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[kelmar6821]

I, uh um...braindead....





















Samara dances a jig!



happy happy joy joy

[kelmar6821]

yorkj86 wrote...

And Shepard tries in vain to bust-a-groove of equal awesomeness in the background.

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

There's some guy in the "You should def kill Samara when given the chance...It's worth it!!"  thread (http://social.biowar...index/2766178/1) who claims that Morinth tells Shepard that Samara belonged to a group that wants to see humans erased.  I don't remember Morinth saying anything like this.  I wouldn't trust anything Morinth says, anyway.

Anyone know what he's talking about?

As a fan of Morinth as well I can tell you that she does not say that.

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

kelmar6821 wrote...

So what's he doing there, then?  Hitting on the hot Ardat-Yakshis?

I hit on her until...
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[Sand King]

NICKjnp wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

kelmar6821 wrote...

So what's he doing there, then?  Hitting on the hot Ardat-Yakshis?

I hit on her until...
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It's worth it.

[kelmar6821]

yorkj86 wrote...

So what's he doing there, then?  Hitting on the hot Ardat-Yakshis?

reference

Modifié par kelmar6821, 31 mai 2010 - 05:05 .

[Pacifien]

NICKjnp wrote...
As a fan of Morinth as well I can tell you that she does not say that.

I once tried to recruit Morinth for a playthrough in the name of science, but I didn't make it to the suicide mission with her before I decided to reload and go with Samara again. Which is simply a failure for me, since I try to find the appeal of every character, or at least understand them. Morinth might be the first character in a Bioware game where I simply decided I wasn't going to bother getting to know her and just killed her.

I know she couldn't help being an Ardat-Yakshi and the confines and stigmas that gave her. But the person I saw in that club, in that apartment, was a person I didn't want to see continue living anymore. She got the **** end of the stick with her genes, but excuses only get you so far with me, I guess.

I imagine Samara had somewhat similar feelings on the matter. I imagine she viewed what happened to her daughters as completely her fault, and she took any horrible action by her daughters are being her fault as well. When she tells Shepard of how proud she was of Morinth, I feel she's looking at all her daughter's best qualities and imagining everything she could have been if Samara hadn't given her the Ardat-Yakshi trait. But in the end, all Morinth's potential wasn't enough to overcome the monster she became.

[Ashira Shepard]

XD Sweet jesus her smile is perfect, damn you for making me lol at 6am =P

Though maybe people are waking up about now...who knows.

Edit: I guess "Like" isn't even the right word for how I view Morinth, I can't hate or dislike her, since that would be counter-productive to trying to write her as a person. I find her interesting (best word I can think of) at the very least.

But I'm sure as hell not killing Samara for her.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 31 mai 2010 - 04:50 .

[Sand King]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

[kelmar6821]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

[Throw_this_away]

Hello all, I just wanted to discuss Samara/Morinth here as I had a discussion in another thread, but thought I would post my views here to get "expert" opinion.  

Disclamer: I don't know all of my facts, and I don't frequent Samara threads so I do not know if any consensus have been reached on the topic.  Bear with me. 

So I admit to finding Samara/Morinth very interesting because on one level they seem very opposite in character (one is law-abiding and just to the extreme, the other feeds all of her perverse desires), but on the other hand, both characters are ruthless killers.  One is bound to kill just about anyone if her code dictates it, and the other is basically addicted to killing.  One kills for law, one kills for pleasue... but in the end both are bound to kill.  They are quite similar for that reason.  

My theory is that Samara is an A-Y and that she was once just like morinth until she reformed with the help of the code and the justicar (I bet a justicar caught her and gave her a second chance).  Thanks to the code's dicipline, she can control her A-Y urges, but ironically, she is now bound to kill based on the code.  To me, this would explain why Samara refuses Shep... she doesn't want to tempt her old A-Y ways.  

Finally, in ME3 I predict we will learn more of this storyline and we will probably discover that Samara was once a A-Y and shep will help her trust her ability to control it, or we will help Morinth reform, and learn how to control it.  Both paths will allow romancable options.  

The following is regarding the supposed canon that A-Y are sterile.  KNowledge in basic genetics is needed (hopefully you know and understand the terms gene, pedigree, dominant, recessive, homozygous, heterozygous, carrier)

Next, Samara had three Ardat-Yatshi children.  We know A-Y is genetically inherited.  I also reciently was informed that A-Y are sterile, and that is canon.  As such... by genetic definition, for Samara to be fertile and to have three A-Y children, the A-Y gene can not be dominant for inheritance, and must be recessive (I am ignoring "penetrance" or new random mutations).  i.e you need two A-Y copies to be a true A-Y.  One from each parent.  Having only one copy makes you "normal", but a "carrier".  For the genetics geeks... if you calculate out the pedigree of two A-Y "carriers" mating... 1/4 of children will not have the A-Y gene at all, 1/2 of the children will have one copy of the A-Y gene (normal carrier like the parents), and 1/4 will be true A-Y with two copies of the A-Y gene.  Phew!  Still with me?

So what I am saying is that it is possible that Samara is a carrier and the A-Y gene is recessive, and she mated with another carrier, and had 3 A-Y children.  The thing is... the chance if that is 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 1/64 = not very statistically likley (but possible).

If however the sterility canon is incorrect/misunderstood (i.e A-Y are considered sterile because they kill mates/asari misinformation to other races to ease fears/etc, not for genetic reasons)... than three A-Y children would be more plausable if the A-Y gene were "dominant" (i.e if you have a single copy of the A-Y gene... you are a A-Y).  If Samara is A-Y homozygous (2 A-Y dominant copies, normal mate), than 100% of children MUST be A-Y.  If Samara is A-Y heterozygous (one dominant copy, normal partner), than there is a 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/8 chance of having three A-Y children.  This is more possible/plausable.

Enough genetics.  Point is... it would make more genetic sense if the A-Y gene were dominant given the three A-Y children.  But.. A-Y being recessive is possible... just not statistically probable.  Thus... I hypothesize that A-Y are NOT sterile at a genetic level, but sterile in the sense that they generally kill their mates.  Thus, I think Samara is an A-Y.  

The other possibility is that the story writers really did not do any genetics homework... and I am overanalyzing.  

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 31 mai 2010 - 05:09 .

[NICKjnp]

She is supposed to be a little bit more thin than Samara. Notice the boob size.

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...
The other possibility is that the story writers really did not do any genetics homework... and I am overanalyzing.

I think this is the probably the best answer.  The Samara thread has gone around in circles with Asari genetics.  We aren't given enough information.  The information that we do have, contradicts itself.

That... and we ALL have a different opinion on it (but my opinion is the "correct" one )

[Pacifien]

Throw_this_away wrote...
Hello all, I just wanted to discuss Samara/Morinth here as I had a discussion in another thread, but thought I would post my views here to get "expert" opinion. *major snip*

We've had so much discussion on the genetics of the asari and how that leads to an Ardat-Yakshi, I honestly can't remember if I came to the conclusion the trait was the result of a recessive pairing or was a dominant trait from an amalgem of various genes.

I don't think Samara was an Ardat-Yakshi. The fact that the other mate in an Ardat-Yakshi pairing dies has nothing to do with sterility. The ability to conceive children is what determines the sterility factor, and we have Samara and the Codex both stating that Ardat-Yakshi are sterile.

However, I do think that Samara is a ruthless killer in the name of her Code. But the Code will only serve her well so long as she's in asari space that recognizes the authority of the Code. It doesn't help her much on places like Omega; there she'd simply be a vigilante. But while being a ruthless killer connects her somewhat to her equally ruthless daughter, I'm unsure if Samara really wants to kill. She does so because the Code demands it for certain situations. But she crosses the paths of many different sorts who have the potential to fall under the scrutiny of the Code, but she chooses to ignore what these people may have or could do if she has business elsewhere. She only acts on the Code if she sees them directly breaking it.

[Throw_this_away]

yorkj86 wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

The following is regarding the supposed canon that A-Y are sterile.  KNowledge in basic genetics is needed (hopefully you know and understand the terms gene, pedigree, dominant, recessive, homozygous, heterozygous, carrier)

Next, Samara had three Ardat-Yatshi children.  We know A-Y is genetically inherited.  I also reciently was informed that A-Y are sterile, and that is canon.  As such... by genetic definition, for Samara to be firtile and to have three A-Y children, the A-Y gene can not be dominant for inheritance, and must be recessive (I am ignoring "penetrance" or new random mutations).  i.e you need two A-Y copies to be a true A-Y.  One from each parent.  Having only one copy makes you "normal", but a "carrier".  For the genetics geeks... if you calculate out the pedigree of two A-Y "carriers" mating... 1/4 of children will not have the A-Y gene at all, 1/2 of the children will have one copy of the A-Y gene (normal carrier like the parents), and 1/4 will be true A-Y with two copies of the A-Y gene.  Phew!  Still with me?

So what I am saying is that it is possible that Samara is a carrier and the A-Y gene is recessive, and she mated with another carrier, and had 3 A-Y children.  The thing is... the chance if that is 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 1/64 = not very statistically likley (but possible).

If however the sterility canon is incorrect/misunderstood (i.e A-Y are considered sterile because they kill mates/asari misinformation to other races to ease fears/etc, not for genetic reasons)... than three A-Y children would be more plausable if the A-Y gene were "dominant" (i.e if you have a single copy of the A-Y gene... you are a A-Y).  If Samara is A-Y homozygous (2 A-Y dominant copies, normal mate), than 100% of children MUST be A-Y.  If Samara is A-Y heterozygous (one dominant copy, normal partner), than there is a 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/8 chance of having three A-Y children.  This is more possible/plausable.

Enough genetics.  Point is... it would make more genetic sense if the A-Y gene were dominant given the three A-Y children.  But.. A-Y being recessive is possible... just not statistically probable.  Thus... I hypothesize that A-Y are NOT sterile at a genetic level, but sterile in the sense that they generally kill their mates.  Thus, I think Samara is an A-Y.  

The other possibility is that the story writers really did not do any genetics homework... and I am overanalyzing.  

That's an impressive amount of research, but we were told by two sources, one in-game and one official, that the Ardat-Yakshi are sterile in the true, medical sense of the word.

I addressed several of your other arguments in my posts in the other thread.

If there's one thing I've learned in this thread, it's that you should not think too hard about Asari genetics because they'll give you a headache.  Instead, accept what's been presented to you as canon, as canon, until a retcon changes things.

I read your quote of the codex talking about sterility.  Pretty clear.  

Regarding thinking about asari genetics... you are right.  All my ideas assume earth-creature style genetics.  For all we know A-Y could be like a genetic virus that is aquired sexually.  As someone else said, we don;t have enough info to be cerebral about the issue.  Thus, I go back to my theory that Samara was A-Y.  Doesn't fit with the sterility codex, but given how little info we have on the topic... I think ME3 will fill us in on why when they do the reveal.