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[Flamewielder]

Rikketik wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
I'd rather keep Samara out of romance territory. Besides the fact that she had to discard her earthly possessions and relationships when entering in to the Justicar Order, I don't think that being a Justicar lends itself particularly well to having loved ones, what with all of the angry, defeated criminals they leave behind in their wake.
Also, look at what happened with Tali and Garrus once they became romanceable. People violated the sanctity of "bro" status.

True. Although the status of Samara as love interest seems tempting at first, I tend to see her more like a sister in arms of a very close friend. I don't have a problem with romancing Tali, mainly because she fell in love with Shepard in the first place. But Garrus would be comparible to Samara indeed. I tried to romance him once, but it just didn't feel right. Like I was forcing it on him. Not the best foundation for a healthy relationship, huh? 

An excessively renegadeShepard obviously has no reason to display any interest in having her around beyond the mission's conclusion: the Code would eventually force a confrontation between them, with an unavoidably lethal conclusion. Hence the reason for a character like Jack, who provides a biotic specialist compatible with a renegade Shep. Jack is very much Samara's counterpart.

I enjoyed the way BW treated the Samara-paragonShepard relationship in ME2. You can feel a desire to "pace" this relationship, whatever BW decides to do (or not) with Samara in ME3. They've obviously kept their options open.

It's quite possible that Samara could eventually become an LI by the end of ME3, assuming she decided that remaining with Shepard served the higher purpose of service to the Code. Given that 2 years had elapsed between the events of ME1 and ME2, that would leave plenty of time for Samara to let her friendship with Shepard bloom into something else (assuming Shepard was not already romantically involved with someone else) by the time ME3 concludes.

Samara's child-rearing years are behind her; the possibility of bringing a 4th Ardat-Yakshi daughter into the world is a strong motivation NOT to have any more children. Any romance with Shepard would be focused on companionship for its own sake, which works well for their chosen "heroic" lifestyles: no children, no home beyond whatever ship they happen to travel on... no settling down in this couple's future!

Then, on the other hand, a friends-only Samara would be quite the formidable godmother/mentor to any Shepard children...

<academy classmate>"Your auntie Sam is SOOOO HOT!"
<Jenny Williams-Shepard>"Yeah... just don't say that in front of my mom, she's kinda touchy about that..."

[sunnyfunny]

But Samara got so close to making out with me!



and she said something along the lines of "Maybe later"...



shes teasing me

[Ashira Shepard]

The actual line is "In another time, another life." Which is more like saying "it would be possible, but not in this situation/lifetime."



Someone posted earlier here that they saw fear more than disinterest in that scene. After everything she's gone through, it would be...difficult, to let someone get that close again, no?

[sunnyfunny]

Im Commander ****ing Shepard.
I saved the Citadel. I made a rogue Spectre shoot himself in the head and then proceeded to destroy his cybernetic zombie ass. I. Am. the badass mofo shes been waiting for.

screw the next life. im all she needs for this life.

p.s. (The actual line is "In another time, another life." Which is more like saying "it would be possible, but not in this situation/lifetime) She might refer to another life meaning a life outside of battles and adventures, A life of peace?

Modifié par sunnyfunny, 26 mars 2010 - 04:30 .

[Ashira Shepard]

o_o



I...



Yeah, I got nothing...



Considering that I agree this lifetime would be just dandy since I won't be aware of it if I were to come back in another life.

[7Makaveli]

Shepard is already on his "other" life. Smarten up Shepard, you could have used that line!

[sunnyfunny]

either way, she rules.



most intresting/ attractive character by far.

[DirtyVagrant]

7Makaveli wrote...

Shepard is already on his "other" life. Smarten up Shepard, you could have used that line!

LOL

[Ashira Shepard]

7Makaveli wrote...

Shepard is already on his "other" life. Smarten up Shepard, you could have used that line!

God-damnit, we needed that in the dialogue! *flails* Or maybe Shep can use that in ME3...

[sunnyfunny]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I am not sure about romancing her though. It just seems like it would be quite odd. Perhaps as a soulmate or good friend that one could confide in and ask advice. Love her for who she is vs falling in love with her.

I see what you mean.
plus, given that theres possibly 5 different LI's for maleShep alone, we should probably leave it be.

one can dream though..

[7Makaveli]

The way they make Shepard pursue her though it seems he's fallen completely for her. You don't really get that with other LI's. Usually its "yea..I like you too" or "We should have sex...". Something about the last conversation they have gives me a warm feeling but leaves me wanting more.

[sunnyfunny]

I know right!!



damn you bioware

[Ashira Shepard]

It's kind of like a reverse of Liara/Shepard, since she "fell" for Shepard in the first place. Though by now it does feel like she kind of...threw herself at her. (I always play FemShep)



Anyway, in this case, yeah - the conversation does give the impression :< Poor Shepard, the first time it actually seems he/she has fallen for someone.



Note: No offense to anyone who enjoyed the romances for the other characters; this should not be taken as bashing.

[Rikketik]

yorkj86 wrote...

I heard somewhere that an Asari who carries the AY gene but doesn't express it can't have an AY child with a non-Asari; it's restricted to Asari-Asari pairings.

Either way, I highly doubt Samara would want to have any more children. She's probably traumatized to the state of being a mother as a whole. Having a child would also interfere with her duties as a Justicar, and might even disqualify her for being a Justicar.

I'm opposed to a romance with Samara in its entirety, but if it has to exist, it should be on a purely emotional level.

Not to mention she's nearly a thousand years old. Wouldn't that make her a Matriarch, if she wasn't a Justicar already? Seems to me that mating is purely something Maidens and Matrons do. The first do it because it's fun, the latter because they want to produce ofspring. But Matriarchs... Besides all the emotional stress her daughters (willingly or unwillingly) have put her through, I think Samara simply doesn't has the biological drive anymore.

Then again, this just about mating. Don't know if a Matriarch would be interested in entering an entirely new relationship with someone. An emotional relationship with only limited physical interaction, but a relationship nonetheless.

[7Makaveli]

Yea I didn't mean to say other romances aren't worthwhile, I romance Liara (love the Asari's) its just this one case is where you see a rare side of Shepard actively pursuing someone, and you get more characterization of Shepard than the other person.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 26 mars 2010 - 05:39 .

[DirtyVagrant]

AshiraShepard wrote...

It's kind of like a reverse of Liara/Shepard, since she "fell" for Shepard in the first place. Though by now it does feel like she kind of...threw herself at her. (I always play FemShep)

Anyway, in this case, yeah - the conversation does give the impression :

Note: No offense to anyone who enjoyed the romances for the other characters; this should not be taken as bashing.

B-But... Jacob is such a priiiiiizzzzeeee...

Ahem. Yeah! I can't say whether Ashley or Kaidan "fall" for Shep, having never romanced either of them to find out.

[DirtyVagrant]

Rikketik wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I heard somewhere that an Asari who carries the AY gene but doesn't express it can't have an AY child with a non-Asari; it's restricted to Asari-Asari pairings.

Either way, I highly doubt Samara would want to have any more children. She's probably traumatized to the state of being a mother as a whole. Having a child would also interfere with her duties as a Justicar, and might even disqualify her for being a Justicar.

I'm opposed to a romance with Samara in its entirety, but if it has to exist, it should be on a purely emotional level.

Not to mention she's nearly a thousand years old. Wouldn't that make her a Matriarch, if she wasn't a Justicar already? Seems to me that mating is purely something Maidens and Matrons do. The first do it because it's fun, the latter because they want to produce ofspring. But Matriarchs... Besides all the emotional stress her daughters (willingly or unwillingly) have put her through, I think Samara simply doesn't has the biological drive anymore.

Then again, this just about mating. Don't know if a Matriarch would be interested in entering an entirely new relationship with someone. An emotional relationship with only limited physical interaction, but a relationship nonetheless.

Is Samara a Matriarch? The ME2 website says she is 600 years old, which would place her a century shy of being a Matriarch. And one thing I've noticed with the Matriarchs Shepard has met thus far, they tend to be addressed as such. Unless Justicars shed that title with the code.

[sunnyfunny]

I dont think I got to the part where we move in closer for a smooch until after I finished the game. of course, i had romanced Miranda (kinda felt like it was default), but broke it off with her and ran to Samara for support.

[Ashira Shepard]

He means the final conversation where you can show interest in her, Shepard can keep pushing it until the almost-kiss.

[sunnyfunny]

right on

[Rikketik]

7Makaveli wrote...

The way they make Shepard pursue her though it seems he's fallen completely for her. You don't really get that with other LI's. Usually its "yea..I like you too" or "We should have sex...". Something about the last conversation they have gives me a warm feeling but leaves me wanting more.

Perhaps because with the other LI's, Shepard always get what he/she wants. Samara, however, is unreachable. And you know how it goes: the things we want te most, are the things we can't get.

Samara's dialogue doesn't make it easier of course. You just know she is attracted to Shepard too. Lines like: "If I were a Maiden, I'd drag you to the floor right now," don't leave much room for speculation. She even says she could find more than happiness with Shepard... All the more frustrating then that it'll never be. No matter how many times you replay the scene, the result will always be the same.