter did. Samara takes great pride in the fact that Morinth stood up for herself and showed great determination. She calls Morinth the smartest and strongest of her daughters. Even though it pains her to have to kill Morinth because she violated the law, Samara still loves her because Samara is her mother.
We don't know why, exactly, Samara joined the Justicar Order, though we get the feeling that she did this because she felt it was the only way to clean up the mess she had created, and the only way to resolve the situation Morinth began in running from her mother.
thank you, this is just what I needed.
I may be returning here occasionally to ask questions as well, mostly about how Samara would react in some situations. Thank you for your help.
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CamoBadger wrote...
thank you, this is just what I needed.
I may be returning here occasionally to ask questions as well, mostly about how Samara would react in some situations. Thank you for your help.
Please note I added in the part, at the bottom, about the romance arc with Samara.
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Posté 30 mai 2010 - 01:30
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Not sure. She mentions her time as a Justicar has taken her to remote places of asari space that few have ever seen. And I can't quite remember how her dialogue went, but doesn't she mention the possibility of continuing her search for Ardat-Yakshi in these remote places?yorkj86 wrote...
Why do you think she would want to visit remote locations with tribal people?
Tribal people wasn't really the term I was looking for, but my brain wasn't quite working when I was writing the post. Its part of the appeal of traveling to the remote locations, meeting the type of people who live that far removed from the grid. She had an interest in learning all she could about humans when she returned to traveling the galaxy beyond asari space. So I think she simply has an interesting in learning about different people.
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Posté 30 mai 2010 - 01:39
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Perhaps places that are culturally different might interest her about Earth. Like visiting Japan or China and then going to Europe or the Americas or Africa.
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Posté 30 mai 2010 - 01:39
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BTW York that was a very nice summation of Samara's character.
The only thing i would change is the gladly kill, I think shes says about those who admire her that she would kill them all if she had to, again the lawful neutral choice. But I don't think she would necessarily be personally happy about it.
The only thing i would change is the gladly kill, I think shes says about those who admire her that she would kill them all if she had to, again the lawful neutral choice. But I don't think she would necessarily be personally happy about it.
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Pacifien wrote...
Not sure. She mentions her time as a Justicar has taken her to remote places of asari space that few have ever seen. And I can't quite remember how her dialogue went, but doesn't she mention the possibility of continuing her search for Ardat-Yakshi in these remote places?yorkj86 wrote...
Why do you think she would want to visit remote locations with tribal people?
Tribal people wasn't really the term I was looking for, but my brain wasn't quite working when I was writing the post. Its part of the appeal of traveling to the remote locations, meeting the type of people who live that far removed from the grid. She had an interest in learning all she could about humans when she returned to traveling the galaxy beyond asari space. So I think she simply has an interesting in learning about different people.
I think she says that she would be willing to go anywhere to hunt down the Ardat-Yakshi. The Ardat-Yakshi tend to prey on people in remote locations because they are so off-the-grid and they wouldn't be disturbed much in the process of brainwashing the locals. Also, news of deaths being reported in these places might not even reach main communication channels.
I think Samara would really enjoy wide, open, grassy areas like the one seen at the beginning of The Sound of Music.
