Shoot, I either forgot or didn't get that far I guess. Hmmm, well it just shows I haven't exhausted all of the dialoge in the game. I was pretty sure that I did exhaust all dialog with all squadmates on my first playthrough as a paragon maleshep though.AshiraShepard wrote...
He means the final conversation where you can show interest in her, Shepard can keep pushing it until the almost-kiss.
Samara thread
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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 06:00
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dude... keep it going.
be sure youre single though.
be sure youre single though.
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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 06:01
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sunnyfunny wrote...
dude... keep it going.
be sure youre single though.
Being single matters? I was romancing Tali at the time and I got the almost kiss.
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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 06:03
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I think all in all, we need more dialogue.
Support this link and group, as I think me2 could do with a bit more crew dialogue. It could be possible through dlc, no?
http://social.bioware.com/group/1763/
Oh, btw since we met our last aim of getting to page 30 before the week ended, I now increase that to 40. A challenge but entirely possible if we keep going at the rate we have been going at so far!
Support this link and group, as I think me2 could do with a bit more crew dialogue. It could be possible through dlc, no?
http://social.bioware.com/group/1763/
Oh, btw since we met our last aim of getting to page 30 before the week ended, I now increase that to 40. A challenge but entirely possible if we keep going at the rate we have been going at so far!
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I think I was working on about 3 of em. I didn't close the deal on any of them though.sunnyfunny wrote...
did you close the deal with Tali?
edit: I may have just forgotten it.
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I think that on the forums here at least, you will find broad support for more dialog.Whatcote Park wrote...
I think all in all, we need more dialogue.
Support this link and group, as I think me2 could do with a bit more crew dialogue. It could be possible through dlc, no?
http://social.bioware.com/group/1763/
Oh, btw since we met our last aim of getting to page 30 before the week ended, I now increase that to 40. A challenge but entirely possible if we keep going at the rate we have been going at so far!
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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 06:08
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I vastly prefer Samara over Liara. I know Samara acts colder and has more experiences, but she just strikes me as a much more rich character. Hundreds of years of adventures and stories to share, a tragic past with a broken family, and the self-confidence and independence to not just jump into Shepard's pants... even if she herself admits she wouldn't mind. She successfully broke the mold of Asari being the equivalent of Dittos in Pokemon.... they can just mate with anything.
I'd be disappointed if she disappeared for ME3. As great as she was, it felt like we just scratched the surface of her inner personality... which is surprising considering ME2 covers practically her entire reasoning for being a justicar, her history and ties with Morinth, and a lot of other very intimate parts of her life.
I'd be disappointed if she disappeared for ME3. As great as she was, it felt like we just scratched the surface of her inner personality... which is surprising considering ME2 covers practically her entire reasoning for being a justicar, her history and ties with Morinth, and a lot of other very intimate parts of her life.
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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 06:14
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Garlador wrote...
I vastly prefer Samara over Liara. I know Samara acts colder and has more experiences, but she just strikes me as a much more rich character. Hundreds of years of adventures and stories to share, a tragic past with a broken family, and the self-confidence and independence to not just jump into Shepard's pants... even if she herself admits she wouldn't mind. She successfully broke the mold of Asari being the equivalent of Dittos in Pokemon.... they can just mate with anything.
I'd be disappointed if she disappeared for ME3. As great as she was, it felt like we just scratched the surface of her inner personality... which is surprising considering ME2 covers practically her entire reasoning for being a justicar, her history and ties with Morinth, and a lot of other very intimate parts of her life.
I completely agree, I really feel like there is so much more to explore with Samara. I think the reason why people either love her or ignore her is that she is not readily emotional or eager to tell everything about herself. To those who love her, they were patient and were able to glean a really interesting character from her, to those who do not like her, I think they never gave her a chance to show anything but her cold exterior; she's stoic I'd say.
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I completely agree, I really feel like there is so much more to explore with Samara. I think the reason why people either love her or ignore her is that she is not readily emotional or eager to tell everything about herself. To those who love her, they were patient and were able to glean a really interesting character from her, to those who do not like her, I think they never gave her a chance to show anything but her cold exterior; she's stoic I'd say.
It's the same phenomenon with Jack, as far as people immediately writing her off goes. Bioware actually advertised Jack as "The Psychopath". Psychopaths are unable to show empathy. Jack has empathy, you just have to earn her trust, and get to know her. Most people didn't, and that's the problem. They saw Samara, and immediately thought "self-righteous Space Paladin". Their loss, though - Samara is a superb character, and Jack is a potentially-cliché character told well.
As for preferring Samara over Liara as a love interest, I don't think of Samara romantically, for the reasons I gave before. Someone has to honor her "bro" status.
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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 06:38
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Are you talking about when Shepard asks her about romance? She says something to the effect that although she appreciates the gester that she is not interested in it with the way her life has unfolded (not verbatum of course). Other than that I didn't notice any other pursuing on Shep's part.7Makaveli wrote...
Yea I didn't mean to say other romances aren't worthwhile, I romance Liara (love the Asari's) its just this one case is where you see a rare side of Shepard actively pursuing someone, and you get more characterization of Shepard than the other person.
"Your inquiry is most welcome"
It's such an understated way of admitting the interest is mutual without actually encouraging Shepard to pursue what Samara considers too complicated a romance... How can anyone remain indifferent?
I rather think that Samara is not "afraid" of having a 4th AY daughter, but is prudently abstaining and would consider it unfair to bond with Shepard, thus denying him the possibility of ever raising a family. If "fear" of having an AY was what she really felt, she'd probably have stopped after the second one was born.
A clarification for everyone: Samara herself is a "pureblood", but I do not remember reading anything about her mate(s). The codex doesn't say AY are "pureblood" themselves, only that AY usually have pureblood mothers. We must therefore assume that Samara would not risk having a 4th AY daughter with Shepard, as being human would not reduce the risk.
As a best friend or soulmate, it's definitely a character worthy of ME3.
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"Your inquiry is not unwelcome"
It's such an understated way of admitting the interest is mutual without actually encouraging Shepard to pursue what Samara considers too complicated a romance... How can anyone remain indifferent?
I rather think that Samara is not "afraid" of having a 4th AY daughter, but is prudently abstaining and would consider it unfair to bond with Shepard, thus denying him the possibility of ever raising a family. If "fear" of having an AY was what she really felt, she'd probably have stopped after the second one was born.
A clarification for everyone: Samara herself is a "pureblood", but I do not remember reading anything about her mate(s). The codex doesn't say AY are "pureblood" themselves, only that AY usually have pureblood mothers. We must therefore assume that Samara would not risk having a 4th AY daughter with Shepard, as being human would not reduce the risk.
As a best friend or soulmate, it's definitely a character worthy of ME3.
"Samara, a pureblood herself, states that the condition is as old as the asari species, and that it appears much more frequently in the daughters of purebloods." ("Ardat-Yakshi" entry, ME Wiki)
An Asari from an Asari-Asari pairing is a Pureblood. It refers to the product of an Asari-Asari pairing. I could have sworn that Samara told me that her partner was an Asari.
The chance of an Asari who carries the AY-gene having an AY+ child with a non-Asari is greatly reduced, but even if it is mathematically insignificant, Samara probably wouldn't want to risk it, as you said.
EDIT: "Samara left her mercenary career after that and slowed down, eventually finding stability with an asari mate and raising a family." ("Samara" entry, ME Wiki)
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Yeah, that is the way that I look at her. An allie that you trust and can tell her anything. She has great wisdom and maturity. Romance wise, she feels almost out of Shep's league so to speak. I just think it is out of Shep's character to have her as an LI, but I understand those that want it though. She is the most complex squadmate in the game IMO. I liked it when she told me that if I ever needed help in the future that I could call for her and she would come.Flamewielder wrote...
As a best friend or soulmate, it's definitely a character worthy of ME3.
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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 06:50
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I absolutely love everything about that line when you first ask her about relationships. Its a touch of flirty, classy, innocent, and respectable. It was at that point I really was taken by her charm.
I'm under the impression that she is actually near 1000 years old instead of 600. I don't think its specifically mentioned but its implied isn't it?
I'm under the impression that she is actually near 1000 years old instead of 600. I don't think its specifically mentioned but its implied isn't it?
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7Makaveli wrote...
I absolutely love everything about that line when you first ask her about relationships. Its a touch of flirty, classy, innocent, and respectable. It was at that point I really was taken by her charm.
I'm under the impression that she is actually near 1000 years old instead of 600. I don't think its specifically mentioned but its implied isn't it?
She tells the player that she's nearly 1000. I have 900 in my head, but the ME2 website has 600 for her age.
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Posté 26 mars 2010 - 06:57
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"(...) it appears much more frequently in the daughters of purebloods."yorkj86 wrote...
"Samara, a pureblood herself, states that the condition is as old as the asari species, and that it appears much more frequently in the daughters of purebloods." ("Ardat-Yakshi" entry, ME Wiki)
An Asari from an Asari-Asari pairing is a Pureblood. It refers to the product of an Asari-Asari pairing.
A sentence you could interpret in two ways. Does is appear more frequently in the ofspring of an Asari-Asari pairing, or does is appear more frequently in the daughters of purebloods in general? The latter would mean that the pairing doesn't matter, the mother being pureblood is already enough to increase the risk.
On a side note: does an Asari-Asari pairing always result in a pureblood daughter? I'm no expert on Asari biology, but if the father has mixed genes, wouldn't that mean those mixed genes would be used to furder scramble the mothers genes and eventually result in a daugther who has mixed genes as well? Or is it simply the lack of alien DNA (scrambled genes or not, there isn't actual alien DNA present in a 'mixed' Asari) involved in the pairing that would produce a pureblood daughter?
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Yes, I realize I wrote "reduce the risk" when in fact I meant "eliminate the risk".yorkj86 wrote...
Flamewielder wrote...
A clarification for everyone: Samara herself is a "pureblood", but I do not remember reading anything about her mate(s). The codex doesn't say AY are "pureblood" themselves, only that AY usually have pureblood mothers. We must therefore assume that Samara would not risk having a 4th AY daughter with Shepard, as being human would not reduce the risk.
"Samara, a pureblood herself, states that the condition is as old as the asari species, and that it appears much more frequently in the daughters of purebloods." ("Ardat-Yakshi" entry, ME Wiki)
An Asari from an Asari-Asari pairing is a Pureblood. It refers to the product of an Asari-Asari pairing. I could have sworn that Samara told me that her partner was an Asari.
The chance of an Asari who carries the AY-gene having an AY+ child with a non-Asari is greatly reduced, but even if it is mathematically insignificant, Samara probably wouldn't want to risk it, as you said.
I rather wonder who/what species Samara's mate(s) where and how much of Morinth's personality was inherited from her "father". Aethyta displays an obvious krogan directness and practicality, which many people obviously sympathize with. Most Turians appear to value duty fairly highly and I wonder if/how this would reflect in an asari daughter... although we probably shouldn't generalize or oversimplify it.
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Rikketik and Flamewielder:
Thinking too much about Asari genetics will give you a headache. Not enough information exists, and it essentially revolves around speculating about speculation about speculation, and so on. The whole process is pretty much just "It's magic, I don't have to explain anything."
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No one knows how much is inherited from the "father" because all of the available information is so vague. People might think that the Asari can pass on the personality of the "father", but I think that's simply a matter of the "father" influencing the child just by raising it. A Krogan "father" raises an Asari child to have Krogan values; "I don't take **** from no one", thus the bartender on Illium.
In any case, I've been in dozens of discussions about Asari genetics, and they all boil down to everyone conceding "We know practically nothing. I doubt even Bioware knows what's going on."
Thinking too much about Asari genetics will give you a headache. Not enough information exists, and it essentially revolves around speculating about speculation about speculation, and so on. The whole process is pretty much just "It's magic, I don't have to explain anything."
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No one knows how much is inherited from the "father" because all of the available information is so vague. People might think that the Asari can pass on the personality of the "father", but I think that's simply a matter of the "father" influencing the child just by raising it. A Krogan "father" raises an Asari child to have Krogan values; "I don't take **** from no one", thus the bartender on Illium.
In any case, I've been in dozens of discussions about Asari genetics, and they all boil down to everyone conceding "We know practically nothing. I doubt even Bioware knows what's going on."
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I think it captures the essence of her character. It was actually one of these magical moments when I paused and thought: "wow..."7Makaveli wrote...
I absolutely love everything about that line when you first ask her about relationships. Its a touch of flirty, classy, innocent, and respectable. It was at that point I really was taken by her charm.
BW's writing staff really outdid themselves with Samara... Beautiful!
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I just have a quick question, is it possible to speak with her alot and then choose the "Ionlywanttobefriendschoice" and still have a romance with Liara?
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I just have a quick question, is it possible to speak with her alot and then choose the "Ionlywanttobefriendschoice" and still have a romance with Liara?
It doesn't turn your ME1 love-interest's portrait face-down on your desk, that's all we know. It doesn't change any flags when viewing the save-file in a save-file-editor, either, but Bioware might be tracking it anyway.
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I'd be confused if there was no reaction to Shepard trying to romance her in ME3, even if the reaction was from Samara alone.
Then again, BW might just say "She's just that good at hiding emotions." *dusts off hands* REALLY? *mutter*
Then again, BW might just say "She's just that good at hiding emotions." *dusts off hands* REALLY? *mutter*
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Yeah, you're probably right. Still, it's an interesting subject.yorkj86 wrote...
In any case, I've been in dozens of discussions about Asari genetics, and they all boil down to everyone conceding "We know practically nothing. I doubt even Bioware knows what's going on."
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yorkj86 wrote...
7Makaveli wrote...
I absolutely love everything about that line when you first ask her about relationships. Its a touch of flirty, classy, innocent, and respectable. It was at that point I really was taken by her charm.
I'm under the impression that she is actually near 1000 years old instead of 600. I don't think its specifically mentioned but its implied isn't it?
She tells the player that she's nearly 1000. I have 900 in my head, but the ME2 website has 600 for her age.
IIRC, she says she has a few centuries to live with thought of having murdered her daughter. How many centuries that is, is up in the air, it'd be nice if BW would clarify her age like they have with Mordin.
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DirtyVagrant wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
7Makaveli wrote...
I absolutely love everything about that line when you first ask her about relationships. Its a touch of flirty, classy, innocent, and respectable. It was at that point I really was taken by her charm.
I'm under the impression that she is actually near 1000 years old instead of 600. I don't think its specifically mentioned but its implied isn't it?
She tells the player that she's nearly 1000. I have 900 in my head, but the ME2 website has 600 for her age.
IIRC, she says she has a few centuries to live with thought of having murdered her daughter. How many centuries that is, is up in the air, it'd be nice if BW would clarify her age like they have with Mordin.
Either way, it's likely that Samara was alive on Thessia or wherever else when humans were still sailing around the oceans in wood ships. It's amazing to think about all of the things she's seen during her lifetime.
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